NBPA Will Seek Lower Age Limit

[I.V.]

Age limits don't benefit the players. Period.

There is no logical argument otherwise. I actually find it interesting that with all of the progressive views Silver has on the league, he wants to raise the limit.

 

[Jplaya2023]

Age limits has always been about control. Lower the age limit to 18 and let the strong survive.

I like what CBB is trying to do with expanding the time you have to declare another 5 weeks as kids evaluate their draft status without losing their eligibility.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12459854/proposal-nba-ncaa-nabc-move-draft-withdrawal-date

 

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

For starters, the situations of these dudes aren't all desperate and a kid with some athletic potential is gonna have it better than a less talented counterpart. As I said before, it's not like they will never get into the league. You gotta wait years to come up out the hood as a doctor, lawyer, engineer etc. with far less support, access, and opportunities, so we need to stop being so dramatic about this. I'm all for guys being able to capitalize on their likeness in college as well.

The league was actually more competitive in those days because the talent was more condensed on fewer teams. The best 4 year players aren't more successful today because the most talented players don't stay for four years. Talent is indeed talent, that is why such comparisons are silly.

Other sports either have minor league systems to help guys that aren't ready develop or they don't allow guys into until they are more developed. I'm all for the NBA doing either of those two things.

Dude, there is no age limit to being a doctor, a lawyer, etc. . .

The limit is EDUCATION. If you graduate from high-school at 12, theoretically speaking you COULD be a doctor at 19 or whatever. It's not an AGE limit, it's a SKILL limit.

Also, the guys who are doctors, lawyers, engineers, etc. . . aren't generating BILLIONS of dollars while working for free to whoever. The kids need the medical schools more than the medical schools need them.

In sports, the institutions need the athletes more than they need them, which is why nobody else in the world has an absurd system like this.

The 18 year olds have the SKILL to do the job, which is why they allow 18 year olds from Europe to play in the NBA, just not American born ones, duh.

I'm not against a minor league. I thought that's what the NBDL was supposed to be fore?

Why can't kids come straight out of high-school and play 1 or 2 years in the NBDL?

Why do they have to go be exploited by the NCAA.

Also, if talent is talent, then you just destroyed your own argument. LeBron is LeBron and a top 10 player ever. Kobe is Kobe and is a top 10 player ever.

Pervis Ellison, Larue Martin, Michael Olowokandi, etc. . . no matter how long they stayed in college were ever going to be good players, so it really doesn't matter whether or not guys go to college or not, they're going to be great based on their talent level, not on some lame ass "college" shyt. The Foreign players who are professionals at 16 prove that. Tony Parker and Dirk Nowitzki never spent a day in college and nobody accused them of "not being mature".

The difference seems to me that guys just develop earlier today, if anything. Kevin Durant, Derrick Rose, Anthony Davis, Kobe Bryant, and LeBron James were better at 21, then virtually anybody was who ever came into the NBA at 22. Dudes develop earlier.

Age limits don't benefit the players. Period.

There is no logical argument otherwise. I actually find it interesting that with all of the progressive views Silver has on the league, he wants to raise the limit.

LeBron, Kobe, Amare, etc. . . all benefited from being able to start the clock on their careers earlier and get more max contracts.

Guy who's 18 signs 3 year contract and then is able to get a max contract at 21.

Guy who's 21 signs a 3 year contract and won't be able to get a max contract until 24

Why is that hard to understand?

 

[I.V.]

Guy who's 18 signs 3 year contract and then is able to get a max contract at 21.

Guy who's 21 signs a 3 year contract and won't be able to get a max contract until 24

Why is that hard to understand?

Some people just don't get it. They think what's "best for basketball" (as if that notion itself isn't a patronizing farce) is best for everyone.

I'd say "grow up" to anyone that argues that way... but maybe they just need more time in college.

 

[Dwight Howard]

If they want to help the d-League out...lower the age limit to 17. Then allow teams to designate players to a d-league squad for x amount of time on cheap ass deals, basically like the baseball system.

 

[mastermind]

Some people just don't get it. They think what's "best for basketball" (as if that notion itself isn't a patronizing farce) is best for everyone.

I'd say "grow up" to anyone that argues that way... but maybe they just need more time in college.

exactly

No one is saying everyone should run to the NBA or pro leagues, and im sure not all 18 year prospects will. But why is it "best for basketball" to force someone to attend college? Shoot, why is it best for basketball if an unprepared player runs to the NBA and does not get drafted or fails?

Pervis Ellison, Larue Martin, Michael Olowokandi, etc. . . no matter how long they stayed in college were ever going to be good players, so it really doesn't matter whether or not guys go to college or not, they're going to be great based on their talent level, not on some lame ass "college" shyt. The Foreign players who are professionals at 16 prove that. Tony Parker and Dirk Nowitzki never spent a day in college and nobody accused them of "not being mature".

The difference seems to me that guys just develop earlier today, if anything. Kevin Durant, Derrick Rose, Anthony Davis, Kobe Bryant, and LeBron James were better at 21, then virtually anybody was who ever came into the NBA at 22. Dudes develop earlier.

this is the argument I always make too. Great players will be great players. Going to college or not wont change that. The only thing that changes that is a career altering injury.

 

[HiphopRelated]

Hmm, suprised that the NBPA is taking this stance, wonder how all of the veteran players feel about it.

Players are coming in to the league anyway.... Them 3rd and 4th year fringe NBA prospects in College are the ones that will suffer the first couple years. There's no incentive one way or the other for current NBA players

 

[BillBanneker]

Players are coming in to the league anyway.... Them 3rd and 4th year fringe NBA prospects in College are the ones that will suffer the first couple years. There's no incentive one way or the other for current NBA players

Do we have any stats on this? I would imagine for vets it would be worse for most vets since they're a bigger cap hit and don't have any potential growth (compared to a cheap 17/18 yr old), except for the skilled Cs. Those guys will always have a chance even with one knee.

I don't see how a higher age limit would benefit the 3rd/4th year fringe guys either. The NBA isn't that type of league where those guys would get the opportunity.

 

[I.V.]

. Great players will be great players. Going to college or not wont change that.

Honest to god? I don't even know if I agree with this. I'm not sure if Tim Duncan had come out of high school, if he'd be the player he is today. Who knows if he gets that kind of focused attention from coaches to work on and build his game?

My point (and yours too, I think) is -- none of that matters. You should be able to seek employment at your earliest opportunity, should you so choose. Period.

Spoiler

I know that Duncan wasn't looking to leave college early, etc etc etc... I'm just making the point that I'm sure college helps SOME players but it should be forced on all players.

 

[HiphopRelated]

Honest to god? I don't even know if I agree with this. I'm not sure if Tim Duncan had come out of high school, if he'd be the player he is today. Who knows if he gets that kind of focused attention from coaches to work on and build his game?

My point (and yours too, I think) is -- none of that matters. You should be able to seek employment at your earliest opportunity, should you so choose. Period.

Spoiler

I know that Duncan wasn't looking to leave college early, etc etc etc... I'm just making the point that I'm sure college helps SOME players but it should be forced on all players.

My position is the smart players that need College, went anyway. Not too many dudes that projected as 2nd rounf picks were declaring out of HS. You can be a late bloomer and College is good for you(a player like Wade).

But a dude like Beasley could shyt on College comp for 4 years straight looking more destructive every year just cause his body is maturing. Still wouldnt have made him a better nba player because he would never have had to change anything he does at the College level

 

[I.V.]

My position is the smart players that need College, went anyway. Not too many dudes that projected as 2nd rounf picks were declaring out of HS. You can be a late bloomer and College is good for you(a player like Wade).

But a dude like Beasley could shyt on College comp for 4 years straight looking more destructive every year just cause his body is maturing. Still wouldnt have made him a better nba player because he would never have had to change anything he does at the College level

Maybe. I think as a baseline "What would have happened if he went to/stayed in college..." Is a tough line of thinking, because it's pure speculation. Also, WHERE you play... plays a huge factor in whether you improve or not, or get coached or not.

But yeah. Age limits are wack.

 

[mastermind]

Honest to god? I don't even know if I agree with this. I'm not sure if Tim Duncan had come out of high school, if he'd be the player he is today. Who knows if he gets that kind of focused attention from coaches to work on and build his game?

My point (and yours too, I think) is -- none of that matters. You should be able to seek employment at your earliest opportunity, should you so choose. Period.

Spoiler

I know that Duncan wasn't looking to leave college early, etc etc etc... I'm just making the point that I'm sure college helps SOME players but it should be forced on all players.

I am not saying college helps no one. But that it isnt needed for everyone. Also a lot of these guys are playing so many games in HS and college coaches arent that concerned with development anymore, that it is different than it was in 1993 when Duncan was there and Dave Odom wanted to develop.

At the end tho, if an athlete wants to work in their profession, they should be able to work.

 

[I.V.]

I am not saying college helps no one. But that it isnt needed for everyone. Also a lot of these guys are playing so many games in HS and college coaches arent that concerned with development anymore, that it is different than it was in 1993 when Duncan was there and Dave Odom wanted to develop.

At the end tho, if an athlete wants to work in their profession, they should be able to work.

This man gets it.

 

[FTBS]

Dude, there is no age limit to being a doctor, a lawyer, etc. . .

The limit is EDUCATION. If you graduate from high-school at 12, theoretically speaking you COULD be a doctor at 19 or whatever. It's not an AGE limit, it's a SKILL limit.

Also, the guys who are doctors, lawyers, engineers, etc. . . aren't generating BILLIONS of dollars while working for free to whoever. The kids need the medical schools more than the medical schools need them.

In sports, the institutions need the athletes more than they need them, which is why nobody else in the world has an absurd system like this.

The 18 year olds have the SKILL to do the job, which is why they allow 18 year olds from Europe to play in the NBA, just not American born ones, duh.

I'm not against a minor league. I thought that's what the NBDL was supposed to be fore?

Why can't kids come straight out of high-school and play 1 or 2 years in the NBDL?

Why do they have to go be exploited by the NCAA.

Also, if talent is talent, then you just destroyed your own argument. LeBron is LeBron and a top 10 player ever. Kobe is Kobe and is a top 10 player ever.

Pervis Ellison, Larue Martin, Michael Olowokandi, etc. . . no matter how long they stayed in college were ever going to be good players, so it really doesn't matter whether or not guys go to college or not, they're going to be great based on their talent level, not on some lame ass "college" shyt. The Foreign players who are professionals at 16 prove that. Tony Parker and Dirk Nowitzki never spent a day in college and nobody accused them of "not being mature".

The difference seems to me that guys just develop earlier today, if anything. Kevin Durant, Derrick Rose, Anthony Davis, Kobe Bryant, and LeBron James were better at 21, then virtually anybody was who ever came into the NBA at 22. Dudes develop earlier.

In reality, however, you still generally aren't gonna come up out of desperate circumstances before 20. And as I stated before, top athletes generally have it better. nikkas that don't have that athletic ability are the real ones in need of the ing.

Both sides need each other. Trust me, these billionaire owners would be far better off with no league than the players would.

I thought that is what the NBDL was for too . If they actually ran it right this whole convo would be moot.

Lebron and Kobe eventually became Lebron and Kobe and they were always gonna eventually be Lebron and Kobe. That was my point. The key word is "eventually" though. They weren't that out the gate (especially Kobe, Bron was an exception) so what they eventually became (after being eligible under an age limit) is immaterial when discussing an age limit. I don't see what is so hard to get about this. nikkas are bemoaning an age limit and steadily using shyt nikkas did AFTER they passed the age limit age as their support. How do cats not see how backwards this is? No one is saying that college will make you better if you don't have talent but history has shown the top/most talented/the best/not the scrubs ya'll keep trouting out players do come out of the gates faster after going though.

You are right. Guys like Mike, Shaq, Duncan, Dream, Zo, Bird, Magic, Big O, David Robinson, AI, Wilt etc. weren't shyt when they came into the league. If guys truly developed earlier this would be a moot convo.

 

[Rekkapryde]

Age limits don't benefit the players. Period.

There is no logical argument otherwise. I actually find it interesting that with all of the progressive views Silver has on the league, he wants to raise the limit.

Idiots owners is why. Thing is, a dumb GM is gonna be a dumb GM. It's basically a move to protect the owners from their own decisions.

What makes it worse is that if the rule is changed AND the NCAA does that freshman redshirt shyt, we're back to square one for the most part. One year playing and they bolt.

And like others have said and proven, there isn't some MASS EXODUS every year of one and done players.