Main difference between Aaliyah and Beyonce
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JMurder
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i dont understand why you little imbecile's are always so hellbent on comparing aalyiah to beyonce. you can tell whos 14 years old in here.
beyonce is supposed to be a top 1 or top 2 female r&b artist right now. aalyiah was never close to such status. she wasnt even in the top 2 in her specific lane. this is like saying "would rick ross be where he is now if freaky tah(no disrespect) was still alive?". what makes it even worst is that beyonce was already bigger than aalyiah before she died. and it wasnt arguable either.
lets be real, we just like aalyiah's music better because she had r.kelly behind her, and later on timbaland & missy. hell, some of you idiots dont even remember when she was under r.kelly. you just know he smashed. thats why hes barely mentioned in these threads, yet timbo & missy are steadily sprinkled in these posts.
@ these fake @$$ numbers.
lol @ aalyiah being an international superstar.
smh @ this racist chit at the end. stick to talking about taylor swift and leave the r&b threads to the big dogs.
and i hate to burst your bubble(actually i dont hate to do it) but aalyiah didnt make any dam grown-folks music. her music was geared towards the same exact demographic as beyonce's music. and lets be real, beyonce made way more grown folk songs than aalyiah.
monica is still droppin hits on the regular.
no aalyiah was not as big as monica or brandy.
and yes, ciara is a more realistic comparison to aalyiah than beyonce is.
I wonder, which of these R&B artists before Aaliyah had a movie role that amounted to anything? We really gonna act like "Back & Forth," "At Your Best," "If Your Girl Only Knew," "4 Page Letter," "Are You That Somebody"...we really gonna act like these songs were not in constant rotation back in the day?
Come on now, y'all are just being petty. They were all in the same class, and anyone who listened to them were likely to have ALL of their hits in the same playlist. Only difference is around the time Aaliyah dropped (no pun), her career was going upward while Brandy and Monica were seeing the begin of a decline in popularity.
This Aaliyah slander is getting ridiculous
Jacksonville Swaguar
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Yeah that's right. Hyped up to be one of the best around when there plenty of others better, even on their own team
JMurder
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You sound like someone who's informed. Why would she be hyped up? How exactly does this Jeremy Lin analogy work? Aaliyah was moving units and dropping classic singles since she was 14/15 years old...explain how this compares to an unknown out of college who blew up out of nowhere by kick Kobe's ass in LA
Homeboy Runny-Ray
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I wonder, which of these R&B artists before Aaliyah had a movie role that amounted to anything? We really gonna act like "Back & Forth," "At Your Best," "If Your Girl Only Knew," "4 Page Letter," "Are You That Somebody"...we really gonna act like these songs were not in constant rotation back in the day?
Come on now, y'all are just being petty. They were all in the same class, and anyone who listened to them were likely to have ALL of their hits in the same playlist. Only difference is around the time Aaliyah dropped (no pun), her career was going upward while Brandy and Monica were seeing the begin of a decline in popularity.
This Aaliyah slander is getting ridiculous
youre in here listing hit songs as if the other chicks didnt have a bigger overall string of hits.
@ the bolded. you either have no idea what youre talking about or youre just too deep in stan-mode. aalyiah was out first. they came out and passed her. and aalyiah fell off before they did too. lets not act like that last album she dropped wasnt shoved to the side before she died. people who were really following the game at the time remember all this. what brandy/monica albums had dud results up to that point?
i dont know what acting has to do with a singing career but whatever. and last i checked, brandy had a classic sitcom that people grew up on. meanwhile, aalyiah had a forgettable role in that jet li flick & her "queen of the damned" movie was both a critical & commercial flop.
of course most chicks had them all in their playlist. so what? they had others in their playlist as well. mona lisa was in alot of those playlists as well and she sings circles around aalyiah, but i guarantee most of the zombies in here waving flags for aalyiah dont even know who she is.
at the end of the day, they were geared towards the same audience but somebody has to be queen. aalyiah was not that.
monica = #1 in the hood & #2 in the mainstream.
brandy = #1 in the mainstream & #2 in the hood
aalyiah = 3rd wheel in both categories, with 702 & mya breathing down her neck. and aint nann nicca even bringing those chicks up in this thread for some reason.
and nobody is being petty or slandering anybody. we're just being realistic. all this revisionist chit is disrespectful and gives me the heeby jeebies.
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Why you lying, its clear you did not grow up in a black house hold
+ no, TLC ?
JMurder
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Its fukking retarded to compare group accomplishments (Destiny's Child) to the accomplishments of a solo artist (Aaliyah) because 9 times out of 10, the people in the group are in a group because they weren't good enough to be solo.
Like for real, who willingly signs up to have their money split 3-4 ways, always having to consult others before making major decisions & not being able to write what they want without considering the other group mates. Who signs up for that shyt?People who have to
Let it go. They groomed her with DC & when they were popular enough, Beyonce branched off. We're basically in agreement on this, you're just lookin at it with rose-colored glasses instead of what it really was.
And nah. I definitely remember people questioning whether Bey could stand on her own. Her first single from the Austin Powers movie didn't take off how they wanted.......the "Work It Out" joint. In contrast, Aaliyah's Try Again from the Romeo Must Die soundtrack was everywhere in 2000 & Are You That Somebody from the Klumps soundtrack was everywhere in 1998. Beyonce's shyt was a dud.
Beyoncé - Work It Out - YouTube
She got it right with Crazy in Love but, that shyt just happened to feature the biggest rapper at the timethen her next song had Sean Paul who just happened to be the hottest reggae act, then her album featured Big Boi, Luther Vandross, Missy Elliot & another Jay-Z track. Come on man
They made sure Beyonce made it
How did I miss this truthful post
Homeboy Runny-Ray
From Around The Way
Why you lying, its clear you did not grow up in a black house hold
+ no, TLC ?
you exposed yourself with the bolded.
TLC WAS NOT IN THEIR LANE. THEY WERE GROWN AZZ WOMEN.
yet youre in here trying to play somebody?
like i said, all this aalyiah hype is revisionist sympathy props from people that missed out on that era or people that just sip whatever kool-aid is put in front of their face. this is like that pimp c thread all over again.
like homie said, aalyiah wasnt even the thurlest on her own teams.
and i liked aalyiah and still bang some of her joints. and i think shes a legend. but shes a legend in the same vein as people like say a mya. but leave it up to the sippers, and shes suddenly aretha, patti, gladys & chaka rolled all in one.
and im not even big on beyonce either, outside of the early destinys child stuff. but to act like aalyiah's death caused any alterations to beyonce or any r&b singers is insane.
So Aaliyah "fell off" with an album that was "shoved to the side" even though it was her most commercially successful album??
200K first week (150K more than her last album) and certified gold after five weeks...
Yeah ok, Wacky D
youre in here listing hit songs as if the other chicks didnt have a bigger overall string of hits.
i dont know what acting has to do with a singing career but whatever. and last i checked, brandy had a classic sitcom that people grew up on. meanwhile, aalyiah had a forgettable role in that jet li flick & her "queen of the damned" movie was both a critical & commercial flop.
of course most chicks had them all in their playlist. so what? they had others in their playlist as well. mona lisa was in alot of those playlists as well and she sings circles around aalyiah, but i guarantee most of the zombies in here waving flags for aalyiah dont even know who she is.
at the end of the day, they were geared towards the same audience but somebody has to be queen. aalyiah was not that.
monica = #1 in the hood & #2 in the mainstream.
brandy = #1 in the mainstream & #2 in the hood
aalyiah = 3rd wheel in both categories, with 702 & mya breathing down her neck. and aint nann nicca even bringing those chicks up in this thread for some reason.
and nobody is being petty or slandering anybody. we're just being realistic. all this revisionist chit is disrespectful and gives me the heeby jeebies.
Her last album had her highest first week sales
74,000 first week - Age Aint Nothing But a Number
40,000 first week - One in a Million
200,000 first week (330,000 worldwide) - Aaliyah
Album was Gold in 5 weeks
How was she falling off doing her highest numbers?
This was 2001. Not 2012. Artist didn't frontload their marketing/promotions with 3-4 singles up front like we do now. Albums got slow burn & were pushed for years. For example, One in a Million came out in August 1996. The last single off that album came out in September 1997. 13 months later Aaliyah died 7 weeks after the release of her last album. See the difference. Even if you think she was falling off, you're making a premature conclusion considering her other two albums got to be pushed for years & she died a month into her last. I want you to understand how important this point is, Aaliyah died 7 weeks into the album. Had Aaliyah died 7 weeks into the release of the "One in a Million" album, the "One in a Million" single/video would've never gotten released which came out in December. That was her biggest fukkin record. That's a big ass factor. Your logic is Fact remains, every Aaliyah album went atleast 3x Platinum
And nobody was fukkin with Monica or Brandy in 2001/2002. "What About Us" & "Full Moon" wasn't hot in the hood, like you like to eloquently put it. Monica didn't come back until 2003 with "So Gone" & while that shyt was hot (that beat
) she never touched platinum again.As usual, you dont know what you're talking about
Homeboy Runny-Ray
From Around The Way
So Aaliyah "fell off" with an album that was "shoved to the side" even though it was her most commercially successful album??
another self-exposal. anybody that followed the game knows that aalyiah's album at the time was considered a dissappointment. aalyiah herself knew that. and even after her death, her album sales still were dissappointing. a year's worth of non-stop pub and it still didnt crack 2 millie?
again, you have to be privy to the game back then to understand. for starters, when comparing her 2nd & 3rd albums, you have to realize that youre comparing TWO DIFFERENT ERAS. 1st week sales werent as drastic back when her 2nd joint dropped, ESPECIALLY FOR R&B. and since youre going to bat so hard for aalyiah, i would hope that youre up on her history. she was a slow burn seller on her 1st 2 joints. especially the 2nd jawn, which was coming off the heels of that scandal and alot of people werent trying to f**k with her.add to the fact that the 2nd album didnt really take off until the 2nd single dropped anyway.
youre a bonehead if you think her 3rd album had anywhere near as much impact as her 1st 2 albums. nobody even brings that album up despite the fact that it featured her "most requested videos".do your homework and have ya soldier suit on before you try to call me out for foul play, young buck.
What are you talking about?
It also became the third album from Aaliyah to receive the award of multi-platinum. The album has sold more than 2.95 million copies in the US. The album spent 188 weeks on the Billboard 200. Physical copies of the album are out of print in the United States. It is available for download in iTunes.
In the week of her death the album rose from number 19 to number 1, with more than 888,000 copies sold. Until the release of I Care 4 U (December 2002), the album had sold in excess of 9 million copies worldwide. As of December 2008, the album sold more than 13 million copies worldwide (12 million physical copies and 1 million downloads via the Internet). The album is Aaliyah's highest-selling in the world.
This shyt is public information Wacky
JMurder
SOHH Member since 01...
youre in here listing hit songs as if the other chicks didnt have a bigger overall string of hits.
i dont know what acting has to do with a singing career but whatever. and last i checked, brandy had a classic sitcom that people grew up on. meanwhile, aalyiah had a forgettable role in that jet li flick & her "queen of the damned" movie was both a critical & commercial flop.
of course most chicks had them all in their playlist. so what? they had others in their playlist as well. mona lisa was in alot of those playlists as well and she sings circles around aalyiah, but i guarantee most of the zombies in here waving flags for aalyiah dont even know who she is.
at the end of the day, they were geared towards the same audience but somebody has to be queen. aalyiah was not that.
monica = #1 in the hood & #2 in the mainstream.
brandy = #1 in the mainstream & #2 in the hood
aalyiah = 3rd wheel in both categories, with 702 & mya breathing down her neck. and aint nann nicca even bringing those chicks up in this thread for some reason.
and nobody is being petty or slandering anybody. we're just being realistic. all this revisionist chit is disrespectful and gives me the heeby jeebies.
a bigger overall string of hits?
Brandy didn't have a string of hits on this calibre until she dropped her second album which was led by a duet with Monica. No one can deny the impact of "The Boy Is Mine" when it dropped, and both Brandy and Monica both benefited huge from it. But between them, But you can't compare any "Brandy" singles with Aaliyah's rendition of "At Your Best." It's funny, I did a google search looking for opening week sales and found this quote on Brandy's self-titled debut
Now here's facts: Neither "Brandy" nor "Miss Thang" had a higher peak on the Billboard Charts than "Age Ain't Nothin." Only "Brandy" outsold it. Brandy ATE off of her duet with Monica and went 4x platinum with Never Say Never....One In A Million still outsold The Boy Is Mine.
Now here is where I address your BOLD lie when you say "lets not act like that last album she dropped wasnt shoved to the side before she died." To this I say...STOP THE fukkING LIES. Aaliyah dropped to critical acclaim, dropped at number 2 at the Billboard charts, and sold 200,000 copies first week...most things she'd NEVER done before in her career. Add on the fact that she was already in a movie that was more widely recognized than Moesha (and by that I mean outside the hood
), was cast in an important role in BOTH Matrix flicks...yeah, u should probably stfu breh.Oh, and Full Moon (Brandy's third album) only sold 156k first week. Never Say Never didn't even sell 200k out the gate, and that's the biggest album out of all three artists.
So I'm sorry, I have to laugh at the notion that Monica was #2 in the mainstream....I'm sorry, I have to laugh at the notion that a singer who would be acting in one of the biggest movie trilogies would fail to be bigger than two R&B singers who couldn't do anything beyond black sitcoms and awful tv movies (unless we're counting I Still Know What You Did Last Summer).
I think you're confusing what some ppl are saying. No one is saying Aaliyah's career was some unmeasurable feat that only Beyonce has passed. But to act like she wasn't something special until she died. Stop it slime. More than anyone else mentioned in the thread, she had lasting material. The fact that nikkas will go 20 years and still WANT to listen to shyt Aaliyah released in her first two albums is something you probably can't say about Brandy or Monica (but you definitely can't say about Beyonce)
JMurder
SOHH Member since 01...
nevermind, didn't realize I was arguing with a troll. I neg repped accordingly