MJ is the GOAT and this tweet just proves it : mindblown:

[Art Barr]

Finals “game.” The point is, theres never a finals to be had without Pippen, period. Lebron proved he could at least make it to a finals without a star. MJ teams couldn’t even reach 50 wins without Pippen.

Im guessing your response will be baggage laden and bytch made personal. I dont care.

lebron went with z. who was the second coming of sabonis on paper.

stop.
bron just did not mesh with his killer roster. nor did he provide the type of chemistry. where players with social dysfunction could flourish as the team leader. something magic whom bron is supposed to be the second coming did.

yet people give passes in all these comparison. then try to flodge and bring up a bunch of deflection and bullshyt.

art barr

 

[Art Barr]

LeBron WAS the dynasty, bro. None of these teams he went to were worth a damn when he got there...

Phil Jackson didn't do shyt before Mike but certainly had success IMMEDIATELY after, so we know Mike wasn't the biggest driver of his success, dude can coach. Meanwhile the most successful coach Bron brought a title to is Spoelstra, who took 6 years to return to The Finals post-Bron, and is now in his 9th year seeking a title post-Bron...

Bron left Spo and was in The Finals the very next year, and won another title the year after that.......and won another coach a title after that...

Phil and Mike went their separate ways and two years later Phil was a champion again, Mike played 7 of his 15 years without Phil and never won a playoff series...

bolded is misinformed never dug in the crate face ass cap.


stop.

breh.

y'all got the fukk'n internet to fact check your bullshyt.
this is not a barbershop in the fifites without no way to check your content.
get y'all shyt together and stop cap'n.

y'all gen misappropriated words that say exactly what y'all be doing or how you cap'n.
so stop ack'n like these words don't exist and the internet does not exist.
there is a way to fact check yo bullshyt,....
so stop flodge'n and cap'n.

art barr

 

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[murksiderock]

bolded is misinformed never dug in the crate face ass cap.


stop.

breh.

y'all got the fukk'n internet to fact check your bullshyt.
this is not a barbershop in the fifites without no way to check your content.
get y'all shyt together and stop cap'n.

y'all gen misappropriated words that say exactly what y'all be doing or how you cap'n.
so stop ack'n like these words don't exist and the internet does not exist.
there is a way to fact check yo bullshyt,....
so stop flodge'n and cap'n.

art barr

You're right, he's 3-5 in his playoff career without Phil. What I mixed was he's winless without Pippen...

That 3-5 record without Phil isn't impressive...

 

[Bop Gun]

LeBron WAS the dynasty, bro. None of these teams he went to were worth a damn when he got there...

Miami WON a Title before LeBron went there. Lead by a young D Wade, who had two Historically Great Series that Playoffs against Detroit and in the Finals against Dallas.

Don't spread lies to suit your agenda.

Phil Jackson didn't do shyt before Mike but certainly had success IMMEDIATELY after, so we know Mike wasn't the biggest driver of his success, dude can coach. Meanwhile the most successful coach Bron brought a title to is Spoelstra, who took 6 years to return to The Finals post-Bron, and is now in his 9th year seeking a title post-Bron...

C'mon now. Any Coach would have won with Shaq and Kobe. And let's be honest, they didn't dominate anyone, and arguably had a weak Championship run (Young Pacers, Sixers and Nets). Got embarrassed against a real team in Detroit.

Spoelstra had to deal with the aftermath of everybody leaving Miami because of LeBron. Built a team up from scratch, and got back to the Finals, and looking to go again this year. He is a good Coach.

Bron left Spo and was in The Finals the very next year, and won another title the year after that.......and won another coach a title after that...

Bron left because he knew he wasn't going to live up to those "Heatles Title after Title" aspirations they made up when he first got there.

Phil and Mike went their separate ways and two years later Phil was a champion again, Mike played 7 of his 15 years without Phil and never won a playoff series...

So, you and @Rhakim think MJ was supposed to just enter the League and dominate EVERYONE, immediately? Stop the bullshyt.

As we all see, once MJ hit his stride, it was OVER for the rest of the League. He retired, came back and got another 3-Peat before retiring again.

 

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@Art Barr back spitting game

 

[10bandz]

LeGBT going crazy

 

[beenz]

MJ "retired" 20 years ago and he's treated like he's still playing

What's the Coli thoughts on this post?

I don't need a 2023 tweet to tell me what I've already known for decades now

 

[Sunalmighty]

Funny thing is, I can remember watching Jordan play in real time in the 1980s and early 1990s and many people said he wasn't the GOAT. He had many who said he was the GOAT too, but there was no consensus about it until his second run. So you're obviously full of it.

Yeah, Jordan was impressive. But the human mind is incredible at forming a narrative and then adjusting everything past and present to fit. The idea that MJ was some sort of indisputable GOAT and all you had to do was see him on the court to knows that, that's literally just a psychological narrative that your brain chooses from emotion or groupthink and then searches for evidence to fit. It has far more to do with what you want to believe than with any objective reality.

how old are you?

 

[NYC Rebel]

No matter what Bron does, MJ will be the GOAT in my eyes. I did t like how dude operated but I saw his career. Only player with his level of individual dominance Ive ever seen like him was Lawrence Taylor and Rakim.

I do think Bron game and use of teammates from suspect to good makes him a more instant win that he carries on his play.

 

[Copy Ninja]

No matter what Bron does, MJ will be the GOAT in my eyes. I did t like how dude operated but I saw his career. Only player with his level of individual dominance Ive ever seen like him was Lawrence Taylor and Rakim.

This.

Only other athlete on par with Jordan's dominance is Tiger.

Jordan's peak is never gonna be matched. Tiger's peak will never be matched.

 

[Sunalmighty]

This.

Only other athlete on par with Jordan's dominance is Tiger.

Jordan's peak is never gonna be matched. Tiger's peak will never be matched.

Facts.

We were all witnesses

 

[fifth column]

I think you're just a moron who isn't able to think critically in these discussions



I really don't know why @Rhakim is wasting his time trying to change the mind of someone who moves goalposts

You just a Bron sycophant with little to offer discussion wise so foh

 

[PS5 Pro]

Rodman was voted All-NBA a couple months before the Bulls got him. Everyone knew how good he was. The only issue was that he was feuding with Spurs coaches and had arguably quit during the '95 playoffs, but his impact on the court was elite. Bulls got lucky that every other contender already had an established starter or even star at PF (Kemp on Sonics, Malone on Jazz, Grant on Magic, Oakley on Knicks, Antonio/Dale Davis on Pacers), so they were the only win-now team with a gaping need there.

You sir are taking out the real world aspect of Dennis Rodman which is something you can do with normal ppl who don't get into trouble.
Its like.. look at Ja Morant. If he was Dillion Brooks and he getting gun charges then most teams wouldn't want to mess with him moving forward.
Dennis obviously is better than Dillion but offensively he was ass. Dillion is OK offensively (not good but ok) so imagine Dillon doing way more fukk shyt than he does now? That's what Dennis Rodman was alllll about. No, teams was not lining up to grab him.No team wanted him. or there would have been a biding war to get him so
And it was work to get him to be what he was even in Chicago. Lets hear from the goat/horse...

I dunno about Kukoc being "interchangeable". There weren't many 6'10" forwards at the time with easy range to 3pt who could give you 15-17ppg as the third option. Longley was 7'2", 270lbs with the size to guard every big center in the league yet also the midrange to space the floor without plugging up the lane. Steve Kerr lead the NBA in 3pt shooting before he ever got to Chicago. Ron Harper was a very good player and regular 20ppg scorer before he came to Chicago. It was a huge advantage for the Bulls to have that crew as their #4, #5, #6, and #7 options in an era where most teams only had 2 stars at most and were trash past their 4th or 5th guys.

Most people can't tell you what teams these people played for other than chicago. And Ron Harper being a 20ppg guy is felonious, reign at the top was shorter than leprechauns. Kukoc after Jordan was Kerr. Like, you trying to say Kerr and Ron were irreplaceable? They got replaced But ok...

Pippen alone is far better than any thing lebron had in his first Cavs stint BY FAR and you know it.

We not even talking about Lebron here But if you wanna Lump Lebron in this part of the convo.. Yeah Jordan was better.
Lebron with any of his teams get slaughtered by Jordan and the bulls. Lebron's best team he played on is in Miami, right?
They lost to Dallas... then won a couple. That Dallas team loses to every team Chicago beat in the finals, and they lose to the 3 teams who went to the finals the two years MJ retired.All time greats don't have titles because of MJ, everyone gets a title during the Lebron era

 

[Art Barr]

You're right, he's 3-5 in his playoff career without Phil. What I mixed was he's winless without Pippen...

That 3-5 record without Phil isn't impressive...

Miami WON a Title before LeBron went there. Lead by a young D Wade, who had two Historically Great Series that Playoffs against Detroit and in the Finals against Dallas.

Don't spread lies to suit your agenda.

C'mon now. Any Coach would have won with Shaq and Kobe. And let's be honest, they didn't dominate anyone, and arguably had a weak Championship run (Young Pacers, Sixers and Nets). Got embarrassed against a real team in Detroit.

Spoelstra had to deal with the aftermath of everybody leaving Miami because of LeBron. Built a team up from scratch, and got back to the Finals, and looking to go again this year. He is a good Coach.

Bron left because he knew he wasn't going to live up to those "Heatles Title after Title" aspirations they made up when he first got there.

So, you and @Rhakim think MJ was supposed to just enter the League and dominate EVERYONE, immediately? Stop the bullshyt.

As we all see, once MJ hit his stride, it was OVER for the rest of the League. He retired, came back and got another 3-Peat before retiring again.

@Rhakim

got tabled't tha fukk up here.

Yet you were focused entirely on Mo Williams, who played just 2 seasons with Bron, and Antawn Jamison, who was there for just 25 games. While you claimed that Oakley was Jordan's best offensive teammate before Pippen as if Woolridge and Gervin didn't even exist.

You don't see the hypocrisy?



There was literally just ONE YEAR between when Woolridge/Gervin left the Bulls and Pippen/Grant joined the team. And you tried to make it out like that 1 year was the roster for that entire era.

1985: MJ 28ppg, Woolridge 23ppg, Dailey 15ppg, Johnson 10ppg, Corzine 9ppg
1986: MJ 23ppg, Woolridge 21ppg, Gervin 16ppg, Green 14ppg, Banks 11ppg, Oakley 10ppg, Corzine 10ppg
1987: MJ 37ppg, Oakley 15ppg, Paxson 11ppg, Banks 10ppg, Corzine 9ppg
1988: MJ 35ppg, Oakley 12ppg, Vincent 13ppg, Corzine 10ppg, Paxson 8ppg, Pippen 8ppg, Grant 8ppg
1989: MJ 32ppg, Pippen 14ppg, Grant 12ppg, Cartwright 12ppg, Hodges 10ppg, Vincent 9ppg, Paxson 7ppg
1990: MJ 34ppg, Pippen 17ppg, Grant 13ppg, Cartwright 11ppg, Paxson 10ppg, King 9ppg, Hodges 7ppg, Armstrong 6ppg


Oakley, Cartwright, Grant, Armstrong, Gervin, and Pippen all made all-star games at some point in their career, just like Antawn and Mo Williams. Orlando Woolridge never made an all-star team but he was likely better than Mo or Antawn too. Oakley, Pippen, and Grant were all great defenders in addition to their scoring, while Paxson, Hodges, and Armstrong could shoot the shyt out of the ball.

Claiming that Jordan played with such terrible scrubs that he never had any chance to carry anyone is just dumb revisionism. Was Zydrunas any better than Oakley? Was John Paxson inferior to Boobie Gibson? Do names like Drew Gooden, washed Eric Snow, and Sasha Pavlovic stand head and shoulders above those names on MJ's list?

You never watched or dug in the crate on basketball.

In the same manner.
you never dug in the crate.
for hiphop and named a flaug'n version of @Rhakim .

nikka tried to boost orlando woolridge. who was garbage and exposed when one was injured. That woolridge was too busy hating on an injured jordan. instead of re-seizing the day on his failing exposed career. After woolridge's rookie productuon and skill on rhe depth chart was exposed. after Mike got there as a rookie.

More proof you only skim and headfake.

The shyt hilarious watching and reading the flaug'n y'all do.





Art Barr