Kevin Samuels Discussion Thread

[thekingsmen]

How Seattle wound up with a ‘street czar’ after CHOP and the George Floyd protests

 

[CarmelBarbie]

Exactly.

And isn't that crazy?

White men killed over a billion people, had wars on land and sea, and enslaved populations to build empires for their women..... and white women don't even respect them.

Thats why that whole argument about "women will submit to success" is bullshyt to me

Women submit because they choose to submit.... success or wealth means nothing.

Women will submit to a broke dude

I think it’s complicated too—because those women will submit and then get them mad enough and they’ll throw the fact that he’s broke in his face. Women will generally tolerate more from a man she’s attracted to or that has the resources to provide the lifestyle she wants, or a man who has the clout/edge/stands out, but that doesn’t mean she’ll respect him.

Generally speaking, women respect the men they admire-the men that can teach them, the man that provides experiences they ever had, the men that they learn from. They also respect men who are masculine—men who are leaders.

But on the same hand if that woman has more than you, (whether it’s she makes more money or your nerdy and she’s beautiful, etc) it can get a bit more complicated especially as far as respect goes, because when she gets in her emotions she’ll assess you based on what she feels she has a leg up on compared to you. That’s on of the challenges I see in today’s dating market. A lot of women have casual sex with men who look better than the men who actually want to settle down with them. She can’t get wet for the man she settles down with, the way she could with the man who only wanted to fukk her. She’ll think to herself “I’ve gotten better looking men then you,” “I’ve had better sex than with you”.

And with more women in the workforce making money these days, even the ones who get with men who make less—it will always be in the back of her mind. At some point she’s going to be situation where she’s assessing how much he makes compared to her and feeling some type of way about it.

Our society is not really setup for those traditional relationships (the way they used to be) anymore these days, but at the same time the relationships of “today” in some ways work against the natural roles of women and men, which could be why there’s so much frustration.

 

[Wildhundreds]

I think it’s complicated too—because those women will submit and then get them mad enough and they’ll throw the fact that he’s broke in his face. Women will generally tolerate more from a man she’s attracted to or that has the resources to provide the lifestyle she wants, or a man who has the clout/edge/stands out, but that doesn’t mean she’ll respect him.

Generally speaking, women respect the men they admire-the men that can teach them, the man that provides experiences they ever had, the men that they learn from. They also respect men who are masculine—men who are leaders.

But on the same hand if that woman has more than you, (whether it’s she makes more money or your nerdy and she’s beautiful, etc) it can get a bit more complicated especially as far as respect goes, because when she gets in her emotions she’ll assess you based on what she feels she has a leg up on compared to you. That’s on of the challenges I see in today’s dating market. A lot of women have casual sex with men who look better than the men who actually want to settle down with them. She can’t get wet for the man she settles down with, the way she could with the man who only wanted to fukk her. She’ll think to herself “I’ve gotten better looking men then you,” “I’ve had better sex than with you”.

And with more women in the workforce making money these days, even the ones who get with men who make less—it will always be in the back of her mind. At some point she’s going to be situation where she’s assessing how much he makes compared to her and feeling some type of way about it.

Our society is not really setup for those traditional relationships (the way they used to be) anymore these days, but at the same time the relationships of “today” in some ways work against the natural roles of women and men, which could be why there’s so much frustration.

Sounds like everyone's values are out of order..

Do people honestly know what they want from a relationship now days, and why?

 

[CarmelBarbie]

Sounds like everyone's values are out of order..

Do people honestly know what they want from a relationship now days, and why?

I think these issues are a reflection of our society. I just read a study the other day that said people have less friends than they used to. Yet we’re in an era where you have access to so many people through social media—arguably there’s more opportunity to make a connection, and yet people are lonely. We’re in an era where casual sex and situationships are prevalent and yet there are studies saying young people are having less sex. Women and men are marrying less. People are getting into relationships for the first time later in life. There are more incels and femcels. And despite the fact that men and women are different there is an agenda right now to blur those lines.

It’s complex IMO and I honestly think things will get worse before they get better. But I do think that eventually things will work themselves out.

 

[Voice of Reason]

A lot of white women can’t stand white men. But because of how marriage is valued in their communities, they will do the most to get married even if it’s to men they don’t even really respect or like. Just pay a visit to Reddit dead bedrooms. They are the queens of the finesse—they will do everything right to get the ring, do everything in the beginning of the marriage to get little Billy bob and sue, and right after they pop out those two babies, they dry up and barely have sex with their husbands. or they cheat with Zach, the 16 year old the teach at the school they work at. I personally believe there are more white incels than black incels. I also think that some of the issues we’re seeing in our community will eventually hit those other communities too. There will be a lot of single men and women in the future, and less marriages.

True but black women perpetuate all the negative shyt that we see in black men.


A lot of black women coddle black boys and raise them to be undisciplined, impulsive, and short sighted.


Of course they don't value marriage if they never saw their mom in a healthy mature relationship.

 

[NO-BadAzz]

I think these issues are a reflection of our society. I just read a study the other day that said people have less friends than they used to. Yet we’re in an era where you have access to so many people through social media—arguably there’s more opportunity to make a connection, and yet people are lonely. We’re in an era where casual sex and situationships are prevalent and yet there are studies saying young people are having less sex. Women and men are marrying less. People are getting into relationships for the first time later in life. There are more incels and femcels. And despite the fact that men and women are different there is an agenda right now to blur those lines.

It’s complex IMO and I honestly think things will get worse before they get better. But I do think that eventually things will work themselves out.

So true, I hate to bring stories into play but I actually was speaking with a lady at a function in Dallas, she was with her friend, and I thought they were homies upon meeting them, I was the camera dude, they asked me to take a picture of them, they hugging and shyt, so I'm thinking they are cool and whatnot

I sit down, and asked how long they've been friends, They literally had just met, met off Hinge or the Bumble app. The girl literally swiped right or left to match with the other girl. Me being me, I was thinking maybe that they were gay or some shyt, nope, they just met to meet up to become friends. The function was the meeting place where they would link up.

I was like folks are doing this shyt

What the hell is going on out here. Folks are that lonely to have to make friends over apps

Edit - Camera dude meaning they asked me to take a picture of them.

Not the camera dude that's taking pictures at functions, no knock on them dudes/gals

 

[CarmelBarbie]

True but black women perpetuate all the negative shyt that we see in black men.


A lot of black women coddle black boys and raise them to be undisciplined, impulsive, and short sighted.


Of course they don't value marriage if they never saw their mom in a healthy mature relationship.

More actively involved dads are needed in the homes. It’s just not in a woman’s nature to have the masculine energy needed to raise a boy into a man. I don’t have a daughter so I can’t speak to that experience but I do have a son and I see him as my baby. He’s 9 so he’s far from a baby but when I look at him that’s what I see. When his dad sees him, he sees the man he wants him to become, so that’s what he focuses on.

a lot of these women don’t know how to have healthy relationships anymore than the men do. The women are growing up without fathers in the home, so how can they model what wasn’t modeled for them? It’s a complex situation at this point because neither bm or bw in mass are being raised to value marriage or having children in wedlock.

I think the situation is too far gone at this point. What is good is that the teenage pregnancy rate is going down. The OOW rate for bw is slowly going down too. I honestly believe a lot of black people need therapy and parenting classes. That shyt needs to be mandatory.

 

[CarmelBarbie]

So true, I hate to bring stories into play but I actually was speaking with a lady at a function in Dallas, she was with her friend, and I thought they were homies upon meeting them, I was the camera dude, they asked me to take a picture of them, they hugging and shyt, so I'm thinking they are cool and whatnot

I sit down, and asked how long they've been friends, They literally had just met, met off Hinge or the Bumble app. The girl literally swiped right or left to match with the other girl. Me being me, I was thinking maybe that they were gay or some shyt, nope, they just met to meet up to become friends. The function was the meeting place where they would link up.

I was like folks are doing this shyt

What the hell is going on out here. Folks are that lonely to have to make friends over apps

I mean people aren’t being taught social skills—like how to interact and make connections with other people offline. Back when I was growing up, you made friends through in person interactions. But if all your doing is staying glued on the phone, or your computer, taking pictures and trying to find the right angles, your missing those opportunities to connect with other people.

 

[Voice of Reason]

More actively involved dads are needed in the homes. It’s just not in a woman’s nature to have the masculine energy needed to raise a boy into a man. I don’t have a daughter so I can’t speak to that experience but I do have a son and I see him as my baby. He’s 9 so he’s far from a baby but when I look at him that’s what I see. When his dad sees him, he sees the man he wants him to become, so that’s what he focuses on.

a lot of these women don’t know how to have healthy relationships anymore than the men do. The women are growing up without fathers in the home, so how can they model what wasn’t modeled for them? It’s a complex situation at this point because neither bm or bw in mass are being raised to value marriage or having children in wedlock.

I think the situation is too far gone at this point. What is good is that the teenage pregnancy rate is going down. The OOW rate for bw is slowly going down too. I honestly believe a lot of black people need therapy and parenting classes. That shyt needs to be mandatory.

True.




And I also think we low key need two year mandatory military service after people turn 18.

 

[CarmelBarbie]

True.




And I also think we low key need two year mandatory military service after people turn 18.

what do you see as the benefit to that. I kind of feel like fukk this country for all they’ve done to us, but at the same time, I’ve been told that the military does give you discipline and structure and that might be needed especially for boys who’ve been coddled.

 

[Voice of Reason]

what do you see as the benefit to that. I kind of feel like fukk this country for all they’ve done to us, but at the same time, I’ve been told that the military does give you discipline and structure and that might be needed especially for boys who’ve been coddled.

I understand what you are saying but I think it could benefit kids that don't have any support system.

 

[The M.I.C.]

As long as the men of our community blame our women for most of the problems in our community we will not be taken seriously as leaders in our own community.

I've watched this thread for a while. There is very little accountability taken for the role bm have played in the state of our community. The fact that KS is lauded as some sort of guiding light and grown men are calling a man they've never met "godfather" is troubling. Most of the time there is a deflection to the racism of dominant society or to women not being on the same page with us in here. Even though bm marry out at a higher rate, and most of bw still want bm. That would be a valid claim except our grandfathers, great grandfathers, etc. all managed to out perform the current generation despite higher legal and physical discrimination and violence. Quality leaders hold themselves accountable first and work to fix problems before point the finger. Alot of so called men sound entitled. I dont hear anything in here about men having sex irresponsibly, I don't hear anything about how much of our entertainment (bm dominated) espouses messages surrounding debauchery and violence, I don't hear anything in here about the lack of a desire to be physically fit in our community when it isn't tied to professional sports, I dont hear anything about what we are doing to fix our communities and culture as men who are supposed to be leaders. Alot of yall want someone to follow you but you don't want the burden of leadership.

What kind of King blames the queen for all the problems of his kingdom?

Too many men in here are fat, barely have a career, no 5/10/15 year plan, no mentors, have a porn addiction, weak social skills, and are addicted to entertainment but want a fit, feminine, cooperative woman that will listen to them. Many of you couldn't lead your ass to a toilet if someone gave you a road map but expect someone else to follow you.

Shxts ridiculous.

Long ass post full of bullshyt.

 

[Easy-E]

I've watched this thread for a while. There is very little accountability taken for the role bm have played in the state of our community. The fact that KS is lauded as some sort of guiding light and grown men are calling a man they've never met "godfather" is troubling.

You just admitted to the bolded being cap.

Most of this thread is challenging KS views, wondering when he's gonna address men, etc.

Only time he's been called GF on here was shyt.

Just say you think he's gay, hates black women, etc, and KIM



Everyone blames black men for the state of us

 

[Treblemaka]

You just admitted to the bolded being cap.

Most of this thread is challenging KS views, wondering when he's gonna address men, etc.

Only time he's been called GF on here was shyt.

Just say you think he's gay, hates black women, etc, and KIM



Everyone blames black men for the state of us

Black men should be leaders in our communities. Leaders typically get blamed first for the state of affairs in the realms they lead, and they should. You can't want to be the King and also abscond responsibility and expect anyone to follow you. I believe that only children do not hold the majority of responsibility for their actions.

Most of this thread is discussing what he said on the show and the delusion of some of his callers

I dont think he's gay or hates black women.

Your assumptions of some of my stances are unfounded.

 

[Vilify]

The girl I'm dating just asked for my thoughts on Kevin Samuels. I don't know if it's a trap so I gave a safe answer. I said he's interesting.