Definitely not ear for production
Lupe lacks something what is it?
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Jack Don the G
What am I? A farmer?
I wasnt mad?
I started talking about "stupid" and "ignorant"?
Lets see these quotes again: "ignorance biased on your view of Testuo"
And lets see the definition on ignorance. "unaware,or uninformed."
Nothing but statements about on how you seemed to rate Lupe on his last album alone, which still seems to be the case.
So now lets see that "stupid" quote.
"Lack in songwriting.... Too many examples to even begin addressing this stupid statement."
Well its a stupid statement, especially if you don't make arguments on why you think so.
And lets not pretend you dont use similar words when people question K-Rino.
Lets use a argument style you LOVE to use. Other rappers opinion.
Quote from GZA: "I like Lupe [Fiasco], and I think he should be an example for these young dudes, because he has lyrics, can tell a great story and can capture you; he's not on the bull----, he's himself. That's the kind of music I like" (New Clan Plan)
Jay Z: “the greatest writer of our time” (Lupe Fiasco Released One of 2015's Finest Rap Records, so Why Are People Nervous to Talk About It? | NOISEY)
Nas: "One of them young nikkas, Lupe Fiasco, I'll listen to anything he do. That nikka really cool as a mutha****a. He's fun and it ain't just about being lyrical." (April 2007 XXL Issue)
Im pretty sure they would also call your statement about Lupe lacking in songwriting "stupid".
Your not invested in Lupe so you wont debate me?
Pff... Why post on a message board if you only intend to come in to threads and vent your feelings and then leave. A message board is made for discussions. Post your opinions on Twitter if you dont want a response.
Im not taking my opinions as facts. Im challenging yours. I havnt even talked about my opinions outside of me thinking your arguments are flawed. And then I explain why I think your arguments are flawed. Im not saying my view on your opinions are facts, Im making an argument.
I dont even care about your opinions. All I want is an explanation on why Lupe lack songwriting skills.
And dont bring up Tetsuo. He got a whole catalogue with songs that show his capability of song writing.
If the song writing on Tetsuo was lacking in your opinion. Thats alright, but thats only one album. But if you think his CAPABILITY as a song writer is lacking you need to explain your self. Its not about if you like it or not. Its about what you think he's lacking or what it would take to make him a better song writer.
And to stop writing puzzle rap is not an acceptable answer since that's just one style that hes using. Saying hes lacking in song writing means he is missing something, not doing to much of something.
Since you know all his music you would have not problem analyzing his other styles of writing and tell us what he needs to improve to become a great song writer.
Damn you got him with his own argument style using rappers comments. All the greats rate Lupe of Rino
I thought you were going on a holiday lol. Your posts boring me, had the same discussion numerous times, it gets really tedious, you should have just said your opinion, let me say mine and carry on instead of saying lies and getting emotional. I'm only going to briefly skim this...
I'm not going to go through Lupe's whole catalogue right now again just to have a conversation with you which I've had before which I don't even have a desire to have. I've clearly stated my opinion, that's it, I'm not going to have a long winded boring discussion with you. Just move on lol...
I don't mind a response, but an emotional response with somebody who I've already had extremely similar discussions with is very boring, I don't have the time or desire to do it.
You were stating your opinions as facts, and they're not, but the FACTS are that many people feel similar to how I do also, so it's not some irrational hatred or anything like that, it's merely an honest critique.
If you don't care about my opinion what is the point in me investing time and taking time out of a very busy schedule to have a pointless back and forth with you? My opinion has been clearly stated already, it's not a puzzle rap, it's clear as day so just read what I said.
I don't need to do anything, this isn't a job, this is a forum where can do what you want. If I have anything else to say on the topic will post it. If you really want to have some kind of discussion or debate wait until his new project, I'm going to listen to it anyway to see what it's like so while that's fresh in my mind and I'm listening to it already that may be a good time if you really want to engage with me about Lupe so badly for some reason. There will be a thread on it I'm sure and we'll both be listening to it I imagine so if you have something to say about my feedback then quote me if you like, but as far as me going back and listening to more Lupe ish to have a conversation with you we've pretty much already had isn't going to happen, so most productive thing to do would be to pick it back up then...
Many things K-Rino has over him in my opinion....
1: He is a FAR superior MC, when it comes to the technical aspects of rapping.
2: Discography, I would take Stories Of The Black Book over any Lupe album easily, same with Deeper Elevation and many other albums, quantity and quality he has over him.
3: More content.
4: More charismatic.
5: Better concepts.
6: Much better lyricist, K-Rino regularly has lyrics that are perfect, Lupe often loses me with ish...
"You're like a contemporary museum of art, that farts"
"Rain like.. a slight chance of rain when it's raining"
"Flow is tight.. SKINNY JEANS, SKINNY JEANS"
"And that's da da da da da da da...
Just to be back in
Reincarnated, exact twin
Exact ten, exact twelve
Ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba...
Exact self
Do I really gotta say it?
Didn't we all play it?
Dojo, Abobo
Overshore the throat, polo
Billy, Jimmy
Even on the low low"
^^^ That isn't good lyrics to me, if it is to you that's fine though.
7: Much more presence in his voice, he can use his voice as an instrument, melodically or make it aggressive or do whatever he wants.
8: Better styles and flows.
9: Better stories..
10: Consistency and non conformity, no crossover attempts K-Rino's catalogue.
That's a quick 10 but there's a massive amount of reasons. This is from somebody who has heard both's full discography also, Lupe isn't really on K-Rino's level. The norm with most on here though is to rock with the most famous 1 so not really going to get a true informed discussion as Lupe was on a major and K-Rino didn't want to be. Again if somebody were to pick Lupe that's fine, I never mind about people's lists and stuff like that, don't catch feelings, but you asked for my opinion and I told you it, K-Rino is vastly superior in pretty much all meaningful aspects and it's not remotely close either.
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Jack Don the G
What am I? A farmer?
Throw a rock and hide it ass n....
You said you knew Lupes music. Then you dont have to listen again. Its quite simple. Why write such a long response when you easily could have explain yourself in 3 sentences?
Ill answer that for you. You dont got a explanation.
Ill pinned you down and now you have nowhere to go.
Wow. The mighty Ruler is speechless. Who would have thought?
Well hopefully you have learned something from this and not come in and write nonsense that you havnt thought through and cant back up. Then you dont have to have "boring" conversations.
That's not true at all, there's plenty artists whose albums I know in depth that I always like listening to over again while having an interesting debate or discussion, even Pac's or The Infamous which I've heard 100's of times.
Wasn't a long response for me, just typed that quickly, am a quick typer.
I don't have to answer questions from you, I don't know who you think you are where you can make any type of demands on me, but you can't...
I told you I will speak to you about the new work when I'm listening to it, because I'm not going to rehash convos over and over again pointlessly and endlessly. At least it will be slightly fresher as it will be new work.
cleanface coney
WENT LEGIT
hype/club type songs
his beats kinda fell off too
his beats kinda fell off too
Jack Don the G
What am I? A farmer?
Many things K-Rino has over him in my opinion....
1: He is a FAR superior MC, when it comes to the technical aspects of rapping.
2: Discography, I would take Stories Of The Black Book over any Lupe album easier, same with Deeper Elevation and many other albums, quantity and quality he has over him.
3: More content.
4: More charismatic.
5: Better concepts.
6: Much better lyricist, K-Rino regularly has lyrics that are perfect, Lupe often loses me with ish...
"You're like a contemporary museum of art, that farts"
"Rain like.. a slight chance of rain when it's raining"
"Flow is tight.. SKINNY JEANS, SKINNY JEANS"
"And that's da da da da da da da...
Just to be back in
Reincarnated, exact twin
Exact ten, exact twelve
Ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba...
Exact self
Do I really gotta say it?
Didn't we all play it?
Dojo, Abobo
Overshore the throat, polo
Billy, Jimmy
Even on the low low"
^^^ That isn't good lyrics to me, if it is to you that's fine though.
7: Much more presence in his voice, he can use his voice as an instrument, melodically or make it aggressive or do whatever he wants.
8: Better styles and flows.
9: Better stories..
10: Consistency and non conformity, no crossover attempts K-Rino's catalogue.
That's a quick 10 but there's a massive amount of reasons. This is from somebody who has heard both's full discography also, Lupe isn't really on K-Rino's level. The norm with most on here though is to rock with the most famous 1 so not really going to get a true informed discussion as Lupe was on a major and K-Rino didn't want to be. Again if somebody were to pick Lupe that's fine, I never mind about people's lists and stuff like that, don't catch feelings, but you asked for my opinion and I told you it, K-Rino is vastly superior in pretty much all meaningful aspects and it's not remotely close either.
Look at this shyt.
Look how fukking easy it is to state opinions when you don't need to explain why you think in a certain way.
I can also make a list in a similar style to Rulers way of thinking.
I believe my moms a better rapper then K-Rino.
1. She got way better flows.
2: Better breath control (better breath for that matter)
3. Better lyrics
4. Better wordplay
The only thing K-Rino is better at is storytelling. His music put me to sleep much faster then her bedstorys.
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Charisma.
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Those are some pretty damning knocks. Those are the components that make or break you.
MillionMills
Superstar
Picking beats has nothing to do with being a rapper really.
His voice is good enough for his type of music so it fits
His hooks may be his biggest knock but thats kinda small on the list of what makes an all time great