No one blames lebron for leaving cleveland initially
MJ is the GOAT and this tweet just proves it : mindblown:
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Me too bruh. I hate this part about NBA culture. Very negative overall.
The person I was responding to just did.... and many pro-jordan people and even Kobe people do all the time
Why are you lying for?
Everyone has always gotten smoke for losing
And everyone still gets praise for great performances and games regardless
Because their opinion concerning that situation is not reality based
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no they didn’t. I was alive at that time. People love to 63 points. Bernard King 60 points on Christmas in a loss got love.
I don’t think you were around at that time to make such a judgement. Folks aint care if a team lost if someone gave a masterpiece performance
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Okay? Those are individual games
im talking career
Pat Ewing still got shade for not winning a ring
Stockton and Malone still got shyt for not winning a ring
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Oh. Just games.
It was a different. The way culture is right now, somebody on the losing team can never win an MVP of a series unlike they did back in the days.
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I'm a Jordan stan and I think that Facebook post/tweet is corny and dismissive.
No, I'm comparing Jordan at ages 22-27 to LeBron at ages 19-25. If anything, LBJ should get MORE of a pass than MJ does for those dry years.
Jordan was 22-23 those years, same age that Bron was when he took the championship Pistons squad to 7 in the ECSF followed by a Finals run. Magic and Bird both led title runs at similar ages in their first two years in the league too. So layoff the excuses for Jordan eating first round sweeps. Woolridge, Gervin, and Oakley were better players than anyone on Bron's Cleveland squad.
No one said that was championship material, but Oakley was a borderline all-star better than anyone on Bron's squad, Paxson, Corzine, Banks were decent role players similar to Delonte, Varejao, Pavlovic, and Pippen/Grant were already good role players as rookies. This squad was at least as good if not better than anything Bron had in Cleveland. And Jordan was 4-9 in the playoffs these two years with his only series win against a team whose best player was Mark Price.
Why Bron haters always lying?
Jordan didn't win no title in 1990, he was getting sent home by the Pistons for the 3rd straight season that year.
And who the fukk thinks Jordan didn't start his prime until 25? So the 63-point playoff game wasn't prime Jordan? The 37ppg season wasn't prime Jordan? The 35ppg season wasn't prime Jordan? He placed 1st and 2nd in MVP voting the two years before that, but wasn't in him prime yet?
The truth was, this was a great roster. Pippen got his first All-Star selection and was getting All-NBA votes. Grant was an elite role player and the perfect replacement for Oakley. Cartwright was a former All-Star playing at a similar level to Z in Cleveland, who was literally Bron's best teammate yet maybe the 4th best teammate early MJ had. Paxson, Hodges, and Armstrong were three great shooters spacing the floor across from Jordan.
And he still took losses. Still didn't even make the Finals.
Yup, he was Bron's best teammate those first 7 seasons. Funny thing is, you omit that Cartwright made an All-Star before Jordan too and was a similar quality player to Iglauskas. You omit that Gervin made All-Star the year before joining Jordan. You omit that Woolridge was a borderline All-Star and a far, far better scorer than anyone LeBron played with in Cleveland. You omit that Pippen made All-Star before the Bulls ever won a title and Oakley, Grant, and Armstrong all made All-Star teams after Jordan left.
There were plenty of ballers on those teams.
The fact that you just used JJ Hickson in your argument.
The idea that making 10 Finals and winning 4 titles isn't dominating.
The idea that Bron couldn't win anything with a loaded squad that won 55 games WITHOUT Jordan, when he won a title with fukking Kyrie and JR as his #2/#3 options, then won another title with KCP and Rondo as his #3/#4. Especially against those weak-ass squads MJ faced.
Bron haters live in an alternate reality.
lol. Literally one comment above you is:
Most of the Bron haters on this board blame LeBron for leaving a squad where 38yo Shaq was his #2 scorer.
shyt this dumb should be a banable offense.
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There was Jordan and Pippen. Every other player around them was interchangeable minus rodman
Rodman was no MVP and the truth is nobody wanted him when Chicago got him. A large portion didn't even think it would work out
As good as rodman was for Chicago you forget everyone who played with Jordan looked great in hindsight
Steve Kerr never missed a shot, his pathetic centers were about as affective as Joker is. They just didn't go to the Joker well as much because they didn't have to but Bill Wennington and Luc Longly handled Shaq/Pat/Hakeem, you name it
You don't see nearly as many Rodman highlights in other uniforms. And Jordan is just paying respect to his dead brotha. We all know Kobe is lil bro in the relationship in every sense of the word
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Bron never led a dynasty though, there is always something
Rodman was voted All-NBA a couple months before the Bulls got him. Everyone knew how good he was. The only issue was that he was feuding with Spurs coaches and had arguably quit during the '95 playoffs, but his impact on the court was elite. Bulls got lucky that every other contender already had an established starter or even star at PF (Kemp on Sonics, Malone on Jazz, Grant on Magic, Oakley on Knicks, Antonio/Dale Davis on Pacers), so they were the only win-now team with a gaping need there.
I dunno about Kukoc being "interchangeable". There weren't many 6'10" forwards at the time with easy range to 3pt who could give you 15-17ppg as the third option. Longley was 7'2", 270lbs with the size to guard every big center in the league yet also the midrange to space the floor without plugging up the lane. Steve Kerr lead the NBA in 3pt shooting before he ever got to Chicago. Ron Harper was a very good player and regular 20ppg scorer before he came to Chicago. It was a huge advantage for the Bulls to have that crew as their #4, #5, #6, and #7 options in an era where most teams only had 2 stars at most and were trash past their 4th or 5th guys.
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Why lie? everyone can google
