Jordan stans really don't know shyt about ball
MJ is the GOAT and this tweet just proves it : mindblown:
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lol, the way y'all twist the narrative for your agenda is wild.
MJ didn't "level up and destroy" Shaq's Magic. The Bulls realized the team wasn't good enough and went out to get a third All-NBA player so they could beat a team that only had two. You know, the exact same thing you're criticizing Bron for. That and major Orlando injuries were the difference, not some imaginary "level up".
Same with Detroit. Why didn't MJ "level up" after the first loss? Or the second loss? He had to wait until the Pistons were degraded and weren't even expected to do anything before he finally beat them (IT was hurt all year and on a strong downward trajectory while Aguirre, Laimbeer, Edwards, and Vinnie were all on their last legs.) Not to mention Pippen and Grant improving.... why don't they get the credit?
Now, Bron DID level up and beat Detroit after his first loss, why didn't you give him credit for that? He got revenge much faster than MJ did and with a much more impressive performance.
Same as he leveled up and beat Golden State after the first loss, why no credit for that?
Same as how he responded to the devestating Dallas loss by turning around and winning two titles in a row. Isn't that a good response to adversity?
When he went down 2-1 to the Pacers, with Bosh out and Wade getting his knee drained, did he give up? Nah, he dropped a 40-18-9 masterpiece on their heads.
When he went down 3-2 to the Celtics and had to go back to Boston, did he check out? Nah, he pulled off one of the best-played games in playoff history.
When the Spurs had him 3-2 and were up 10 going into the 4th, did he mail it in? Nah, he dropped 17 in the last quarter with suffocating defense. Even when they were still down 5 with 20 seconds left in their season, he didn't give up.
How about when Love went down in the 2015 playoffs... then Kyrie got hurt.. then Rose hit the game-winner to put Chicago up 2-1 and they were on the verge of losing Game 4 too... when did he give up? Even when the Warriors tore their hearts out in overtime of Game 1 and Kyrie went down for good, did he stop trying, or did he pull off some of the guttiest games in Finals history?
Did he give up down 3-1 to a 73-win Warriors team, or did he pull off the greatest comeback in Finals history?
When ownership gave up on the team in 2018 and refused to make a try at a title run, did he follow their lead and quit? Nah, he put together the single greatest run of 40-point games in playoff history and willed that team to the Finals, then dropped 50 on a superteam's head.
Even this year, when they started the year 2-10, did he give up? Or when they were stuck in 12th place and AD went down, did he call it a season? When he game back from injury still playing on a fukked up foot and with damn near every game a must win, did he give in to the pain?
Bron has been as good at responding to adversity as any player ever has. Y'all literally just hate him because he took the roster into his own hands instead of waiting for some boss to do it for him.
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Flywin Lannister
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20 people who definitely did not see MJ play.
It's popular to go against the grain, I get it.
But anybody who doesn't say MJ is not the GOAT is not being serious and didn't watch him play in real time.
This is not even an opinion.
Funny thing is, I can remember watching Jordan play in real time in the 1980s and early 1990s and many people said he wasn't the GOAT. He had many who said he was the GOAT too, but there was no consensus about it until his second run. So you're obviously full of it.
Yeah, Jordan was impressive. But the human mind is incredible at forming a narrative and then adjusting everything past and present to fit. The idea that MJ was some sort of indisputable GOAT and all you had to do was see him on the court to knows that, that's literally just a psychological narrative that your brain chooses from emotion or groupthink and then searches for evidence to fit. It has far more to do with what you want to believe than with any objective reality.
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murksiderock
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Because Bron was The Dynasty. Won 3 titles in 5 years, if a team does that, we call them a dynasty. Won 4 titles in 9 years, if a team does that, we call them a dynasty...
Funny thing is the Spurs did both ('03, '05, '07 for the 3-in-5; add '99 for the 4-in-9) and whichever window you prefer, the Spurs are universally regarded as a dynasty...
LeBron was actually even more dominant than them as a team as he had more Finals and conference finals appearances...
Hes the only 1-man dynasty in the history of basketball. Thats a legacy point Mike, who never won a title without one specifix coach and one specific #2, doesn't have...
MJ also never joined up with another player in their prime who won a title before him and who was building a HoF resume before him and who is top 3 all time at their position. Am I referring to KD or LeBron? Or both?
Wade was 4 years removed from that championship when LeBron got there and 6 years removed fron that championship when Miami won in '12. The Heat were not a championship organization when he got there and without two GOAT10 guys next to him, the only team Wade has ever beat in the playoffs are the Charlotte franchise, inarguably the worst NBA franchise of all time. Wade is not like that---->but those GOAT10 guys sure led title runs without him...Pip is a top 3 SF all time? Top 10, most def. But top 3? Steph is definitely top 3 PG, and wade is definitely top 3 SG. Both Wade and Steph were already champions who were carving out their own HoF careers before KD and LeBrons arrival to their respective teams. Pippens game grew with MJ. Yes, Phil is regarded as one of the goat coaches with the triangle. Much like Erik Spoelstra is considered the best coach in basketball and is already regarded as possibly a top 10-7 coach all time. And the Heat as an organization and Pat as a GM is considered a top end organization. So it’s not like Bron and KD went to a lowly organizations who hadn’t done anything. Much like MJ was in a cozy situation. Only thing, Wade and Steph had higher peaks as the leaders of their respective squads than Pippen did in the retired MJ Bulls years.
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The Heat as an organization have been to finals before and after LeBron. And have made multiple conference finals before and after LeBron. Wade as an individual player was carrying 16 win Heat rosters to 47 wins respectively. While LeBron was leading Cleveland to 60 win season, he was constantly losing in the playoffs and didn’t get to his 2nd finals until he sided with Wade and Bosh. Miami, Pat, Wade and Spo’s influence on LeBron can’t be understated. Especially considering Spo’s implementation of the space-and-pace small ball offense and encouraging LeBron to play the 4, is what added a new dimension to LeBrons game.
As for Wade, he is definitely LIKE THAT, considering he played with two Goats and outshined both of them for the duration of a whole post season. What other players have played with LeBron and Shaq and had statistical outputs either on their level or beyond their level? Since you like to look at what Wade failed to do without Shaq, what did Shaq do after wade? Hell, what did Shaq do without Phil Jackson, Pat Riley, Kobe, or Prime healthy Penny Hardaway? Why does wades accomplishments have to take a backseat or defer to Shaqs presence on the team, when every “sidekick” Shaq played with maintained their level of play after he left expect for post knee injury Penny?
How is it that a player can lad their team in scoring and almost every drastically category and still have their run deferred to the player who did less?
Only thing I’ve gotten from this thread is, Jordan relied on Pippen, and that LeBron won titles with “ok” players.
The revisionist history and downplaying of the skills of anyone LeBron plays with, will always be a hallmark of Bron stannery.
murksiderock
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Wade Stannery is worse, this nikka supposedly taught someone else hoe to win when he was actively losing himself when they linked upThe Heat as an organization have been to finals before and after LeBron. And have made multiple conference finals before and after LeBron. Wade as an individual player was carrying 16 win Heat rosters to 47 wins respectively. While LeBron was leading Cleveland to 60 win season, he was constantly losing in the playoffs and didn’t get to his 2nd finals until he sided with Wade and Bosh. Miami, Pat, Wade and Spo’s influence on LeBron can’t be understated. Especially considering Spo’s implementation of the space-and-pace small ball offense and encouraging LeBron to play the 4, is what added a new dimension to LeBrons game.
As for Wade, he is definitely LIKE THAT, considering he played with two Goats and outshined both of them for the duration of a whole post season. What other players have played with LeBron and Shaq and had statistical outputs either on their level or beyond their level? Since you like to look at what Wade failed to do without Shaq, what did Shaq do after wade? Hell, what did Shaq do without Phil Jackson, Pat Riley, Kobe, or Prime healthy Penny Hardaway? Why does wades accomplishments have to take a backseat or defer to Shaqs presence on the team, when every “sidekick” Shaq played with maintained their level of play after he left expect for post knee injury Penny?
How is it that a player can lad their team in scoring and almost every drastically category and still have their run deferred to the player who did less?
Only thing I’ve gotten from this thread is, Jordan relied on Pippen, and that LeBron won titles with “ok” players.
The revisionist history and downplaying of the skills of anyone LeBron plays with, will always be a hallmark of Bron stannery.
...I respect Wade. I just feel he's way overstated as to his position in The League historically. Wade Stans and Bron haters will tell you there was a time that Wade was a better player than Bron, that never happened. Wade Stans overlook how this nikka went missing in that Dallas series too, because it's easier to throw the blame on Bron---->and I've been clear on this many times, Bron is deserving for the smoke he caught, but if Wade was like that how do you allow 3 straight losses?
Wade Stans have said there was a time Wade was better than Kobe, yhat never happened. Wade Stans downplay the experience factor and attention Shaq brought to Miami that gave Wade the lane to take the reins. Wade Stans tell us Miami was still a "winning organization" in 2010. On and on with you guys
...I have love for Wade when we talk about him in terms of where he rightfully lands. At his peak he was a Top 5 player, amazing athlete, great wing defender, great scorer...
Look at the teams they played on. Steph's core included another all-star/all-NBA guard, a DPOY, and a FMVP off the bench and Wade had Shaq who made it to the finals in 5 of the last 7 years at that point while Pippen was playing with Horace Grant and BJ Armstrong. Despite that, Pippen led the Bulls to two less wins than they had in the previous Jordan-led season and a relatively deep playoff run. You don't think he could have had similar success as Wade and Curry if Jordan was replaced with the support they had?Pip is a top 3 SF all time? Top 10, most def. But top 3? Steph is definitely top 3 PG, and wade is definitely top 3 SG. Both Wade and Steph were already champions who were carving out their own HoF careers before KD and LeBrons arrival to their respective teams. Pippens game grew with MJ. Yes, Phil is regarded as one of the goat coaches with the triangle. Much like Erik Spoelstra is considered the best coach in basketball and is already regarded as possibly a top 10-7 coach all time. And the Heat as an organization and Pat as a GM is considered a top end organization. So it’s not like Bron and KD went to a lowly organizations who hadn’t done anything. Much like MJ was in a cozy situation. Only thing, Wade and Steph had higher peaks as the leaders of their respective squads than Pippen did in the retired MJ Bulls years.
I mean, let's be honest here, @Rhakim displays the exact kind of tendencies when it comes to Bron. The only real difference is MJ stans are unabashedly direct about it, whereas Bron stans try to come across as more level-headed to fool folks when really they're cut from the same cloth.@Rhakim bro this thread shows why I hate Jordan stans
They just live in their own world and act like Jordan is a superhero
Bozo said "Jordan leveled up"
If there's one thing that is at least respectable (for lack of a better word) about MJ and Kobe stans, is that they don't fake the funk. They don't try to trick you. They're upfront with their language and intent.
Well, on this board, anyway.
Like this is Dragon Ball Z and he just had to go Super Saiyan in order to win.@Rhakim bro this thread shows why I hate Jordan stans
They just live in their own world and act like Jordan is a superhero
Bozo said "Jordan leveled up"
It really is nostalgia, that's what I've come to realize a long ass time ago. Anyone who doesn't acknowledge that either can be the GOAT at this point shouldn't be taken seriously in any basketball related discussion
When you got people like Stephen A Smith or Skip Bayless who are the 2 biggest sports media members in the business, saying that "there's NOTHING LeBron can do to supplant Jordan!!" and "I have LeBron #9 on my all time list" it basically just highlights that basketball has WOAT-tier evaluations that spill over to mainstream
