Matt Ryan 5yr/$103.75 mil extension.

[AVXL]

you do; but you do not have to follow the established conventions.
thats what moneyball is all about- finding overrated things and underrated things and pouncing on the value

in case you dont undestand yet, I think qbs are extremely overrated and in current situation the right strategy is keep drafting new ones every few years if the old ones want 20% of the teams cap.


lol so why not 4980294 million ? why not give qbs blank checks ? lol. Almost none of these deals have been about a QB wanting more, it's about a team & player coming to terms on a deal that works for BOTH sides, a point you don't seem to understand

again, another retarded hyperbole. not only most teams do not have a backup long snapper, a long snapper is not even a part of the 22.



I didnt contradict myself anywhere, I was talking about MY values; not the falcons gm values or your values. my stance is simple.
you clearly are too idiotic to understand this tho


you dont have to tell me anything. Ive forgotten more football than you have watched in your life. and you didnt understand anything in terms of economics

You realize MoneyBall is a baseball economic concept & that the realities of a MLB contract (which is completely guaranteed in a sport with no salary cap) is different than a NFL contract (partially guaranteed with a hard cap). That concept doesn't apply to all sports b/c all sports don't share the same economic structure.

In case YOU haven't realized I think a strategy where you draft and groom a QB only to trade him away when he's reached his prime is not only idiotic, it's counter productive. Cheaper labor doesn't always equal the same level of talent or output. Again, that's a cheap way of building a football team (or any organization for that matter).

Why would anyone seriously advocate giving a QB a blank check or a made up number? Are you that frustrated by your inability to understand that elite level QBs mean more to their team & earn more? You know that every team DOES NOT pay their QB at "$25 million" or even "$15 million". You can penny pinch and get QBs on the cheap, but expect limited returns.

And you bring up the Alex Smith/Kaep situation...how often does that happen in the league? You bring up one instance, outside of an injury to the starting QB that usually doesn't happen.

at the insults. You sound upset that you have a flawed concept of value for an elite QB in a billion dollar sport breh

 

[Spaceman Piff]

actually I meant it that almost any qb who can make nfl throws can be groomed to be decent enough to give team a chance.

you dont just 'get lucky' and pick the right one. you make him. unless of course its a once in generation talent like marino or peyton

your argument just boils down to "my coach is better than your coach."

harbaugh bringing alex smith back from the grave really got niner fans talking crazy.

 

[yseJ]

QB is the most important position in sports. And it ain't like good QBs are available by the truckload. You've got teams who haven't had a good QB for decades: Dolphins, Jets, Bills, Browns, Jaguars, Raiders, Chiefs, Cowboys, Vikings, Bears, Bucs, and Rams. That's almost half the league. Redskins, Seahawks, and Niners look like they lucked out with QBs, but it took them decades to finally have their guy.

Ryan may not be top 5, but you gotta keep your QB once you find him.

qb being the most important position in sports is a fallacy instilled into your brain by the media.

oh and romo is a good qb. so is freeman. bradford aint bad. cutler is above average. jaguars had garrard, raiders had campbell- qbs good enough

 

[Lakers Offseason]

qb being the most important position in sports is a fallacy instilled into your brain by the media.

oh and romo is a good qb. so is freeman. bradford aint bad. cutler is above average. jaguars had garrard, raiders had campbell- qbs good enough

What's a more important position than QB for a football team?

 

[yseJ]

your argument just boils down to "my coach is better than your coach."

harbaugh bringing alex smith back from the grave really got niner fans talking crazy.

um no
Ive said this way before alex smith became any good. Ive said this before harbaugh was even on the Niners. Ive said on sohh years before harbaugh. stop it.
this has nothing to do with harbaugh

 

[yseJ]

What's a more important position than QB for a football team?

football is a team sport- all 22 positions on both sides are important. special teams are a different subject tho.

 

[Lakers Offseason]

qb being the most important position in sports is a fallacy instilled into your brain by the media.

oh and romo is a good qb. so is freeman. bradford aint bad. cutler is above average. jaguars had garrard, raiders had campbell- qbs good enough

Also, at you thinking the bold above.

 

[Lakers Offseason]

football is a team sport- all 22 positions on both sides are important. special teams are a different subject tho.

I don't know if you're trolling or trying to bait me into a dumb argument. Or maybe you just don't understand football

 

[AVXL]

What's a more important position than QB for a football team?

Outside Linebacker! Duh!

 

[yseJ]

You realize MoneyBall is a baseball economic concept & that the realities of a MLB contract (which is completely guaranteed in a sport with no salary cap) is different than a NFL contract (partially guaranteed with a hard cap). That concept doesn't apply to all sports b/c all sports don't share the same economic structure.

moneyball is not really a baseball concept. its a concept of finding value
go ask HHR

In case YOU haven't realized I think a strategy where you draft and groom a QB only to trade him away when he's reached his prime is not only idiotic, it's counter productive. Cheaper labor doesn't always equal the same level of talent or output. Again, that's a cheap way of building a football team (or any organization for that matter).

you don't have to trade him away if you feel what he wants equals to what his value is.

Why would anyone seriously advocate giving a QB a blank check or a made up number?

because 100 million you cited is exactly this -a made up number

And you bring up the Alex Smith/Kaep situation...how often does that happen in the league? You bring up one instance, outside of an injury to the starting QB that usually doesn't happen.

word ?

who were the qbs before brady, steve young and aaron rodgers on their teams ?
some bums right ?

You sound upset that you have a flawed concept of value for an elite QB in a billion dollar sport breh

Im more upset youre insulting my intelligence by thinking youre creating some kind of genius economic concepts

whereas its simple- if I believe Im right about qb being overrated even by a third, then its economically viable for me not to pay them market value salary. its that simple.

 

[yseJ]

I don't know if you're trolling or trying to bait me into a dumb argument. Or maybe you just don't understand football

none of these. Ive forgotten more football than most people in this thread have watched in their lifetime. and I firmly believe qb is the most overrated, overglorified position in sports. made more so by media (including dumb sports movies), stereotypes and the leagues willingness to become more 'entertaining' and putting defenders in terrible position

 

[Spaceman Piff]

um no
Ive said this way before alex smith became any good. Ive said this before harbaugh was even on the Niners. Ive said on sohh years before harbaugh. stop it.
this has nothing to do with harbaugh

the further back you go.. the more your argument makes sense.

it doesn't anymore.

but i don't really care to change your mind.

 

[AVXL]

moneyball is not really a baseball concept. its a concept of finding value
go ask HHR


you don't have to trade him away if you feel what he wants equals to what his value is.

because 100 million you cited is exactly this -a made up number


word ?

who were the qbs before brady, steve young and aaron rodgers on their teams ?
some bums right ?


Im more upset youre insulting my intelligence by thinking youre creating some kind of genius economic concepts

whereas its simple- if I believe Im right about qb being overrated even by a third, then its economically viable for me not to pay them market value salary. its that simple.

MoneyBall is a concept of finding value in baseball. Again two different sports, two different economic structures

Matt Ryan just signed his deal for a little over $100 million how is that a made up number? You literally just typed some numbers and put a million behind it like it was a real number b/c you got frustrated that you sound like an idiot

Bledsoe got hurt, Brady has been signed to contracts worth more than 100 million dollars
Favre got traded to NYJ b/c he fell out with the organization, not because of contract demands. Rodgers just signed a HUGE deal & he's worth it
Montana got traded to KC, Steve Young got paid handsomely in SF & he was worth it too

If you believe that not paying a player market value for his service makes sense you know nothing about economics. You can't run an organization not paying people what they deserve to make unless you're a cheap b*stard such as yourself who thinks the punter & quarterback should have the same pay grade

 

[yseJ]

the further back you go.. the more your argument makes sense.

it doesn't anymore.

but i don't really care to change your mind.

not sure whats that supposed to mean, but if you think Im a blind homer who just started thinking this after Niners were successful with Harbaugh, you couldnt be more wrong. Im a pretty critical fan. have actually been called negative nancy by fellow team fans

 

[Lakers Offseason]

none of these. Ive forgotten more football than most people in this thread have watched in their lifetime. and I firmly believe qb is the most overrated, overglorified position in sports. made more so by media (including dumb sports movies), stereotypes and the leagues willingness to become more 'entertaining' and putting defenders in terrible position

So tell me which position in team sports is more important than QB in football. Don't give me a generic answer "all positions are important because it's team sports" crap.