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Can you clarify? How is this different from doling out a max contract at 22, 27, and 32?
NBPA Will Seek Lower Age Limit
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Can you clarify? How is this different from doling out a max contract at 22, 27, and 32?
1. That's true.
2. I have deconstructed this 20 times. What guys become is irrelevant when discussing an age limit. Either you aren't comprehending that fact or you are just so used to trotting it out that it's hard for you to let it go. Either way I am done responding to that or anything along those lines. You are more than welcome to re-read my numerous iterations of responses to it throughout the thread.
3. Because all the guys that would have been able to are already in the league getting baby sat and the guys who stay in school generally aren't good enough regardless. That's actually part of my point. Another point I am done repeating. It seriously can't be this hard to understand.
4. Talent was more balanced when you had fewer teams back in the day and guys still beasted out the gate. My nikka just put Draymond fukking Green in the same sentence as D. Wade, Lebron, Amare, and Dwight
You trollin me breh.5. Yeah top pro hoop prospects are dropping like flies every year breh. We've never seen say...50 years worth of guys surviving that extra year or two and making it to the league in one piece. nikkas might as well be in Iraq.
at you getting even more dramatic. You do realize these nikkas would be spending that extra year on a college campus, not the hood right? 6. 18 of the top 25 earners of all time were 20 when the entered the league and spent at least 2 years in school.
Funny how the Europe option was ignored as was the top earners piece. If you have something original, relevant, and sensible I am all ears. If it just more of the same recycled, thoroughly debunked talking points with some Shakespearan fictional tragedy thrown in for good measure then this is my last response to you.
It's not. It's just a trite, inaccurate talking point that acts as if a year or two wait=eternal banishment.
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They want the age limit to be 20. The NBA's tried to raise it from 19.
There is a difference between 18, 21, 26, 31 & 20, 23, 28, 33
A guy at 30/31 is still in his prime, whereas a guy at 33 is past his prime.
1. That's true.
2. I have deconstructed this 20 times. What guys become is irrelevant when discussing an age limit. Either you aren't comprehending that fact or you are just so used to trotting it out that it's hard for you to let it go. Either way I am done responding to that or anything along those lines. You are more than welcome to re-read my numerous iterations of responses to it throughout the thread.
3. Because all the guys that would have been able to are already in the league getting baby sat and the guys who stay in school generally aren't good enough regardless. That's actually part of my point. Another point I am done repeating. It seriously can't be this hard to understand.
4. Talent was more balanced when you had fewer teams back in the day and guys still beasted out the gate. My nikka just put Draymond fukking Green in the same sentence as D. Wade, Lebron, Amare, and Dwight
5. Yeah top pro hoop prospects are dropping like flies every year breh. We've never seen say...50 years worth of guys surviving that extra year or two and making it to the league in one piece. nikkas might as well be in Iraq.
6. 18 of the top 25 earners of all time were 20 when the entered the league and spent at least 2 years in school.
Funny how the Europe option was ignored as was the top earners piece. If you have something original, relevant, and sensible I am all ears. If it just more of the same recycled, thoroughly debunked talking points with some Shakespearan fictional tragedy thrown in for good measure then this is my last response to you.
2. So, essentially talent is talent. If going to college made such a huge difference, then the kid who comes in at 18 would be at the same level as the kid who's 20 and went to college for 2 or 3 years. You don't even get that essentially you're saying that talent can't be overcome with "college experience". If your logic was true. LeBron and Dwayne Wade would've started out at the same place and maybe EVENTUALLY LeBron would be better. But that's not the case. LeBron was better when when he was 18 and Wade was 21. He was better when he was 25 and Wade was 28. And he's better now that he's 30 and Wade is 33. No amount of college changed that trajectory, which essentially shows that the people who have it have it.
Also, people mature at different ages, so maybe some guys are ready at 17 or 18.
You haven't given me one good reason why every other sport in every other country allows it's athletes to make a living in basketball when they're capable , but Amerikkka?
4. No, talent is more balanced because you have MORE kids playing basketball today. You have the ENTIRE WORLD's talent instead of a few people's talent.
When Wilt Chamberlain was playing, Basketball was behind baseball, boxing, & track & field, in the Black community. The best athletes were spread out over their sports. Now, it's just basketball and football. Blacks aren't even going into baseball and boxing anymore & MMA. Look at the guys they were playing against. They looked like gym teachers.
Add that to Canadians, Austrailians, Asians, Africans, Europeans, and Australians all playing in the NBA now.
Of course, a guy like Kareem or Wilt just can't come into the league and be way bigger, stronger, and better than everybody else. Have you seen the systems that have propped up to produced athletes.
5. Okay, Mr. Smarty Pant,s I brought up their family members as well. The reason Sebastian Telfair didn't go to Louisville and went pro was because a guy got his brains blew out right in front of his mother's apartment. This is a guy who's talent on the free market could net him $10 million dollars IMMEDIATELY and let him move his mama and his little brother out of the ghetto. It's fukked up to tell him he can't do that. You can't argue that it's fair. If he's not ready to play, then don't draft him, but don't limit his rights to
6. Dude, that's because high-schoolers were only allowed to come into the NBA for 10 years
. Also, guys like Shaq and them who came into the NBA BEFORE the lockout in '99 limited their money. Rookies used to be able to make whatever they wanted in the '90s, which is why Glenn Robinson got $70 million as a rookie. By the time LeBron & them came into the league, the most rookies could get guaranteed was 4 years for 12 million. That's another reason guys started coming out earlier. The emphasis was getting that lowballing ass rookie contract out of the way THEN getting a max contract for 80 million on your second contract. You aint slick. Kevin Garnett signed a 7 year $121 million dollar contract, which wouldn't even be possible for LeBron or anyone else college or not today. Now, if you wanted to argue that it should go back to the way it used to be when you could get big money up front and guys could get paid as rookie $70-$80 million, I might get what you're saying, but the high-school guys were handicapped by that stupid ass rule, which was also racist as hell because people hated seeing young Black dudes sign $70 million dollar contracts out the gate as well. Somehow the same rules don't exist in hockey or baseball
7. I hope dudes do go to Europe, that's why I ignored it. I'm not against guys going to Europe, but they should be able to make a living in their own country like all the other athletes in the ENTIRE WORLD and even those in every other sport in this country other than again (American) football.
2. So, essentially talent is talent. If going to college made such a huge difference, then the kid who comes in at 18 would be at the same level as the kid who's 20 and went to college for 2 or 3 years. You don't even get that essentially you're saying that talent can't be overcome with "college experience". If your logic was true. LeBron and Dwayne Wade would've started out at the same place and maybe EVENTUALLY LeBron would be better. But that's not the case. LeBron was better when when he was 18 and Wade was 21. He was better when he was 25 and Wade was 28. And he's better now that he's 30 and Wade is 33. No amount of college changed that trajectory, which essentially shows that the people who have it have it.
Also, people mature at different ages, so maybe some guys are ready at 17 or 18.
You haven't given me one good reason why every other sport in every other country allows it's athletes to make a living in basketball when they're capable , but Amerikkka?
4. No, talent is more balanced because you have MORE kids playing basketball today. You have the ENTIRE WORLD's talent instead of a few people's talent.
When Wilt Chamberlain was playing, Basketball was behind baseball, boxing, & track & field, in the Black community. The best athletes were spread out over their sports. Now, it's just basketball and football. Blacks aren't even going into baseball and boxing anymore & MMA. Look at the guys they were playing against. They looked like gym teachers.
Add that to Canadians, Austrailians, Asians, Africans, Europeans, and Australians all playing in the NBA now.
Of course, a guy like Kareem or Wilt just can't come into the league and be way bigger, stronger, and better than everybody else. Have you seen the systems that have propped up to produced athletes.
5. Okay, Mr. Smarty Pant,s I brought up their family members as well. The reason Sebastian Telfair didn't go to Louisville and went pro was because a guy got his brains blew out right in front of his mother's apartment. This is a guy who's talent on the free market could net him $10 million dollars IMMEDIATELY and let him move his mama and his little brother out of the ghetto. It's fukked up to tell him he can't do that. You can't argue that it's fair. If he's not ready to play, then don't draft him, but don't limit his rights to
6. Dude, that's because high-schoolers were only allowed to come into the NBA for 10 years
Now, if you wanted to argue that it should go back to the way it used to be when you could get big money up front and guys could get paid as rookie $70-$80 million, I might get what you're saying, but the high-school guys were handicapped by that stupid ass rule, which was also racist as hell because people hated seeing young Black dudes sign $70 million dollar contracts out the gate as well. Somehow the same rules don't exist in hockey or baseball
7. I hope dudes do go to Europe, that's why I ignored it. I'm not against guys going to Europe, but they should be able to make a living in their own country like all the other athletes in the ENTIRE WORLD and even those in every other sport in this country other than again (American) football.
2. I've been saying that talent it talent, its you and the rest that swear up and down that I am saying that college will magically make scrubs into stars. I never said college will make a huge difference. More of physical and mental development (that I don't prefer to watch
) will though. Only guy ever ready at 18 was Lebron (for two months), that's it that's the list. Guys like KG and Amare were 19 coming straight out of HS and still took time to come into their own.
Guys are more than welcome to start their own league with their own rules in Amerikkka. You can't be depending on someone else and expecting them to make rules that favor you.
4. You also have more teams. If talent being balanced was the issue then you wouldn't have anybody dominating today. People will make any excuse for the why the cats that they swear are so ready don't demonstrate that readiness.
5. How many cats in Sebastian's hood couldn't dribble a ball yet had the same exact issues minus the hundred dollar handshakes among other considerations both aboveboard and under the table? You are acting as if ball players are the only nikkas in poverty or as if they don't have it better than everybody else or as if sports is the only way out. I am all for addressing the ills of the hood and I do. Pampered 18 year olds getting babysat ain't the way to do it IMO. Once again Europe is an option. Plenty of nikkas who are desperate have to move to place they don't necessarily want to or where they are comfortable to make it happen for themselves and their fam.
6. Capping what individuals can make has done waaaaay more to limit what is paid out than an extra year ever could. The biggest difference between Duncan and KG isn't the four years Duncan spent in school or the two year headstart KG had in the league. It's the lockout and the ensuing changes that still reverberate to this day. Duncan wasn't eligible for a contract like Garnett got coming off his rookie deal and Duncan has taken less money over the years. If Duncan could have and would have been willing to ink a 6 year, 120 mil deal at 24 and then another 5yr/100 mil deal at 30 and then a 60 mil extension at 35 he would be on Garnett's head right now. The salary structure and his own decisions are what prevented that, not his age. A 20 year old is pretty much gonna get the same number of big deals as an 18 year old, as Duncan and Shaq's presence in the top 4 with Kobe and KG demonstrates. I previously stated that guys that wait should get extra considerations. Hockey and baseball players don't make that kinda money out the gate either so I'm not sure what you point was there.
7. The fact is they aren't. Which shyts all over you desperation point. Refer back to #2.
I am not gonna keep going in circles. I only responded because you mixed some new shyt in with the retread. At this point there shouldn't be any confusion about where I stand. You got actual facts and logic to rebuff me with, go right ahead. If you are just gonna misinterpret or ignore what is said and throw some more demands mixed with pleas along with inaccurate or baseless or inconsistent assertions out there then we are done.
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2. I've been saying that talent it talent, its you and the rest that swear up and down that I am saying that college will magically make scrubs into stars. I never said college will make a huge difference. More of physical and mental development (that I don't prefer to watch
Only guy ever ready at 18 was Lebron (for two months), that's it that's the list. Guys like KG and Amare were 19 coming straight out of HS and still took time to come into their own.
Guys are more than welcome to start their own league with their own rules in Amerikkka. You can't be depending on someone else and expecting them to make rules that favor you.
4. You also have more teams. If talent being balanced was the issue then you wouldn't have anybody dominating today. People will make any excuse for the why the cats that they swear are so ready don't demonstrate that readiness.
5. How many cats in Sebastian's hood couldn't dribble a ball yet had the same exact issues minus the hundred dollar handshakes among other considerations both aboveboard and under the table? You are acting as if ball players are the only nikkas in poverty or as if they don't have it better than everybody else or as if sports is the only way out. I am all for addressing the ills of the hood and I do. Pampered 18 year olds getting babysat ain't the way to do it IMO. Once again Europe is an option. Plenty of nikkas who are desperate have to move to place they don't necessarily want to or where they are comfortable to make it happen for themselves and their fam.
6. Capping what individuals can make has done waaaaay more to limit what is paid out than an extra year ever could. The biggest difference between Duncan and KG isn't the four years Duncan spent in school or the two year headstart KG had in the league. It's the lockout and the ensuing changes that still reverberate to this day. Duncan wasn't eligible for a contract like Garnett got coming off his rookie deal and Duncan has taken less money over the years. If Duncan could have and would have been willing to ink a 6 year, 120 mil deal at 24 and then another 5yr/100 mil deal at 30 and then a 60 mil extension at 35 he would be on Garnett's head right now. The salary structure and his own decisions are what prevented that, not his age. A 20 year old is pretty much gonna get the same number of big deals as an 18 year old, as Duncan and Shaq's presence in the top 4 with Kobe and KG demonstrates. I previously stated that guys that wait should get extra considerations. Hockey and baseball players don't make that kinda money out the gate either so I'm not sure what you point was there.
7. The fact is they aren't. Which shyts all over you desperation point. Refer back to #2.
I am not gonna keep going in circles. I only responded because you mixed some new shyt in with the retread. At this point there shouldn't be any confusion about where I stand. You got actual facts and logic to rebuff me with, go right ahead. If you are just gonna misinterpret or ignore what is said and throw some more demands mixed with pleas along with inaccurate or baseless or inconsistent assertions out there then we are done.
2. Dude, Amare and Dwight Howard won Rookie of the Year the years that they came out of high-school. How is that "taking a while" to come into their own. They were the best rookies the years they came out.
4. Dude, there's more great athletes in the world playing basketball. It's the 2nd most popular game in the WORLD now. If your stance was true, then guys who go to college would have an advantage, which they don't. There hasn't been any dominant players who went to college 4 years other than Tim Duncan the past 20 years. If going to college made you more "mature" then people wouldn't draft guys out of high-school. Damien Lillard, Steve Nash, Tim Duncan. Those are the best 4 year players the past 20 years.
And yeah, people dominate. Kobe dominates and LeBron dominates. The 2 best players of the past 15 years spent a collective ZERO years in college.
And don't start with that "they weren't the best players at 18". Michael Jordan didn't become the best player in the NBA until '87/'88, which was 3 or 4 years in his career, which is about the same time Kobe & LeBron became all-time great players as well, the difference is, that Kobe was winning championships at 21 and LeBron was making the finals at 22. Jordan never made the finals until he was 28.
5. Cats in Sebastians's hood don't have a Lottery ticket and have to walk around as high-profile as he does. Imagine being 17 years old and EVERYBODY in the entire ghetto knows that you're worth $10 million dollars. Every skeezer, every drug dealer, gangbanger, street agent, and hustler is going to be targeting that kid. That's the thing you're not getting. Because these kids are that famous them and their families are in MORE danger than the average person. That's why rappers had to stop all that "I'm staying in the hood" shyt. Because nikkaz was getting tied up and getting robbed and shyt. Asking somebody that prominent to stay in the ghetto and keep their families in the ghetto when they could be millionaires immediately is insane. It'd be like me hitting the lottery, being on TV with the ticket and then going BACK to the ghetto to stay for the next 2 years. It's bullshyt.
You don't think those other nikkaz in the ghetto if they had a skill that could IMMEDIATELY translate to millions of dollars, they wouldn't do that shyt? Of course they would. The difference is, that the nikkaz who can rap, sing, tap dance, act, or whatever can move their families out of the ghetto as soon as they get start generating money.
If you start selling millions of records at 15, you can move your fam out of the ghetto. There's no law saying that record companies can't pay you.
6. There's no way that if LeBron James would've been able to sign the contracts that guys were signing in the '90s out of high-school, he wouldn't have gotten at least $90 million, which makes you point about career earnings bunk. LeBron would've gotten $90 millon over 6 years, then signed a $150 million dollar contract at 24 and would've been able to at 30 sign another astronomical contract. You can't justly compare the high-school kids earnings to the guys who have played 4 years and started playing in the '90s. That's just not fair.
But even with the abbreviated comparison, Rashad Lewis, Pau Gasol, Tracy McGrady, Jermaine O'Neal, Dirk Nowitzki, Kobe Bryant, and Kevin Garnett are 7 of the top 20 highest paid players of ALL-TIME and NONE of them went to college, they either came straight from Europe or high-school with the highest paid NBA player of all-time being . . . . .
KEVIN GARNETT!!!!
He's the only NBA player in history to earn $300 million dollars.
How did that happen?
He started playing at 18 and got multiple HUGE contracts.
He's earned more than Shaq, even though Shaq was the better player because he was able to start EARLIER earning money LONGER.
7. Really? Name me one group of athletes who aren't allowed to make money as 18 year olds in spite of generating BILLIONS for other people? Name me one sport where guys don't make money inspite of being virtually professionals?
2. They were the best rookies because the rookie fields were severely weakened. Dude's who would have been top rookies in years past were already 2 or 3 years deep in the league. So they were competing against fellow HS players or college also rans. Not to mention Dwight didn't win ROY, Okafor did. Amare came into his own avg. 14 and 9?
4. Clearly broke that down 45 times in this thread. 28, 7, 6 vs. 8, 2, 1 which one you taking? Looks forward to bu...bu...buts.
5. What's that got to do with me? Do you consider the situation that your waiter or doctor or teacher or any one else who provides you a service grew up in? I can guarantee Sebastian isn't sitting up thinking about what I had to go through or what you had to go through. nikkas become stars in middle school or even earlier. Should they just let 12 year olds in in too? It's not like they have anybody looking out for them either, right? Just a bunch of wolves coming after them. No extra love, consideration or protection at all right? Being a nobody in the hood is so much easier right? Makes you wonder why nikkas even play sports right?
6. Pau was 21 and Dirk was 20 aka age limit eligible. 11 of the 18 20 and older guys on the list came in after rookie salaries got capped and yet they are still right there on that list generally outlasting their HS counterparts. KG came at the exact right time. Comparing him to others is just as unfair. And once again what's that got to do with me? How's your mail carrier's career earnings looking? When NBA players start worrying about my earning potential then theirs will move up on my list.
7. They could be making money but most of them choose not to
Refer to 5 and 6.
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2. They were the best rookies because the rookie fields were severely weakened. Dude's who would have been top rookies in years past were already 2 or 3 years deep in the league. So they were competing against fellow HS players or college also rans. Not to mention Dwight didn't win ROY, Okafor did. Amare came into his own avg. 14 and 9?
4.. Clearly broke that down 45 times in this thread. 28, 7, 6 vs. 8, 2, 1 which one you taking? Looks forward to bu...bu...buts.
5. What's that got to do with me? Do you consider the situation that your waiter or doctor or teacher or any one else who provides you a service grew up in? I can guarantee Sebastian isn't sitting up thinking about what I had to go through or what you had to go through. nikkas become stars in middle school or even earlier. Should they just let 12 year olds in in too? It's not like they have anybody looking out for them either, right? Just a bunch of wolves coming after them. No extra love, consideration or protection at all right? Being a nobody in the hood is so much easier right? Makes you wonder why nikkas even play sports right?
6. Pau was 21 and Dirk was 20 aka age limit eligible. 11 of the 18 20 and older guys on the list came in after rookie salaries got capped and yet they are still right there on that list generally outlasting their HS counterparts. KG came at the exact right time. Comparing him to others is just as unfair. And once again what's that got to do with me? How's your mail carrier's career earnings looking? When NBA players start worrying about my earning potential then theirs will move up on my list.
7. They could be making money but most of them choose not to
2. In a "weakened field", shouldn't the college players had a marked advantage? Why don't the guys who are "ready" come into the league and dominate? Or are at least far better than the kids who come straight from high-school.
I'll post again, the article written by the dude who went to Harvard and proved that the high-school players were MORE successful on average than EVERYONE else
http://www.worldlii.org/int/journals/lsn/abstracts/567745.html
4. THE NBA IS A DIFFERENT LEAGUE than it was 30 years ago. The Knicks, Pistons, and Pacers weren't putting up the scoring numbers that dudes in the '80s and earlier were.
Look at this article from 1990, 5 years before high-schoolers started coming to the NBA, where already you're seeing scoring going WAYYYYY down. That has nothing to do with high-school players
http://articles.latimes.com/1990-03-04/sports/sp-2723_1_defense-wins-games
The NBA became a defensive minded game in the '90s, which completely changed those numbers. Wilt, Jordan, and Kareen wouldn't have averaged crazy numbers today and especially not during the '90s. Nobody played defense
You keep looking at the numbers of rookies back when everybody was scoring 110 points again vs. once Detroit and New York changed the sport in the late '80s and '90s.
NOBODY is averaging 50 ppg like Chamberlain.
NOBODY is averaging 35 and 14 like Elgin Baylor was, college or not.
Just look at the number of shots that were taken in that era.
5.
This is how I know you're either a CAC or a c00n, because YES, I think of the plight of ALL Black people, jerkoff. ANY Black people being exploited by a system are my business. Just admit you're a CAC and get outta here. Sebastian Telfair aint gotta think about me, just like Mike Brown didn't know me or Trayvon Martin didn't know me, but I give a fukk about a society that murdered their asses.6. Who cares how old they were, they were professionals at 16 and 17 years old, which allowed them to make money and didn't spend any time in college.
How is comparing KG to others unfair? You're the one who made the terrible mistake of comparing the short period that high-schoolers were able to come into the league, especially those after the 1999 lockout with those who were able to get paid whatever they wanted in the '90s. If Shaq had come into the league in 2000, he wouldn't have made 270 million, either in salary.
KG is absolutely the epitome of my point. He came into the league before the lockout and was able to start at 18. BOTH of those things have allowed him to become the highest paid player in the history of American team sports, other than Alex Rodriguez, who also started playing pro as a teenager.
Teams don't want to have to dole out those types of contracts to young nikkaz from the inner city, so first they restricted the amount of money they could be paid and then they forced them to stay out of the league.
If they allowed guys to turn pro at whatever age and be paid whatever the market would allow, then you'd see MORE guys ending up with the types of contracts you see in baseball.
7. Dude, you shouldn't have to travel 5,000 miles to play in a foreign country when you are valuable in your OWN COUNTRY.
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The more I think bout I think u might be right about the bread being giving out over a lifetime. 300 mill is a lot of bread..tragically some will fukk that up but some won't and that's a lot power for some negroes to have2. In a "weakened field", shouldn't the college players had a marked advantage? Why don't the guys who are "ready" come into the league and dominate? Or are at least far better than the kids who come straight from high-school.
I'll post again, the article written by the dude who went to Harvard and proved that the high-school players were MORE successful on average than EVERYONE else
http://www.worldlii.org/int/journals/lsn/abstracts/567745.html
4. THE NBA IS A DIFFERENT LEAGUE than it was 30 years ago. The Knicks, Pistons, and Pacers weren't putting up the scoring numbers that dudes in the '80s and earlier were.
Look at this article from 1990, 5 years before high-schoolers started coming to the NBA, where already you're seeing scoring going WAYYYYY down. That has nothing to do with high-school players
http://articles.latimes.com/1990-03-04/sports/sp-2723_1_defense-wins-games
The NBA became a defensive minded game in the '90s, which completely changed those numbers. Wilt, Jordan, and Kareen wouldn't have averaged crazy numbers today and especially not during the '90s. Nobody played defense
You keep looking at the numbers of rookies back when everybody was scoring 110 points again vs. once Detroit and New York changed the sport in the late '80s and '90s.
NOBODY is averaging 50 ppg like Chamberlain.
NOBODY is averaging 35 and 14 like Elgin Baylor was, college or not.
Just look at the number of shots that were taken in that era.
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6. Who cares how old they were, they were professionals at 16 and 17 years old, which allowed them to make money and didn't spend any time in college.
How is comparing KG to others unfair? You're the one who made the terrible mistake of comparing the short period that high-schoolers were able to come into the league, especially those after the 1999 lockout with those who were able to get paid whatever they wanted in the '90s. If Shaq had come into the league in 2000, he wouldn't have made 270 million, either in salary.
KG is absolutely the epitome of my point. He came into the league before the lockout and was able to start at 18. BOTH of those things have allowed him to become the highest paid player in the history of American team sports, other than Alex Rodriguez, who also started playing pro as a teenager.
Teams don't want to have to dole out those types of contracts to young nikkaz from the inner city, so first they restricted the amount of money they could be paid and then they forced them to stay out of the league.
If they allowed guys to turn pro at whatever age and be paid whatever the market would allow, then you'd see MORE guys ending up with the types of contracts you see in baseball.
7. Dude, you shouldn't have to travel 5,000 miles to play in a foreign country when you are valuable in your OWN COUNTRY.
2. In a "weakened field", shouldn't the college players had a marked advantage? Why don't the guys who are "ready" come into the league and dominate? Or are at least far better than the kids who come straight from high-school.
I'll post again, the article written by the dude who went to Harvard and proved that the high-school players were MORE successful on average than EVERYONE else
http://www.worldlii.org/int/journals/lsn/abstracts/567745.html
4. THE NBA IS A DIFFERENT LEAGUE than it was 30 years ago. The Knicks, Pistons, and Pacers weren't putting up the scoring numbers that dudes in the '80s and earlier were.
Look at this article from 1990, 5 years before high-schoolers started coming to the NBA, where already you're seeing scoring going WAYYYYY down. That has nothing to do with high-school players
http://articles.latimes.com/1990-03-04/sports/sp-2723_1_defense-wins-games
The NBA became a defensive minded game in the '90s, which completely changed those numbers. Wilt, Jordan, and Kareen wouldn't have averaged crazy numbers today and especially not during the '90s. Nobody played defense
You keep looking at the numbers of rookies back when everybody was scoring 110 points again vs. once Detroit and New York changed the sport in the late '80s and '90s.
NOBODY is averaging 50 ppg like Chamberlain.
NOBODY is averaging 35 and 14 like Elgin Baylor was, college or not.
Just look at the number of shots that were taken in that era.
5.
6. Who cares how old they were, they were professionals at 16 and 17 years old, which allowed them to make money and didn't spend any time in college.
How is comparing KG to others unfair? You're the one who made the terrible mistake of comparing the short period that high-schoolers were able to come into the league, especially those after the 1999 lockout with those who were able to get paid whatever they wanted in the '90s. If Shaq had come into the league in 2000, he wouldn't have made 270 million, either in salary.
KG is absolutely the epitome of my point. He came into the league before the lockout and was able to start at 18. BOTH of those things have allowed him to become the highest paid player in the history of American team sports, other than Alex Rodriguez, who also started playing pro as a teenager.
Teams don't want to have to dole out those types of contracts to young nikkaz from the inner city, so first they restricted the amount of money they could be paid and then they forced them to stay out of the league.
If they allowed guys to turn pro at whatever age and be paid whatever the market would allow, then you'd see MORE guys ending up with the types of contracts you see in baseball.
7. Dude, you shouldn't have to travel 5,000 miles to play in a foreign country when you are valuable in your OWN COUNTRY.
So basically everything that I say will either be ignored or intentionally misinterpreted or spun. Seriously, I have rebuffed every single point you have laid out multiple times and yet you just keep repeating the same shyt as if it hasn't been thoroughly refuted. It's apparent that you just want to argue and go in circles and cling to your specious points no matter what so feel free to do so alone. Seriously, you just compared being a HS basketball star to being killed by police or "neighborhood watch". If that's not a sign that we've gone off the deep end I don't know what is. This is where I get off.
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Dude, I don't know what else to say to you.
I posted the PROOF that high-school to pro players were MORE successful and the younger players were actually more efficient than the older players from the guy who studied it at Harvard, so your theory about players not being "ready" is bunk, when the 18-22 year old players averaged more points, rebounds, and assists than any other age group in the NBA
I proved to you with facts that Kevin Garnett is the highest paid player in the history of the sport, even more so than Shaquille O'Neal, mostly because he was able to come into the league 2 years earlier than Shaquille O'neal which allowed him to get more big contracts.
Now, Real Sports with Bryant Gumble JUST this week aired a program which showed that NCAA athletes are the MOST ABUSED employees in Amerikkka.
Players in the NCAA don't get a good education because their scholarships are centered around their sport.
Players who get hurt in the NCAA don't get their medical bills taken care of.
The system is the most exploitative system in Amerikkka.
If you can watch this episode of Real Sports that completely dismantles the NCAA and shows how the system leaves these mostly poor, inner-city/country kids broken physically, mentally, and financially, and yet still argue that that's what's best for these kids, then you are a sociopath.
http://www.hbo.com/real-sports-with-bryant-gumbel/episodes/0/216-episode/index.html
And NO I didn't compare Sebastian Telfair to Mike Brown. I said I care about ALL Black folks being fukked by the system, whether they are athletes OR people being killed by the police. YOU are a moron.
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Piff Wallace
Why is it that sports such as Tennis and Golf don't have age limits whereas the NBA does?
Serena Williams just played a match against a 15 year old.
Serena Williams just played a match against a 15 year old.
It's not the age, but the years of experience
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/07/09/value-of-max-contracts-for-2014-nba-free-agents/
0-6 years experience
Year Re-sign Leave
One $14,746,000 $14,746,000
Two $15,851,950 $15,409,570
Three $16,957,900 $16,073,140
Four $18,063,850 $16,736,710
Five $19,169,800
Total $84,789,500
7-9 years
Year Re-sign Leave
One $17,695,200 $17,695,200
Two $19,022,340 $18,491,484
Three $20,349,480 $19,287,768
Four $21,676,620 $20,084,052
Five $23,003,760
Total $101,747,400
10+
Year Re-sign Leave
One $20,644,400 $20,644,400
Two $22,192,730 $21,573,398
Three $23,741,060 $22,502,396
Four $25,289,390 $23,431,394
Five $26,837,720
Total $118,705,300
You can see how the NBA owners save money with the age restrictions, and the NCAA gets to extend their indentured servitude. They're currently working to increase the limit to 20 for no good reason.
This is a case of black exploitation, plain and simple. Glad the union is growing some balls.
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