MPJ has never flashed the potential that Giannis flashed by his third season. But your dumb ass probably just wants to be obtuse to have an online argument.
Michael Porter jr to stay with Denver on 5 yr-172 (possible 207) million dollar Rookie extension.
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Flex Grossman
Funky
So when he had 20+ in the first quarter of a playoff game to put away the blazers? Not a flash enough? When he has the second most efficient 19+ ppl season after wilt in his second year? Not a flash enough?
If you're a believer in this guy and happy with the deal, I'm not gonna argue with you about it. That's your team.
I saw a guy that could shoot really well but offered nothing in the way of passing (doesn't seem to grasp the concept), ball handling or defense.
Maybe he improves all those things and you'll be right. Feel free to throw it in my face then. Right now, I happen to think this is a pre-mature and far too pricey extension.
If you're a believer in this guy and happy with the deal, I'm not gonna argue with you about it. That's your team.
I saw a guy that could shoot really well but offered nothing in the way of passing (doesn't seem to grasp the concept), ball handling or defense.
Maybe he improves all those things and you'll be right. Feel free to throw it in my face then. Right now, I happen to think this is a pre-mature and far too pricey extension.
The past few years have made it pretty clear that I don't understand basketball salaries. I cheer on that they're overcharging owners, but I couldn't give him $170 million plus off one season of promise. This contract is the sign of a broken system. Cats talk shyt about the NFL, but the cats with the highest contracts for the most part make sense to most people. It doesn't make sense for MPJ to be making the same amount of money as Steph.
Flex Grossman
Funky
And if you don’t see it that’s fine too.If you're a believer in this guy and happy with the deal, I'm not gonna argue with you about it. That's your team.
I saw a guy that could shoot really well but offered nothing in the way of passing (doesn't seem to grasp the concept), ball handling or defense.
Maybe he improves all those things and you'll be right. Feel free to throw it in my face then. Right now, I happen to think this is a pre-mature and far too pricey extension.
The part that doesn’t make sense is just letting him walk after next year because he’s not a can’t miss once in a generation player, just to conserve cap space. Not only are the nuggets already gonna be over the cap, they’re also not a FA destination. You’re just giving away the upside of MPJ for nothing.
The biggest issue is teams get essentially capped out after maxing two players. It punishes teams for drafting and trading well. Then when guys like MPJ are coming up on extensions, it's either overpay for them and get stuck with a bad contract or let them walk for nothing without any cap space to replace them.
I get that part of @Flex Grossman reasoning. The problem is you wind up in these purgatory situations like Portland, Washington, Indiana, Minnesota, Sacramento and Orlando without a real way to improve.
Flex Grossman
Funky
Most of those teams don’t have a bunch of maxed players tho. They’re just incompetent FOs that don’t know how to build around stars
Blame ESPN/TNT for overpaying for the rights in the first place, which caused the cap spike and jump in cap space that's ensued. Remember less than 10 years ago, a max rookie extension was only $80 million dollars.
Couple that with bad decision making as well. For example, Orlando giving up Dipo and Sabonis to get Ibaka just to only end up trading him less than a year later for nothing.
In Indiana's case, their core set of players are injury prone. It was a reason why they were able to get Warren from Phoenix on the cheap. They don't even have a max player on their roster.
I meant to add Utah as well, which has Gobert and Mitchell, plus big salaries with Conley and Boggie. Portland has Dame and CJ; Washington had Beal and Wall, then Westbrook.
I agree about incompetent FOs but they still prove my point that they get stuck because they can't afford to lose whatever players they have. So Orlando winds up taking shytty contracts like Gary Harris (your team) and Otto Porter Jr. to unload other deals that took them nowhere like Vucevic, Gordon and Fournier.
Indy has a bunch of guys on mostly fair deals but combined, they don't make them close to being a contender.
Denver might be able to make it work because Jokic is that good (kind of like Milwaukee did because of Giannis) but they are locked in now with their core and Aaron Gordon is probably going to bend them over when his negotiations begin because they won't want to let him walk for nothing. If they re-sign Gordon, their salary is gonna be INSANELY high.
Flex Grossman
Funky
Gordon’s already re-signed. This extension locked the whole core in.
Oh, it wasn't showing up on Hoopshype. So they're basically committing $125 million a year to those four, which is over the cap and will go up year over year. And Jokic is gonna command a super max after next season, which will bump him from $33 million a year to $40-50.
Flex Grossman
Funky
Yep. Those 4 were looking dominant after the Gordon trade and before the Murray injury. It’s a small sample size of games, but they were also in the WCF the year before. If you’re not gonna go all in for that, what’s the point?
I respect the commitment and that they're going all in.
FreshFromATL
Self Made
What else was Denver going to do? Not like they would get a big free agent to pair with Jokic.
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