MJ is the GOAT and this tweet just proves it : mindblown:

[Jigganaut]

Man if you ain't at least 40 i don't want to hear shyt from you bout no damn MJ. That nikka nba trump

 

[b. woods]

I mean, let's be honest here, @Rhakim displays the exact kind of tendencies when it comes to Bron. The only real difference is MJ stans are unabashedly direct about it, whereas Bron stans try to come across as more level-headed to fool folks when really they're cut from the same cloth.

If there's one thing that is at least respectable (for lack of a better word) about MJ and Kobe stans, is that they don't fake the funk. They don't try to trick you. They're upfront with their language and intent.

Well, on this board, anyway.

One group of stans should NEVER try to act like they are above another group of stans, since ALL forms of stans are unreasonable and irrational to begin with.

 

[Bop Gun]

I dunno about Kukoc being "interchangeable". There weren't many 6'10" forwards at the time with easy range to 3pt who could give you 15-17ppg as the third option. Longley was 7'2", 270lbs with the size to guard every big center in the league yet also the midrange to space the floor without plugging up the lane. Steve Kerr lead the NBA in 3pt shooting before he ever got to Chicago. Ron Harper was a very good player and regular 20ppg scorer before he came to Chicago. It was a huge advantage for the Bulls to have that crew as their #4, #5, #6, and #7 options in an era where most teams only had 2 stars at most and were trash past their 4th or 5th guys.

So now the Bulls had a Big 7? You would get thrown out of every Black Barbershop in America with your MJ shyt takes

LeBron is the epitome of "I'm taking my ball and leaving" when the first sign of adversity shows.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Jordan stans

 

[fifth column]

lol, the way y'all twist the narrative for your agenda is wild.


MJ didn't "level up and destroy" Shaq's Magic. The Bulls realized the team wasn't good enough and went out to get a third All-NBA player so they could beat a team that only had two. You know, the exact same thing you're criticizing Bron for. That and major Orlando injuries were the difference, not some imaginary "level up".


Same with Detroit. Why didn't MJ "level up" after the first loss? Or the second loss? He had to wait until the Pistons were degraded and weren't even expected to do anything before he finally beat them (IT was hurt all year and on a strong downward trajectory while Aguirre, Laimbeer, Edwards, and Vinnie were all on their last legs.) Not to mention Pippen and Grant improving.... why don't they get the credit?



Now, Bron DID level up and beat Detroit after his first loss, why didn't you give him credit for that? He got revenge much faster than MJ did and with a much more impressive performance.

Same as he leveled up and beat Golden State after the first loss, why no credit for that?

Same as how he responded to the devestating Dallas loss by turning around and winning two titles in a row. Isn't that a good response to adversity?

When he went down 2-1 to the Pacers, with Bosh out and Wade getting his knee drained, did he give up? Nah, he dropped a 40-18-9 masterpiece on their heads.

When he went down 3-2 to the Celtics and had to go back to Boston, did he check out? Nah, he pulled off one of the best-played games in playoff history.

When the Spurs had him 3-2 and were up 10 going into the 4th, did he mail it in? Nah, he dropped 17 in the last quarter with suffocating defense. Even when they were still down 5 with 20 seconds left in their season, he didn't give up.

How about when Love went down in the 2015 playoffs... then Kyrie got hurt.. then Rose hit the game-winner to put Chicago up 2-1 and they were on the verge of losing Game 4 too... when did he give up? Even when the Warriors tore their hearts out in overtime of Game 1 and Kyrie went down for good, did he stop trying, or did he pull off some of the guttiest games in Finals history?

Did he give up down 3-1 to a 73-win Warriors team, or did he pull off the greatest comeback in Finals history?

When ownership gave up on the team in 2018 and refused to make a try at a title run, did he follow their lead and quit? Nah, he put together the single greatest run of 40-point games in playoff history and willed that team to the Finals, then dropped 50 on a superteam's head.

Even this year, when they started the year 2-10, did he give up? Or when they were stuck in 12th place and AD went down, did he call it a season? When he game back from injury still playing on a fukked up foot and with damn near every game a must win, did he give in to the pain?


Bron has been as good at responding to adversity as any player ever has. Y'all literally just hate him because he took the roster into his own hands instead of waiting for some boss to do it for him.

Doth protest too much

 

[fifth column]

Because Bron was The Dynasty. Won 3 titles in 5 years, if a team does that, we call them a dynasty. Won 4 titles in 9 years, if a team does that, we call them a dynasty...

Funny thing is the Spurs did both ('03, '05, '07 for the 3-in-5; add '99 for the 4-in-9) and whichever window you prefer, the Spurs are universally regarded as a dynasty...

LeBron was actually even more dominant than them as a team as he had more Finals and conference finals appearances...

Hes the only 1-man dynasty in the history of basketball. Thats a legacy point Mike, who never won a title without one specifix coach and one specific #2, doesn't have...



Wade was 4 years removed from that championship when LeBron got there and 6 years removed fron that championship when Miami won in '12. The Heat were not a championship organization when he got there and without two GOAT10 guys next to him, the only team Wade has ever beat in the playoffs are the Charlotte franchise, inarguably the worst NBA franchise of all time. Wade is not like that---->but those GOAT10 guys sure led title runs without him...

A dynasty is a dominant team with multiple chips 3+ with a core led by an all time great. There is no dynasty if the people can’t see your struggle then triumphs with the team. Bron ran from super team to super team so miss me with the 1-man bs, he’s a mercenary. Not surprised since you are the minister of Lepropaganda on the coli and your mans @Rhakim is the minister of Lerevisionist history on here.

 

[murksiderock]

A dynasty is a dominant team with multiple chips 3+ with a core led by an all time great. There is no dynasty if the people can’t see your struggle then triumphs with the team. Bron ran from super team to super team so miss me with the 1-man bs, he’s a mercenary. Not surprised since you are the minister of Lepropaganda on the coli and your mans @Rhakim is the minister of Lerevisionist history on here.

LeBron was malleable enough to fit various cores around him and win with them, which is akin to a team rebuilding with multiple playstyles abd winning titles with all. Because Miami and Cleveland and Los Angeles were all different teams but all won a championship with LeBron as the fulcrum. He was the system...

Meanwhile your boy never even showed he could win a playoff series, just one, without Phil Jackson putting him in his place and designing everything just perfectly for him. Your boy is overrated as fukk...

 

[qashif]

the bait is too enticing for these MJ haters

 

[fifth column]

LeBron was malleable enough to fit various cores around him and win with them, which is akin to a team rebuilding with multiple playstyles abd winning titles with all. Because Miami and Cleveland and Los Angeles were all different teams but all won a championship with LeBron as the fulcrum. He was the system...

Meanwhile your boy never even showed he could win a playoff series, just one, without Phil Jackson putting him in his place and designing everything just perfectly for him. Your boy is overrated as fukk...

So your opinion is that MJ was overrated as a basketball player Why is your “goat” chasing overrated playersBTW what was the great Phil Jackson doing before he coached MJ?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

LeBron is the epitome of "I'm taking my ball and leaving" when the first sign of adversity shows.

Except for the fact that I gave dozens of examples where the opposite happened.

You're talking someone who played 11 seasons with the worst franchise in basketball, who never refused to play where he was drafted, who never forced his way out of a contract, who never played less than 4 seasons with a team. There are several GOATs who can't say the same.

There is no dynasty if the people can’t see your struggle then triumphs with the team.

So Russell, Bird, Magic, Duncan didn't have dynasties then? All of them joined elite talent and then won in the first or second year, same as Bron.

 

[fifth column]

Except for the fact that I gave dozens of examples where the opposite happened.

You're talking someone who played 11 seasons with the worst franchise in basketball, who never refused to play where he was drafted, who never forced his way out of a contract, who never played less than 4 seasons with a team. There are several GOATs who can't say the same.






So Russell, Bird, Magic, Duncan didn't have dynasties then? All of them joined elite talent and then won in the first or second year, same as Bron.

Not the same as Bron, Bron was on several failed wanabe dynasties. Russell, Bird, Magic, Duncan won early but still had struggles that forged their team dynasty overtime. A dynasty isn’t made with 1 ring unless you telling me they joined a team that already won multiple rings, your point is irrelevant

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Not the same as Bron, Bron was on several failed wanabe dynasties. Russell, Bird, Magic, Duncan won early but still had struggles that forged their team dynasty overtime. A dynasty isn’t made with 1 ring unless you telling me they joined a team that already won multiple rings, your point is irrelevant

You keep changing your rules, which makes it seem like you're just making them up on the fly. Did people not see Bron's struggles on those teams and how he overcame the struggles, both in previous season and then during the season?

You mostly seem to blame Bron for never having lucked into young superstar talent, so he could never have a long run with someone just starting out. Hard to see how that's his fault.

 

[fifth column]

You keep changing your rules, which makes it seem like you're just making them up on the fly. Did people not see Bron's struggles on those teams and how he overcame the struggles, both in previous season and then during the season?

You mostly seem to blame Bron for never having lucked into young superstar talent, so he could never have a long run with someone just starting out. Hard to see how that's his fault.

My point is that Bron never led a dynasty, his struggles are irrelevant if it didn’t lead to a dynasty team. Bron is a mercenary which has worked out successfully for him. We are in a round hole/square peg discussion

 

[jaydawg08]

My point is that Bron never led a dynasty, his struggles are irrelevant if it didn’t lead to a dynasty team. Bron is a mercenary which has worked out successfully for him. We are in a round hole/square peg discussion

I think you're just a moron who isn't able to think critically in these discussions



I really don't know why @Rhakim is wasting his time trying to change the mind of someone who moves goalposts

 

[murksiderock]

So your opinion is that MJ was overrated as a basketball player Why is your “goat” chasing overrated playersBTW what was the great Phil Jackson doing before he coached MJ?

My point is that Bron never led a dynasty, his struggles are irrelevant if it didn’t lead to a dynasty team. Bron is a mercenary which has worked out successfully for him. We are in a round hole/square peg discussion

LeBron WAS the dynasty, bro. None of these teams he went to were worth a damn when he got there...

Phil Jackson didn't do shyt before Mike but certainly had success IMMEDIATELY after, so we know Mike wasn't the biggest driver of his success, dude can coach. Meanwhile the most successful coach Bron brought a title to is Spoelstra, who took 6 years to return to The Finals post-Bron, and is now in his 9th year seeking a title post-Bron...

Bron left Spo and was in The Finals the very next year, and won another title the year after that.......and won another coach a title after that...

Phil and Mike went their separate ways and two years later Phil was a champion again, Mike played 7 of his 15 years without Phil and never won a playoff series...