New York Rappers Get Catapulted Into Greatness With The Smallest Sample Size

[OnlyInCalifornia]

Everytime I come in the booth there's another thread about NY

Reminds me of when NY posters would constantly make anti-westcoast threads and then turn around talking about how classic 'Pop Champagne' was. Ron Brownz...he produced for Big L!!!!

What goes around, comes around.

 

[loyola llothta]

It's like that for MCs in general.....

Might I add that we had to go through NY posters on telling us that Uncle Murda had next.....Red Cafe....Maino....

We had to deal with being told this guy was going to be a massive star...



Remember when NYC posters tried to act like Ron Brownz was a super producer?

From about 2003-2010 we had to deal with any little buzz being over blown and even the most average of MCs being hyped up so NYC had something....

Any ny nikka that maks noise is the goat to them...I remember they try to put 50 as one

 

[NvrCMyNut]

I'd say this is more true for artists outside of New York, namely the south, they love to rewrite history and pump up nothingness into greatness down there. It's an attitude which has permiated to other regions and is the main reason why the game is so fukked up right now, they're even in here rewriting recent Ny history. @ Ron Browns being hyped up in the city. gtfo. Pure fantasy talk, y'all were legitimately riding ok da juice man dikk tho

 

[↓R↑LYB]

Reminds me of when NY posters would constantly make anti-westcoast threads and then turn around talking about how classic 'Pop Champagne' was. Ron Brownz...he produced for Big L!!!!

What goes around, comes around.

Stop it. I was on sohh too and there were same threads about NY that we're having now.

 

[OnlyInCalifornia]

Any ny nikka that maks noise is the goat to them...I remember they try to put 50 as one

Like this? lol

 

[↓R↑LYB]

Any ny nikka that maks noise is the goat to them...I remember they try to put 50 as one

50 sold 13 million out the gate and was the biggest rapper on the planet. Everybody was hyping 50 as the greatest thing ever back then.

 

[OnlyInCalifornia]

Stop it. I was on sohh too and there were same threads about NY that we're having now.

If you think it was even, you weren't on like you are claiming.

 

[intilectual recipricol]

All that needs to be said.

What about having a rap partner makes someone's raps worse?

 

[↓R↑LYB]

If you think it was even, you weren't on like you are claiming.

I've been on sohh from before ***** shut the forum down. Just like now, it was the same corny threads about NY with literally the same talking points.

 

[loyola llothta]

50 sold 13 million out the gate and was the biggest rapper on the planet. Everybody was hyping 50 as the greatest thing ever back then.

Worldwide(with being associated as em black gangster friend) and his raps was mediocre ....stop it

If that's how you pick goat put that vanilla ice on


The point is after one album

 

[Harry B]

Lol, every region has their personal favorites the difference is that NY had so many more dope rappers. A lot of people from the bay say Mac Dre and he has zero classics, people from Texas say Pimp C and Bun B and they've got like 2 dope projects and 7 average.

And people putting out 1-2 classics and not much more. People are judging their peak level. They are looking at how a dude like Big could change the game and remain an influence for decades with two albums just like a Jimi Hednrix or Otis Redding

 

[Chris Cool]

the only region gives goat recognition for shyt that was done 20 years ago, no matter how mediocre you're current output is. doesn't happen anywhere else. do that shyt on the west and you're snoop, do that shyt on the east and you're top 5.

 

[MIAlien]

I mean if we're talkin like that, shouldn't we just judge strictly off of spitting then? As opposed to things like song structure..? why are we hangin on classic albums to gauge this, then getting weird when somebody brings up production?

We're either talking top artists or top rappers, and if we're talking top rappers then we should be judging the rapping, not whether somebody had a partner or not. Big Boi standing next to him shouldn't take away from the words Dre is spitting.

It doesn't take away from Andre's verses. He has some of the greatest verses of all time. But "spitting" is different when its one verse on a song as opposed to multiple verses. It's easier.

Writing 1 verse to a song with a concept is different from fleshing out the concept over 3 or 4 verses. It's a lot easier to write that 1 verse and kill it than to build a song. Jadakiss and Bun B built the same sort of rep 1 verse at a time. Now take that same idea and make it 16 solo songs with multiple verses instead of 16 songs with 1 or 1/2 verses, like Andre 3000.

It's A LOT tougher to write multiple verses on a song as opposed to just one. Imagine if Jay Z and Biggie were in a duo and could consolidate all their crazy bars from songs into single verses. They'd have the same crazy average of hot verses as Andre. Biggie has done the single verse thing on songs and killed it plenty of times.(Notorious Thugs, Mo Money Mo Problems, etc)

But Andre hasn't had to face the heat of creating an entire rap album by himself, without the crutch of having a great rap partner to carry half of the workload.

It just comes down to Andre being untested in ways that other great rappers have been. He gets the benefit of being as great as solo artists while having done half as much.

And I know this is hair splitting, but that's what you do when you're talking top 10.

 

[↓R↑LYB]

Worldwide(with being associated as em black gangster friend) and his raps was mediocre ....stop it

If that's how you pick goat put that vanilla ice on


The point is after one album

Again, everybody was hyping 50 as the greatest thing ever, not just on the east coast. I moved to Cincinnati in 2001 and 50 was huge there too.

 

[Prince Cairo]

I think you need to make a caveat for dead (specifically killed) artists.

They get shrouded in a sort of mythology that becomes inseparable from who they are, and actually part of what makes them great. And it's not limited to the NY region either...

That being said, the east coast has an unnaturally high number of rappers who were killed right as their career was at its peak or about to peak (L, Pun, Big).

This was touched on earlier in the thread but it seemed to get skimmed over.