Wade missed the playoffs in years where he missed 30+ games and the rest of the team aged like the bad guy from Indiana Jones & the last crusade when he drank from the wrong grail. He went out in the first round when his best teammates were the corpse of Jermaine O’Neal, Michael Beasley, and Mario Chalmers. Nobody besides Wade on the 2009 heat averaged even 14 points for the year and the 2010 squad wasn’t any better. Joel Anthony played 80 games and started 16 of them. Beasley and O’Neil were the 2 and 3 on that team. Raefer Alston and Carlos Arroyo made a combined 60 starts at point guard. Even with Wade those teams had a ceiling of a 2nd round exit.If you know me, you know I am no Harden guy by any stretch. But if we keeping it a buck all Wade got on him is 06 and Bron spite. As the unquestioned guy at his apex dude was missing the playoffs or first rd fodder in the east. He had his less than shining big game moments himself with apex Bron beside him. Harden has played with talent but never anyone as good as peak Bron. 35 year old Wade is not doing what Harden did this year in terms of keeping the Clippers in the mix while Kawhi missed more than half the season.
It’s funny you brought up all this and didn’t mention the other side of the ball. Wade defensively is miles above Harden.If you know me, you know I am no Harden guy by any stretch. But if we keeping it a buck all Wade got on him is 06 and Bron spite. As the unquestioned guy at his apex dude was missing the playoffs or first rd fodder in the east. He had his less than shining big game moments himself with apex Bron beside him. Harden has played with talent but never anyone as good as peak Bron. 35 year old Wade is not doing what Harden did this year in terms of keeping the Clippers in the mix while Kawhi missed more than half the season.
And Pat Riley literally admitted to throwing those years away to get Lebron. Remember Wade averaged 30ppg in a low scoring era without a 2nd option who could even score 15ppg. They also had no bigs or no shooters. Literally some of the worse rosters in NBA history, and Wade still got them in the playoffs. Only tear he missed was 07/08 because he was hurt.Wade missed the playoffs in years where he missed 30+ games and the rest of the team aged like the bad guy from Indiana Jones & the last crusade when he drank from the wrong grail. He went out in the first round when his best teammates were the corpse of Jermaine O’Neal, Michael Beasley, and Mario Chalmers. Nobody besides Wade on the 2009 heat averaged even 14 points for the year and the 2010 squad wasn’t any better. Joel Anthony played 80 games and started 16 of them. Beasley and O’Neil were the 2 and 3 on that team. Raefer Alston and Carlos Arroyo made a combined 60 starts at point guard. Even with Wade those teams had a ceiling of a 2nd round exit.
2 Versions of KD, 2 versions of Westbrook, Chris Paul, Dwight Howard, Kyrie, Kawhi, Embiid, Vs 4yrs of Bron and a broke down Shaq?If you know me, you know I am no Harden guy by any stretch. But if we keeping it a buck all Wade got on him is 06 and Bron spite. As the unquestioned guy at his apex dude was missing the playoffs or first rd fodder in the east. He had his less than shining big game moments himself with apex Bron beside him. Harden has played with talent but never anyone as good as peak Bron. 35 year old Wade is not doing what Harden did this year in terms of keeping the Clippers in the mix while Kawhi missed more than half the season.
And they never even made the 2nd rd. Its not like Harden was playing with all star teams and he was in the west.Wade missed the playoffs in years where he missed 30+ games and the rest of the team aged like the bad guy from Indiana Jones & the last crusade when he drank from the wrong grail. He went out in the first round when his best teammates were the corpse of Jermaine O’Neal, Michael Beasley, and Mario Chalmers. Nobody besides Wade on the 2009 heat averaged even 14 points for the year and the 2010 squad wasn’t any better. Joel Anthony played 80 games and started 16 of them. Beasley and O’Neil were the 2 and 3 on that team. Raefer Alston and Carlos Arroyo made a combined 60 starts at point guard. Even with Wade those teams had a ceiling of a 2nd round exit.
Wade was the better defender. But we can only say so much about his defense when he wasnt the one tasked with guarding the other teams best guy during the Heatles run.It’s funny you brought up all this and didn’t mention the other side of the ball. Wade defensively is miles above Harden.
Only a couple of those guys are even worthy of being mentioned with Bron and he didnt play with any at their absolute peak.2 Versions of KD, 2 versions of Westbrook, Chris Paul, Dwight Howard, Kyrie, Kawhi, Embiid, Vs 4yrs of Bron and a broke down Shaq?
Bron is one of the goats, but let’s be serious.![]()
The fact that harden has played with multiple guys that can be mentioned with bron, is kinda the point. Even if you wanna say “such and such wasn’t at their peak when they played with harden” you can throw a dart at another harden sidekick and find one who was at their peak when they played with harden. Most of these names were at least still All Star caliber when they got with harden.Only a couple of those guys are even worthy of being mentioned with Bron and he didnt play with any at their absolute peak.
Harden WAS always playing on All Star teams though. Wtf? Lol.And they never even made the 2nd rd. Its not like Harden was playing with all star teams and he was in the west.
But none of them were as good as peak Bron though. Seriously we talking mid 30s play half the year Kawhi, some 23 yr olds, a nikka in his 30s off an Achilles, a nikka thats never healthy in the playoffs. This is what we comparing to peak Bron?The fact that harden has played with multiple guys on that can be mentioned with bron, is kinda the point. Even if you wanna say “such and such wasn’t at their peak when they played with harden” you can throw a dart at another harden sidekick and find one who was at their peak when they played with harden. Most of these names were at least still All Star caliber when they got with harden.
It’s not comparable. That’s like 7 future hall of famers. And 7 guys on the top 75 all time list. Dude lost with all of them.
Bbbut wade had Shaq and bron.
Hall of famers, dpoys, etc on harden teams. Playing in dantoni system that catered to his skillset. Played for morey who catered to his skillset and the analytics.Harden WAS always playing on All Star teams though. Wtf? Lol.
Wade was PURPOSELY given a WOAT level roster for 3 straight years. He still made the playoffs in 2 of those 3 years. He was also the best player on the Olympic team alongside the best players of that era.
The year they missed the playoffs, Wade was averaging 25ppg on 46% and that was considered a bad year for him (missed 31 games but the team started the year awful anyways before they shut Wade down).
Harden has ALWAYS been next to a Hall.of Famer. He's played with much better teams than Wade and never played for a team intentionally not signing good players.
Im taking Hardens teammate volume compared to Wades. If wade wasn’t playing with bron, he was playing with Jamario moon as a teammate. Wade supporting casts were always very extreme. Bron left, CB got blood clots, and that was it. Until Whiteside became a diamond in the rough and they got Dragic and Lual deng and Joe Johnson. Compare that to harden post OKC!But none of them were as good as peak Bron though. Seriously we talking mid 30s play half the year Kawhi, some 23 yr olds, a nikka in his 30s off an Achilles, a nikka thats never healthy in the playoffs. This is what we comparing to peak Bron?
Ok so what team is better with Wade at the same age? Those Thunder definitely but we already established 06 is what separates Wade.