Low key, DMX music after ....And then there was x aged TERRIBLY

[spliz]

Any nikka that argues that sales=quality doesn’t deserve any attention in a hip hop discussion. I mean it’s even more retarded even by their dumb ass standards when both projects are extremely successful.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

Any nikka that argues that sales=quality doesn’t deserve any attention in a hip hop discussion. I mean it’s even more retarded even by their dumb ass standards when both projects are extremely successful.

No one is doing that though. Step up your reading ability

 

[julessshmp]

The 4th album was literally the end really... come at me brehs...

its A shame but i agree...

 

[I love Latina women]

DMX is overrated.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

1
4. He was all over the place,but you must deliver to become THEE MAN,RR anthem,delivered.
For contrast i'll give you an example of someone not delivering
Lil wayne.
Many people including myself,thought he was gon be that nikka.

When it came time for his solo all he had was Tha Block Is Hot and Respect US.
Neither were monster hits and he settled for meh success and took years to become THEE MAN.

are you seriously comparing lil wayne to DMX??

and for the record, tha block is hot(the song) was indeed an IT record. arguably his most legendary single to this day, in regards to hip-hop.
the problem is, his album was half-ass.
plus, like I said, wayne is a bad comparison anyway, seeing that he wasn't taken seriously.

1.Snoop was definitely in trouble due to deathrow drama.
But career wise,his most recent album up to that point did 420k the first week and sold 2mil. If he stepped into a room with dmx in 1998 (prior to rr anthem) he'd definitely was the bigger star. Dmx was doing more at the time but not enough to put him on snoop's level

2.At the top of 98' busta had just dropped two albums in early 96/late 97' that went gold and plat. Had classic hits. Was featured on mase album,puffy's,missy's. But X was bigger cause of...?

3.That's part of silkk's build up,when i was first introduced to him. But if you wanna hate on that,we'll just go directly to the fact that charge it to the game did 300k out the gate in feb 98'. While X only did 250K in his first week in may. (so that;s that on that)

4.Jay had reasonable doubt and In my lifetime vol1 plus the features,he was bigger.

5.How did i get schooled? And i agree jay was on bad boy's coat tails

6.And it's nonsense.

You could dame's more grimy east coast boredom,unsuccessful beat making . And tim's more dope,got this shyt popping,everybody vibing beat making.
Can he see tim,album for album on the beats,FUKK NO!
Disagree,let me know

1.) BE SMART SON
1A.) of course doggfather sold out the gate. it was the long-awaited follow-up to doggystyle. but the reaction to the album was horrendous.
1B.) you could put snoop in a room with 99% of current rappers right now in 2017, and he would be more noticeable. does that mean that snoop is hot in 2017 as well?

2/3.) I'm not talking about the top of '98. I'm talking about by the time DMX album dropped.
2.) are you really serious with this busta rhymes stuff?
3.) lol @ me hating on silkk the shocker. I'm one of his biggest fans on this board.

4.) reasonable doubt was 2 years old at this point. and volume 1 was a serious disappointment and was another one of the bigger sophomore slumps of the latter part of the '90s.

5.) cmon man

6,) name me a standout rap album produced by timbaland. name me a rap artist that built their career with his production.

IDAHIH has the tenth highest first week sales of rap albums in 98',but let delusional nikkas tell it,he was the hottest nikka on earth before RR anthem blew. NAW
Tical 2000 did 400K the first week
I guess x was bigger than him regardless too,lol. RR anthem made that nikka like i said. Without it he'd been a small fry and shiny suits would have remained in power. Lox stay on Badboy. RR dont get the interscope deal. Nothing

tical 2000 = another album that sold because of the artists' name carrying over from mid-90s accomplishments.
youre too focued on numbers, and what makes it worse, is that youre not willing to put any perspective behind them. that's really the problem here.

how did RR Anthem make X when he was already the man before the video even dropped?
and the bad boy/shiney suits ish was already over once "get at me dog" and the album dropped.

like I said, RR Anthem made him a crossover superstar, but in hip-hop, he was already the IT rapper.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Pac
Hov
Fab

lol. you really didn't read my post, did you?

I already explained jay-z.
fab was never on that level. I already went into detail about rappers like him,.
2pac is a weird case. the 1st half of his career wasn't on the level. he had his run on the back-end and then died before he fell back off. you'd have a point if pac was blazing out the gate, but he wasn't.

Nah, I can't put P on the level of Jay in 1998. Master P was huge and I was definitely a fan of his '98, but most of his output in '98 was due to No Limit releasing like 30 albums that year. I hated hearing the Annie sample and I thought it was cool track at first, but it got old quick after it got played nearly every hour. Then there was "Can I Get A..." and "Money Ain't A Thang". I also remember hearing "It's Alright". Then the year closed with "Money, Cash, Hoes" and the remix in regard to Jay. With X, he was the new "it" artist. He was on Cube's remix to "We Be Clubbin", The Lox's "Money, Power, Respect", JD had him on his album. He was on Jay's album.

Nah, Lauryn Hill crossed over into the Pop star lane, but "Lost Ones" was huge and "Doo Wop" was a song that was inescapable. While she had the crossover appeal, she also had the bars and huge impact on Hip Hop that year which was bigger than the crossover success.

for a guy that's supposed to be from the south, you sure are always clueless about how big master p/no limit was.

master p was bigger than jay-z in '98.
you can say jay was bigger in the last 3 months but that's just a quarter of a calendar year.

and even with DMX, i'd say DMX had the overall bigger year as a rapper, but he wasn't as big of a name/marquee act/figure as master p in '98. nobody was.
also, no limit ended bad boy's run before DMX even blew like that. things get lost in translation. DMX ended the glossy rap coming from the east coast, but that's it. DMX tends to get too much credit for other stuff.

I think this whole board knows by now, not to waste their time with you concerning the semantics over lauryn hill. I'm not even gonna bother.

i get what youre saying fam but no one sees mase as a ruff ryder

I get what you're saying, but running with a crew doesn't mean they were Ruff Ryders' artists. That's true of any crew in Hip Hop. There's a lot of artists that were running around with and doing songs with crews while they were signed with other artists. Mase and The Lox were Bad Boy artists in every way. They weren't out here shouting Ruff Ryders, wearing the gear, or rocking the charms. When you saw The Lox and Mase, they were talking about Bad Boy ("Bad Boys and we all eat together"), rocking shiny suits, rocking the baseball gear etc. Puff was all over their albums. There guys running around with and doing songs with Muder Inc. artists to the point of even have Irv produce their records, but they weren't Muder Inc. artists.

Murda Mase when he was with Children of the Corn wasn't a Ruff Ryder.

@spliz's point really got lost in translation here.

this whole thing was in response to the false idea that dmx was riding bad boy's coat-tails by doing songs with the lox & mase - which is clearly wrong.

I don't think spliz is trying to pin mase success, and the lox' initial success to ruff ryders. hes just saying that they were all crew before those bad boy deals.

X was Ruff Ryders. He had songs reppin them and they were in his videos rockin' the gear and everything. There wasn't any question that he was aRuff Ryder. Huge difference between The Lox and Mase reppin Bad Boy. When has Mase ever said he was a Ruff Ryder or even repped them. The Lox didn't do so until '99.

And it meant nothing.
They were repping badboy and rocking shiny suits. They ran over to where x was and sold even less records

actually, the LOX were all up in the DMX videos reppin the R, when they were still doing videos over on bad boy.

even the casual viewer could see the connection there.

alot of these artists were under management, producers or other artists before the situations matriculated into record labels that they would've signed to.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Mystikal was WAY bigger than dmx before ruff Ryder's anthem

he could've been on par with X but he wasn't.

popular & bigger are two different things.

I always say that for a good amount of the late '90s, mystikal was pound-for-pound, the most popular emcee across the map......and i usually draw blanks when i say that. so I'm glad yall had this DMX vs mystikal debate.

but he wasn't as big or impactful as DMX.

but yea, mystikal was a fan favorite/peoples champion. you can say he held THAT title until late '98 when ruff ryders anthem video came out, and mystikal disappointed with ghetto fabulous.

I just can’t remember a time in 98 where Silk The Shocker or Mystikal being more poppin than DMX. Lol. Before or after RR Anthem. X was being looked at as the next PAC n shyt. nikkas was actin like dude was NEEDED in the rap game. Not just wanted.

I'm not gonna say poppin but mystikal during that unpredictable/make em say ugh/it aint my fault/etc etc run was like the most genuinely popular rapper in the game thru that stretch.

outside of silkk & romeo, no limit wasn't in the business of making singular stars like that tho, which I believe is the main reason why mystikal left.

4.NEWS FLASH,them songs wasnt and still aint shyt. This nikka brought up IF YOU THINK I'M JIGGY as if people really loved that song,lmao. We'll always love you poppa aint shyt and neither is GET AT ME DOG

So you're telling me a song (that probably hadn't reached all markets by the time the album dropped) that was released a week before the album made more of an impact than months of anticipation and buzz from features, being on the No Way Out Tour, and the singles that dropped before RR Anthem.

yea. the goal-posts are being moved.

before it was, ruff ryder anthem blowing up months after the fact.

now its "ruff ryder anthem" being the reason why the album sold initially. I'm trying to figure out where ruff ryder anthem was getting all this airplay before the album dropped.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

A.are you seriously comparing lil wayne to DMX??

and for the record, tha block is hot(the song) was indeed an IT record. arguably his most legendary single to this day, in regards to hip-hop.
the problem is, his album was half-ass.
plus, like I said, wayne is a bad comparison anyway, seeing that he wasn't taken seriously.





1.) BE SMART SON
1A.) of course doggfather sold out the gate. it was the long-awaited follow-up to doggystyle. but the reaction to the album was horrendous.
1B.) you could put snoop in a room with 99% of current rappers right now in 2017, and he would be more noticeable. does that mean that snoop is hot in 2017 as well?

2/3.) I'm not talking about the top of '98. I'm talking about by the time DMX album dropped.
2.) are you really serious with this busta rhymes stuff?
3.) lol @ me hating on silkk the shocker. I'm one of his biggest fans on this board.

4.) reasonable doubt was 2 years old at this point. and volume 1 was a serious disappointment and was another one of the bigger sophomore slumps of the latter part of the '90s.

5.) cmon man

6,) name me a standout rap album produced by timbaland. name me a rap artist that built their career with his production.





7.tical 2000 = another album that sold because of the artists' name carrying over from mid-90s accomplishments.
8.youre too focued on numbers, and what makes it worse, is that youre not willing to put any perspective behind them. that's really the problem here.

9.how did RR Anthem make X when he was already the man before the video even dropped?
and the bad boy/shiney suits ish was already over once "get at me dog" and the album dropped.

10.like I said, RR Anthem made him a crossover superstar, but in hip-hop, he was already the IT rapper.

A.I'm comparing wayne's success to dmx's and rightfully so. Although i'm a much bigger fan of X,both were superstars.
X is a classic example of an artist backing up his buzz with a classic record to push him to superstar status.
Wayne is an example of a guy that had a buzz but delivered an ok single ,so he didnt become a don in hip till nearly a decade after his original buzz.

1.I am smart,very smart
1A. So... what's your point? ,no shyt
1b.If you really want to dispel the fact that snoop meant more than dmx prior to RR anthem,then you need to come with a more realistic comment than "snoop in 2017,blah blah"
If you think
"4, 3, 2, 1"
(LL Cool J featuring Canibus, DMX, Method Man and Redman)
"Money, Power & Respect"
(The Lox featuring DMX and Lil' Kim)
"Shut 'em Down"
(Onyx featuring DMX)
"24 Hrs. to Live"[59]
"We Be Clubbin'" (Clark World Remix)[60]


"Get at Me Dog"
(featuring Sheek Louch)
"Stop Being Greedy"


Put him ahead of
"Deep Cover"
(Dr. Dre featuring Snoop Doggy Dogg)
"Nuthin' but a 'G' Thang"
(Dr. Dre featuring Snoop Doggy Dogg)
"fukk wit Dre Day (And Everybody's Celebratin')"
(Dr. Dre featuring Snoop Doggy Dogg)
"What's My Name?"
"Gin and Juice"
"Doggy Dogg World"
(featuring Tha Dogg Pound and The Dramatics)

"Afro Puffs"
(The Lady of Rage featuring Snoop Doggy Dogg)
"What Would You Do"
(Tha Dogg Pound featuring Snoop Doggy Dogg and Jewell)
"New York, New York"
(Tha Dogg Pound featuring Snoop Doggy Dogg)
"2 of Amerikaz Most Wanted"
(2Pac featuring Snoop Doggy Dogg)
"Never Leave Me Alone"
(Nate Dogg featuring Snoop Dogg)
"Afro Puffs"
(The Lady of Rage featuring Snoop Doggy Dogg)
"What Would You Do"
(Tha Dogg Pound featuring Snoop Doggy Dogg and Jewell)
"New York, New York"
(Tha Dogg Pound featuring Snoop Doggy Dogg)
"The Day the nikkaz Took Over"[208]
"Deeez Nuuuts"[208]
"Lil' Ghetto Boy"[208]
"A nikka Witta Gun"[208]
"Rat-Tat-Tat-Tat"[208]
"Stranded on Death Row"[208]
"bytches Ain't shyt"[208]
"Big Pimpin'"[210]
"Dogg Pound 4 Life"[210]
"Smooth"[212]
"If We All Fuc"[212]
"Some Bomb Azz p*ssy"[212]
"All About U"[214]
"Out the Moon (Boom, Boom, Boom)"[216]

"2 of Amerikaz Most Wanted"
(2Pac featuring Snoop Doggy Dogg)
"Snoop's Upside Ya Head"
(featuring Charlie Wilson)
"Wanted Dead or Alive"
(with 2Pac)
"Vapors"


"Never Leave Me Alone"
(Nate Dogg featuring Snoop Dogg)
"Midnight Love"
(featuring Daz Dillinger and Raphael Saadiq)


You're just foolin. I know there was time in between all this,but you're talking a guy who played a major role in 5 classics
Chronic,doggystyle,above the rim,murder was the case,dogg food and headed a dynasty that fell only a year and a half prior.
Without RR anthem,dmx NEVER reaches snoop's level.

2/3 I'm talking before RR anthem hit.

4.So a recent classic,plus a good album,plus features on Biggie's,mase's,puffy's and lil kim's albums cant match, NO ALBUM,and a simlar amount of noteworthy features,aight

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

6,) name me a standout rap album produced by timbaland. name me a rap artist that built their career with his production.





7.tical 2000 = another album that sold because of the artists' name carrying over from mid-90s accomplishments.
youre too focued on numbers, and what makes it worse, is that youre not willing to put any perspective behind them. that's really the problem here.

8how did RR Anthem make X when he was already the man before the video even dropped?
and the bad boy/shiney suits ish was already over once "get at me dog" and the album dropped.

9.like I said, RR Anthem made him a crossover superstar, but in hip-hop, he was already the IT rapper.

6.I never made my props for timbaland,hiphop specific so naw. name some albums besides IDAHIH that dame grease produced the lion's share of,that did anything. (and we know swizz sold that album)

Aaliyah – One In A Million (US R&B/Hip Hop #2, August 27)

• 4 Page Letter (US R&B/Hip Hop #12, March 11, 1997) (Single)
• Beats For Da Streets (Intro) feat. Missy Elliott
• Came To Give Love (Outro) feat. Timbaland
• Heartbroken
• Hot Like Fire feat. Timbaland & Missy Elliott (US R&B/Hip Hop #31, September 16, 1997) (Single)
• If Your Girl Only Knew feat. Timbaland (US R&B/Hip Hop #1, August 13) (Single)
• Ladies In Da House feat. Timbaland & Missy Elliott
• Never Comin' Back
• One In A Million (US R&B/Hip Hop #1, December 10) (Single)

Ginuwine - Ginuwine... The Bachelor (US R&B/Hip Hop #14, October 8)

• 550 What feat. Timbaland
• Best Damn Party feat. Magoo & Nikki (Interlude)
• G Thang feat. Missy Elliott, Timbaland & Magoo
• Ginuwine 4 Ur Mind feat. Timbaland
• Hello
• Holler feat. Nikki (UK #13, December 2, 1997) (Single)
• Holler feat. Timbaland (Interlude)
• I'll Do Anything, I'm Sorry feat. Timbaland & Missy Elliott
• I'm Rollin' feat. Timbaland (Interlude)
• Intro (The Bachelor) feat. Timbaland
• Lonely Daze
• Only Real G's (Interlude)
• Only When Ur Lonely (Single)
• Only When Ur Lonely (Interlude)
• Outro
• Pony (US R&B/Hip Hop #1, August 20) (Single)
• Tell Me Do U Wanna (UK #16, March 25, 1997) (Single)
• Tell Me U Need Me (Interlude)
• When Doves Cry feat. Timbaland (US Top 40 #16, July 25, 1997) (Single)
• Where Is Ginuwine feat. Timbaland (Interlude)
• World Is So Cold
• World Is So Cold (Interlude)

Missy Elliott - Supa Dupa Fly (US R&B/Hip Hop #1, July 15)

• Busta's Intro feat. Busta Rhymes
• Hit 'Em Wit Da Hee feat. Lil' Kim & Mocha (UK #25, April 3, 1998) (Single)
• Sock It 2 Me feat. Da Brat (US R&B/Hip Hop #3, September 21) (Single)
• The Rain (Supa Dupa Fly) feat. Timbaland (US R&B/Hip Hop #4, May 20) (Single)
• Beep Me 911 feat. 702, Timbaland & Magoo (US R&B/Hip Hop #13, March 23, 1998) (Single)
• They Don't Wanna fukk Wit Me feat. Timbaland
• Pass Da Blunt feat. Timbaland
• Bite Our Style (Interlude)
• Friendly Skies feat. Ginuwine
• Best Friends feat. Aaliyah
• Don't Be Comin' (In My Face)
• Izzy Izzy Ahh
• Why You Hurt Me
• I'm Talkin'
• Gettaway feat. Space & Nicole Wray
• Busta's Outro feat. Busta Rhymes

Timbaland & Magoo - Welcome To Our World (US R&B/Hip Hop #33, October 28)

1. Beep Beep feat. Missy Elliott
2. Feel It
3. Up Jumps Da' Boogie feat. Aaliyah & Missy Elliott (US Hot Rap #1, July 11) (Single)
4. Clock Strikes (US R&B/Hip Hop #24, April 14, 1998) (Single)
5. 15 After Da Hour
6. Ms. Parker feat. Love Jon (Interlude)
7. Luv 2 Luv U feat. Shaunta Montgomery & Playa (Remix)
8. Luv 2 Luv U feat. Smokey, Static & St. Nick (Single)
9. Smoke In Da Air feat. Playa
10. Intro Buddha feat. Buddah Brother, Big B & DJ Law (Interlude)
11. Peepin' My Style
12. Written' Rhymes feat. Troy Mitchell
13. Deep In Your Memory
14. Clock Strikes (Remix)
15. Sex Beat (Interlude)
16. Man Undercover feat. Aaliyah & Missy Elliott
17. Joy feat. Ginuwine, Black & Smokey
18. Up Jumps Da' Boogie feat. Missy Elliott (Remix)

Tim did more noteworthy work in 2 years than dame did in 20 years

7.Lmao,you downplay snoop's past work leading to 98',you downplay,busta,downplay jay,but give credit method man's prior accomplishments,lmao
Clown shyt

8.He wasnt thee man though,he was just buzzing. (until rr anthem hit)

9.Naw,x was not IT

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[bigbadbossup2012]

actually, the LOX were all up in the DMX videos reppin the R, when they were still doing videos over on bad boy.

even the casual viewer could see the connection there.

alot of these artists were under management, producers or other artists before the situations matriculated into record labels that they would've signed to.

Who cares,were they reppin in THEIR OWN VIDEOS?

Like i said,dmx made them comfortable,before that they were getting jiggy in shiny suits.
First they were son's of puff and lil brother's of mase then they were 'the pups"

 

[JustCKing]

6.I never made my props for timbaland,hiphop specific so naw. name some albums besides IDAHIH that dame grease produced the lion's share of,that did anything. (and we know swizz sold that album)

Aaliyah – One In A Million (US R&B/Hip Hop #2, August 27)

• 4 Page Letter (US R&B/Hip Hop #12, March 11, 1997) (Single)
• Beats For Da Streets (Intro) feat. Missy Elliott
• Came To Give Love (Outro) feat. Timbaland
• Heartbroken
• Hot Like Fire feat. Timbaland & Missy Elliott (US R&B/Hip Hop #31, September 16, 1997) (Single)
• If Your Girl Only Knew feat. Timbaland (US R&B/Hip Hop #1, August 13) (Single)
• Ladies In Da House feat. Timbaland & Missy Elliott
• Never Comin' Back
• One In A Million (US R&B/Hip Hop #1, December 10) (Single)

Ginuwine - Ginuwine... The Bachelor (US R&B/Hip Hop #14, October 8)

• 550 What feat. Timbaland
• Best Damn Party feat. Magoo & Nikki (Interlude)
• G Thang feat. Missy Elliott, Timbaland & Magoo
• Ginuwine 4 Ur Mind feat. Timbaland
• Hello
• Holler feat. Nikki (UK #13, December 2, 1997) (Single)
• Holler feat. Timbaland (Interlude)
• I'll Do Anything, I'm Sorry feat. Timbaland & Missy Elliott
• I'm Rollin' feat. Timbaland (Interlude)
• Intro (The Bachelor) feat. Timbaland
• Lonely Daze
• Only Real G's (Interlude)
• Only When Ur Lonely (Single)
• Only When Ur Lonely (Interlude)
• Outro
• Pony (US R&B/Hip Hop #1, August 20) (Single)
• Tell Me Do U Wanna (UK #16, March 25, 1997) (Single)
• Tell Me U Need Me (Interlude)
• When Doves Cry feat. Timbaland (US Top 40 #16, July 25, 1997) (Single)
• Where Is Ginuwine feat. Timbaland (Interlude)
• World Is So Cold
• World Is So Cold (Interlude)

Missy Elliott - Supa Dupa Fly (US R&B/Hip Hop #1, July 15)

• Busta's Intro feat. Busta Rhymes
• Hit 'Em Wit Da Hee feat. Lil' Kim & Mocha (UK #25, April 3, 1998) (Single)
• Sock It 2 Me feat. Da Brat (US R&B/Hip Hop #3, September 21) (Single)
• The Rain (Supa Dupa Fly) feat. Timbaland (US R&B/Hip Hop #4, May 20) (Single)
• Beep Me 911 feat. 702, Timbaland & Magoo (US R&B/Hip Hop #13, March 23, 1998) (Single)
• They Don't Wanna fukk Wit Me feat. Timbaland
• Pass Da Blunt feat. Timbaland
• Bite Our Style (Interlude)
• Friendly Skies feat. Ginuwine
• Best Friends feat. Aaliyah
• Don't Be Comin' (In My Face)
• Izzy Izzy Ahh
• Why You Hurt Me
• I'm Talkin'
• Gettaway feat. Space & Nicole Wray
• Busta's Outro feat. Busta Rhymes

Timbaland & Magoo - Welcome To Our World (US R&B/Hip Hop #33, October 28)

1. Beep Beep feat. Missy Elliott
2. Feel It
3. Up Jumps Da' Boogie feat. Aaliyah & Missy Elliott (US Hot Rap #1, July 11) (Single)
4. Clock Strikes (US R&B/Hip Hop #24, April 14, 1998) (Single)
5. 15 After Da Hour
6. Ms. Parker feat. Love Jon (Interlude)
7. Luv 2 Luv U feat. Shaunta Montgomery & Playa (Remix)
8. Luv 2 Luv U feat. Smokey, Static & St. Nick (Single)
9. Smoke In Da Air feat. Playa
10. Intro Buddha feat. Buddah Brother, Big B & DJ Law (Interlude)
11. Peepin' My Style
12. Written' Rhymes feat. Troy Mitchell
13. Deep In Your Memory
14. Clock Strikes (Remix)
15. Sex Beat (Interlude)
16. Man Undercover feat. Aaliyah & Missy Elliott
17. Joy feat. Ginuwine, Black & Smokey
18. Up Jumps Da' Boogie feat. Missy Elliott (Remix)

Tim did more noteworthy work in 2 years than dame did in 20 years

7.Lmao,you downplay snoop's past work leading to 98',you downplay,busta,downplay jay,but give credit method man's prior accomplishments,lmao
Clown shyt

8.He wasnt thee man though,he was just buzzing. (until rr anthem hit)

9.Naw,x was not IT

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This.

Take away Aaliyah and Ginuwine's albums though. They aren't Hip Hop. Timbaland did more noteworthy work in Hip Hop than Dame and Swizz. What's even crazier is that he had two of NY's biggest requesting his production for their albums. Jay got him for Vol. 2 and four songs for Vol. 3 and continued to work with him throughout last decade and this one. Even looking at '97-'98, Timbaland had these in rotation:

Up Jumps Da Boogie
Luv 2 Luv
Clock Strikes (remix)
The Rain
Money Talks (Lil' Kim's song from the soundtrack of the same name)

 

[JustCKing]

Who cares,were they reppin in THEIR OWN VIDEOS?

Like i said,dmx made them comfortable,before that they were getting jiggy in shiny suits.
First they were son's of puff and lil brother's of mase then they were 'the pups"

DMX and Ruff Ryders rode the coat tales of Bad Boy. That much has been admitted in this thread. Before Ruff Ryders was a label, Dee and Wah managed Mase and The Lox. Mase and The Lox's careers took off under Puff on Bad Boy. They were Bad Boys when Ruff Ryders wasn't even a label. DMX was featured on key songs and albums from Bad Boy. Bad Boy artists were even on X's album. Ruff Ryders blew up on the heels of Bad Boy. They didn't end Bad Boy's era. Nobody did. Bad Boy was still making big moves in 1998. The difference is The Lox's Money, Power, Respect is the only Hip Hop album Bad Boy dropped in '98. It was nowhere near the blockbusters that No Way Out, Life After Death, or Harlem World were. That made it look like Bad Boy's run had ended, when in fact, Bad Boy was still eating off residual hits from the three monster albums they dropped in '97. Bad Boy ended '98 with sophomore efforts from their R&B stable (112, Faith, and Total).

As stated before, when The Lox and Mase signed with Bad Boy, Ruff Ryders were getting their business straight. By the time, Ruff Ryders became a functioning label, The Lox had a huge hit with "Money, Power, Respect" feat. DMX. DMX's buzz had been built spearheaded by guest spots and being on the No Way Out Tour. It was clear Mase wasn't signing with Ruff Ryders as he was successful on Bad Boy and had his own label (All Out) as a joint venture with So So Def. So, in reality, Ruff Ryders went back and picked up The Lox, made DMX top priority as he had more buzz and hype built partially off his appearances on Mase and Lox releases.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

DMX and Ruff Ryders rode the coat tales of Bad Boy. That much has been admitted in this thread. Before Ruff Ryders was a label, Dee and Wah managed Mase and The Lox. Mase and The Lox's careers took off under Puff on Bad Boy. They were Bad Boys when Ruff Ryders wasn't even a label. DMX was featured on key songs and albums from Bad Boy. Bad Boy artists were even on X's album. Ruff Ryders blew up on the heels of Bad Boy. They didn't end Bad Boy's era. Nobody did. Bad Boy was still making big moves in 1998. The difference is The Lox's Money, Power, Respect is the only Hip Hop album Bad Boy dropped in '98. It was nowhere near the blockbusters that No Way Out, Life After Death, or Harlem World were. That made it look like Bad Boy's run had ended, when in fact, Bad Boy was still eating off residual hits from the three monster albums they dropped in '97. Bad Boy ended '98 with sophomore efforts from their R&B stable (112, Faith, and Total).

As stated before, when The Lox and Mase signed with Bad Boy, Ruff Ryders were getting their business straight. By the time, Ruff Ryders became a functioning label, The Lox had a huge hit with "Money, Power, Respect" feat. DMX. DMX's buzz had been built spearheaded by guest spots and being on the No Way Out Tour. It was clear Mase wasn't signing with Ruff Ryders as he was successful on Bad Boy and had his own label (All Out) as a joint venture with So So Def. So, in reality, Ruff Ryders went back and picked up The Lox, made DMX top priority as he had more buzz and hype built partially off his appearances on Mase and Lox releases.

What's the point of all this?
The lox never had a huge hit.
That';s why they always flopped

 

[JustCKing]

What's the point of all this?
The lox never had a huge hit.
That';s why they always flopped

Point of all this is that Ruff Ryders came up off Bad Boy establishing The Lox and by extension helping X build a buzz that at the time, Ruff Ryders wasn't in a position to do.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

This.

Take away Aaliyah and Ginuwine's albums though. They aren't Hip Hop. Timbaland did more noteworthy work in Hip Hop than Dame and Swizz. What's even crazier is that he had two of NY's biggest requesting his production for their albums. Jay got him for Vol. 2 and four songs for Vol. 3 and continued to work with him throughout last decade and this one. Even looking at '97-'98, Timbaland had these in rotation:

Up Jumps Da Boogie
Luv 2 Luv
Clock Strikes (remix)
The Rain
Money Talks (Lil' Kim's song from the soundtrack of the same name)

i didnt say they were,stop skimming post.