MJ is the GOAT and this tweet just proves it : mindblown:

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All this thread proves is that MJ stans and Bron stans are just as insufferable as one another. Nothing we didn't already know.
 

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Jordan is a better individual player, Bron is a better team player. Jordan's game was less reliant on his teammates. Both are great.
 

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There was Jordan and Pippen. Every other player around them was interchangeable minus rodman
Rodman was no MVP and the truth is nobody wanted him when Chicago got him. A large portion didn't even think it would work out
As good as rodman was for Chicago you forget everyone who played with Jordan looked great in hindsight
Steve Kerr never missed a shot, his pathetic centers were about as affective as Joker is. They just didn't go to the Joker well as much because they didn't have to but Bill Wennington and Luc Longly handled Shaq/Pat/Hakeem, you name it

You don't see nearly as many Rodman highlights in other uniforms. And Jordan is just paying respect to his dead brotha. We all know Kobe is lil bro in the relationship in every sense of the word :childplease:
Pippen alone is far better than any thing lebron had in his first Cavs stint BY FAR and you know it.
 

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Bulls were favored in every Finals appearance they had. Every single one
Why lie? everyone can google :yeshrug:

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1990-91 Season: The First Championship

Series Prices

  • Eastern Conference Finals: -270
  • Finals: -200


1991-92: The Second Championship

Series Prices

  • Eastern Conference Finals: -650
  • Finals: -250



1992-93: The Third Championship

  • Eastern Conference Finals: -150
  • Finals: -240


1994-95: Jordan Returns From Baseball

Series Price

  • Eastern Conference Semifinals: -185



1995-96: The Fourth Championship

Series Prices

  • Eastern Conference Finals: -500
  • Finals: -950


1996-97: The Fifth Championship

Series Prices

  • Eastern Conference Finals: -500
  • Finals: -600


1997-98: The Last Dance

Series Prices

  • Eastern Conference Finals: -125
  • Finals: -115




Favored every single time, in every series. And lost to Orlando as the favorites in 1995. Now we know who the liar is.
 

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Jordan is a better individual player, Bron is a better team player. Jordan's game was less reliant on his teammates. Both are great.
I disagree, MJ is just the better overall basketball player when you factor in competitiveness and mental toughness. The 6 rings and accomplishments is not even the deciding factor, they both have enough. What separates MJ from Bron is how they respond to tough times, 3 straight playoff loses to the bad boy Pistons made MJ level up and destroyed them, 1995 playoff loss to Shaq’s Magic made MJ level up and destroyed them in 1996, Clyde Drexler comparisons in 1992 etc… Bron on the other hand run to form new super teams when adversity comes his way.
 

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No matter what Bron does…I just cant put him over MJ. I cant describe why, but I just cant. I saw MJs entire career. His presence on the court….it was just different.

Jordan is the best basketball player I've ever seen. I've tried to see all the counterarguments... but he's the one. Also agree the tweet is insipid regardless of who you think it the best. I honestly wasn't even sure what it was trying to convey, it's so poorly conceived.
 

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1990-91 Season: The First Championship

Series Prices

  • Eastern Conference Finals: -270
  • Finals: -200


1991-92: The Second Championship

Series Prices

  • Eastern Conference Finals: -650
  • Finals: -250



1992-93: The Third Championship

  • Eastern Conference Finals: -150
  • Finals: -240


1994-95: Jordan Returns From Baseball

Series Price

  • Eastern Conference Semifinals: -185



1995-96: The Fourth Championship

Series Prices

  • Eastern Conference Finals: -500
  • Finals: -950


1996-97: The Fifth Championship

Series Prices

  • Eastern Conference Finals: -500
  • Finals: -600


1997-98: The Last Dance

Series Prices

  • Eastern Conference Finals: -125
  • Finals: -115




Favored every single time, in every series. And lost to Orlando as the favorites in 1995. Now we know who the liar is.
The Chicago Tribune have them as underdogs in 1998 but I digress. Hard to not be favored if the goat is on the team
 

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I disagree, MJ is just the better overall basketball player when you factor in competitiveness and mental toughness. The 6 rings and accomplishments is not even the deciding factor, they both have enough. What separates MJ from Bron is how they respond to tough times, 3 straight playoff loses to the bad boy Pistons made MJ level up and destroyed them, 1995 playoff loss to Shaq’s Magic made MJ level up and destroyed them in 1996, Clyde Drexler comparisons in 1992 etc… Bron on the other hand run to form new super teams when adversity comes his way.
When I say team player, I mean elevating teammates performance. A lot of players (especially shooters) benefitted greatly from playing with LeBron, more so than they would've playing with Jordan because LeBron's game is more team-oriented as far as his playmaking.
 

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Jordan never had a Finals where Pippen and Grant got hurt and missed virtually all the series

And never played a Finals where the opposing team went and signed another MVP player in their prime to join the MVP player they already had :manny:

These are facts
MJ also never joined up with another player in their prime who won a title before him and who was building a HoF resume before him and who is top 3 all time at their position. Am I referring to KD or LeBron? Or both? :mjgrin:
 

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MJ also never joined up with another player in their prime who won a title before him and who was building a HoF resume before him and who is top 3 all time at their position. Am I referring to KD or LeBron? Or both? :mjgrin:


Why would he go somewhere else to get that when he already had Pippen who was all of those things? :childplease:

Had a legit MVP candidate as a sidekick, the GOAT coach, and the deepest roster but needs credit for not going somewhere else. :dead:
 

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Why would he go somewhere else to get that when he already had Pippen who was all of those things? :childplease:

Had a legit MVP candidate as a sidekick, the GOAT coach, and the deepest roster but needs credit for not going somewhere else. :dead:
Pip is a top 3 SF all time? Top 10, most def. But top 3? Steph is definitely top 3 PG, and wade is definitely top 3 SG. Both Wade and Steph were already champions who were carving out their own HoF careers before KD and LeBrons arrival to their respective teams. Pippens game grew with MJ. Yes, Phil is regarded as one of the goat coaches with the triangle. Much like Erik Spoelstra is considered the best coach in basketball and is already regarded as possibly a top 10-7 coach all time. And the Heat as an organization and Pat as a GM is considered a top end organization. So it’s not like Bron and KD went to a lowly organizations who hadn’t done anything. Much like MJ was in a cozy situation. Only thing, Wade and Steph had higher peaks as the leaders of their respective squads than Pippen did in the retired MJ Bulls years. :manny:
 

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Pip is a top 3 SF all time? Top 10, most def. But top 3? Steph is definitely top 3 PG, and wade is definitely top 3 SG.

Top SF ever at that point were Bird, Dr. J, Baylor, and Pippen. You could put Havlicek in the conversation.

Top SG ever were Jordan, Kobe, West, and Wade. You could put Iverson on the conversation.

So both were clearly top-5, probably top-4, and whether you make one top-3 comes down to subjective arguing about position. Acting like there was some giant gap is ridiculous.




Both Wade and Steph were already champions who were carving out their own HoF careers before KD and LeBrons arrival to their respective teams.

In other words, Wade's best days were already behind him and Bron got barely one year of prime Wade. where MJ got Pippen's entire prime.



Where is the part where you address my point, which is that Jordan has ZERO reason to leave the Bulls when he had an absolutely elite supporting cast and organization?
 

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Top SF ever at that point were Bird, Dr. J, Baylor, and Pippen. You could put Havlicek in the conversation.

Top SG ever were Jordan, Kobe, West, and Wade. You could put Iverson on the conversation.

So both were clearly top-5, probably top-4, and whether you make one top-3 comes down to subjective arguing about position. Acting like there was some giant gap is ridiculous.






In other words, Wade's best days were already behind him and Bron got barely one year of prime Wade. where MJ got Pippen's entire prime.



Where is the part where you address my point, which is that Jordan has ZERO reason to leave the Bulls when he had an absolutely elite supporting cast and organization?
Wade was still a great player in 2012. Even if 2012 was a reduced version of Wade, that one year of prime Wade was still a top end player at his position all time, which depending on the series, outscored LeBron or matched his offensive and defensive output. They were questioning who was the “alpha” that whole season and post season. This was never in question with Pip and MJ. Pip was the lesser player and that’s how the offense ran. Whereas Bron and Wade did a lot of the same things, but at different positions and were basically equals. The person I was responding to said MJ never had to play without Pip and that he never had to face a player who joined another MVP caliber player, as if LeBron didn’t join another MVP caliber player and still ended up coming up short in year one.

And MJ didn’t always have an elite supporting cast. But even then, LeBron didn’t just leave Cleveland to go to a team with a more solid bunch of roleplayers. He literally joined another top 5 player, and possibly top 25 all time player and a 3rd banana all star. This wasn’t simply a player leaving for a better opportunity. He formed a super team of prime all stars. MJ never “had” to do that. But I don’t think he could’ve. Even when they were struggling in the 80s. :yeshrug:
 
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