That was my point nikka
Which is why Lupe sounds crazy with this shyt he’s talking bout
Lupe Fiasco: "Metaphors and punchlines matter....don't need to be a great lyricist to tell a story....shouldn't rely on delivery and flow"
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Which is why Lupe sounds crazy with this shyt he’s talking bout
GZA might be the epitome of it. but there are plenty of dope artists who tell stories with next level lyricism.
Lupe just never mastered this shyt. Keep kicking and pushing breh cause you aint it.
when u only get gargled by Joe buddens you know u aint hanging with the big dawgs.
That was my point nikka
Lupe is on some bullshyt. I already quoted pun multiple times in this thread. he's a lyrical rapper who Lupe can never go toe to toe with.
GZA is a story teller who is an elite lyricist. Slick rick is another 1.
Rakim came out in the 80s and pioneered this shyt and is leagues ahead of Lupe. I could say the same for Kool G Rap.
If Lupe wants to war with the Chino XLs and Canibuses go ahead.
But those guys came in the game as spitters and were battle tested.
Lupe's head is way 2 big for a guy who really don't have the credentials or experience.
You came from a wack ass era where you claim to fame is backing down Royce 5`9 on some YT video. the battle never happened.
Plus you sold out immediately and are known for crossover wack ass pop records.
He really should fall back.
edit: I forgot he apparently now spends his time doing lyrical breakdowns for CACs in college. Thats another -10.
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Bugzbunny129
All Star
Poetry has 3 parts
Emotional, literary and subtext
Literary is 1/3. Most guys do just 1. Great rappers do all 3. Lupe is more the last 2, and lacking the first.
An example is (even if these guys do multi they are known more for each)
1. Pac
2. Eminem
3. Mf doom
Lupe needs more emotional shyt i. His music. He ODd on 2 and usually, those guys dont blow up and and rappers who do that stuck in ug. Its his use of 2/3 that make him dope. Not just lyricism. Like kick push is both. Thats why its his most famous song.
Emotional, literary and subtext
Literary is 1/3. Most guys do just 1. Great rappers do all 3. Lupe is more the last 2, and lacking the first.
An example is (even if these guys do multi they are known more for each)
1. Pac
2. Eminem
3. Mf doom
Lupe needs more emotional shyt i. His music. He ODd on 2 and usually, those guys dont blow up and and rappers who do that stuck in ug. Its his use of 2/3 that make him dope. Not just lyricism. Like kick push is both. Thats why its his most famous song.
Insensitive
Superstar
Not only am I not wrong.
I 100% know where Lupe bit that style from.
This sort of "Free association" style of writing is straight from that early aughts underground Hip-Hop.
Whether you think it's trash or not is whatever, it's blatantly obvious what was the source material.
Again, y'all gotta start listening to more Hip-Hop and read the interviews of the rappers y'all like/stan.
He stays on that "progressive" tip and Aesop Rock is like the poster boy for CACs who listen to entirely
too much Prog Rock and have Rockist opinions about Hip-Hop and how it should be approached in order to be "respected".
The same opinions unironically echoed in this thread. I might add.
@Art Barr has mentioned that racism that was prevalent on those old Hip-Hop Infinity message boards
and dubious underpinnings of beliefs that fueled certain sects of "progressive" Hip-Hop.
Lupe liking Aesop Rock is on brand like Kid Cudi dikk riding Cage.
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Yeah, posting the Lupe tweet does nothing. They're similar but the way they go about rapping is entirely different. It's only the same thing if you're not used to rap music. It's like saying Earl sweatshirt is the same.
Insensitive
Superstar
They're so similar that anyone pretending that it isn't a clear Aesop Rock pastiche obviously only feels that way because Lupe is their favorite rapper.
It's like being in denial about how bad Lupe bites early aughts Jay-Z and hasn't really deviated from that at all.
Bugzbunny129
All Star
Never met stupider people than i did in college
Lupe is correct...
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
In short.
The dummies think they know everything by skim the internet folks answer.
All some biter fest bullshyt.
Of mixing common sense steals o type star metaphors and style.
slash Ajax little brother bites Nas.
homebody scared to rhyme outside label plant rapper bullshyt.
Art Barr
In titan graph with direct detailed references.
Stop listening to these label plant slash wannabe death row meets rocafella flagship below jayz rappers.
The shyt a hilarious troll joke on Nas with:
Lupe
J cole
Both are the gen one and two equivalent of jayz's mastermind idea.
Of pulling a lyor cohen coup of def jam and dame dash. While undergoing an image change in content and name by going forward.
as his nwo wrestler real name in sean carter. Using Lupe as his gw.
So jayz using lyor. was going to swerve:
The public. Using pr a srhe best or'd rapper.
Dame dash
Biggs
Rocafella
Cam
Beans
State property
Kevin Hart
Diplomats
Instead sean carter or jayz swerved both and all of rhe above.
Leaving the above parties all holding rhe blame in pr and rumored public sentiment that is impossible to change.
Till defjam
Yes that defjam..
Said ..
Wait a minute.
Why not leave them all holding the trick bag
.plus we give you back rocafella and all spoils. Plus you get to pr yourself as.
Def jam ceo
Plus jayz also distanced himself from Lupe as his gw as well. When he swerved
The public Using pr and sentiment
Dame
Lyor
1st and some 15th street
Lupe
Warner = if I remember right
Yet the story goes on.
While flying all over our head.
The general public in a paper airplane.
While jayz got the spoils and perception jn public via pr.
As rhe greatest pr'd rapper in history.
So Jay gets back to his needs a underling inferior label plant rapper bullshyt.
Of making disney record label style solo artist.
All in a Quo meets smiles and southstsr troll joke on Nas.
Using sheltered label plant rappers who never emcee'd nowhere and have no home venue. Nor standout freestyles in any grassroots venue.
To college radio level up trajectory. to wgci or their black commercial radio outlet in an urban intellectual marketplace or genre
Never seen or heard of any of these nikkaz.
Jayz be trying to flaug like they killed it somewhere and they rocked nowhere.
When these label plant eight mile lie rappers all sheltered homebodies not Cypher nowhere.
Plus needed a loan.
to get from out the underground or the internet.
While never rocking not a cot damn thing as an emcee.
Then here come all the weak ass digital fraud flaug'n accounts.
talembout somebody was good. When it was and still is a fake digital fraud eight mile digital farm lie.
Rocafella and by way of rocafella and any affiliates.
from first snd whatever used to invest in this community. Signaled by the h@cker dipset spam era and after.
I been a legend here before all that nonsense and still here.
Not to mention I already was a real headlining draw in real life devoid of the internet in 1997. That when i logged at any site. It was always thr top drawing thing in amy site I frequent as a poster. That being Daveyd.com and here only.
It lead to vip membership and thr fake ability that I never use to monetize un some fake mic geronimo meets real world obsession. With being a fake headlining star on mtv because some one paid for it via pr. Instead of earning it by being the beat or the best suppprting emcee flanking the best in the world.
You miggaz sheltered homebodies trying to tell me different when I know the real price imof grassroots fame and I still grt to enjoy a rarher civilian life. You nikkaz believe this lie of a mic geronimo real world loan dodger rapper documented life. When the word has been out to follow mad skills or capital d's rubrick on succes in life and rap for real in the real world. As fsr as pr of what success in grassroots rap is really like. Which means having a career with rap as a supplement.
You young nighaz swear you fooling somebody around here. Yet you not.
As you to sheltered to even be in a pillar in hiphop for real.
Plus think in that disconnect. People in the know are fooled.
It is not mystery..
nikkaz hide online.
Like they hid from cyphering.
The best are rhe best everywhere.
Who do need a loan.
Who did it without a loan.
Plus did without digital fraud based payola and digital web farming.
Stop believe'n all these playalistic voices. They all an offshoot of Mister big Willie the wack the unoriginal.
Got nikkaz believe they some bullshyt.
Stop falling for that jjggy sheltered loan dodger offshoot of desrh row meerts rocafella records pop star rapper.
They ain't emcee'd.
They had a classically trained androgynous pagan fashion director choreographer.
make and create them a stage show.
like that bait and switch melle mel androgynous pagan styke fsshion show bullshyt.
Featured at the end of beat street. That turbo and ozone in breakin rebuked and rebelled gainst.
At special k's classically trained school.
Yet not one fukk'n home venue.
Where the actual public made them a real draw. Or a feature to rhyme in a posse cut anywhere.
Let alone a headlining draw.
Art Barr
The shyt flaug'n.
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
I know Lupe love him............but aseop trash to me.
aesop is trash.
I am his actual higher drawing real skilled contemporary.
Where I know aesop trash.
Them dudes not even nobody to even speak to back stage
Plus made a eight mile lie style mockery.
of being an unskilled rapper posing as an emcee too.
While hiding behind race.
In a post jiggy hiphopinfinity.com racist support of Fard style arena. That being online and offshoots.
from this eight mile lie based rapper propaganda.
being allowed to pose and perpetrate. Their unskilled culture thief lacking bullshyt.
Nobody in the know.
Plus nobody who has soul.
along eith cultural beliefs in a hiphop pillar.
believes this digital eight mile lie rapper bullshyt. They got out here now.
art barr
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Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
Story telling was already kiled beyond recognition by g rap on roots of evil.
It is like nighaz all wanna bite common sense biting o type star.
Along with seeing fake rappers like Ajax and his little brother win a game show biting Nas all using some pop house style bullshyt like cool rock steady till krs served him in Chicago.
Man.
Dude is flaug'n cap ass lie. That needed rocsfella hackers and fake accounts to stay afloat online here.
Plus neve rocked nowhere and kill shyt off the dome like all the written rhymes y'all hearing.
Stop the cap.
Even that while his dad shyt is cap.
His pop just rocked a gi and packed guns. His pop was no master and I know so because his pop was dangerous because he packed. On some karate gun shyt. Yet his pop was not the city all thorough guy either. His pop was dangerous just as any nikkaz and knew the gun plug eho was the master.
Art Barr
the lone wolf and the cub.
Who was babysat amd reared.
by the master.
While the wolf was away.
principle city heir of chicago.
I chose the sword.
Art Barr
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“DOG whatever they call you, GOD, just listen
I spit a story backwards, it starts at the ending”
The audacity of this guy with the subtle wordplay
Mane Nas a genius cuz he can simplify something super complex.
I feel Lupe has a similar genius, but he likes to keep complexity complex to challenge himself. He simplifies it when he chooses to which can be his Achilles heel for listeners
Hell nawl bruh. Lupe was punchline & wordplay HEAVY those days
“Don’t intervene chumps
Y’all far from the hood like limousine trunks”
“One hit wonders, don’t streak like Windex”
That type shyt
Those were his calling cards. He can easily do the multis but dude is word play, extended metaphors, & entendres