New York Rappers Get Catapulted Into Greatness With The Smallest Sample Size

[Dominic Brehetto]

Jada being in anyones top 5 or 10 is dude cant create a great album if his life depended on it

 

[Wacky D]

Well it's true. He got some bars, but we're ONLY having this conversation due to his self declaration.

arguably but the same could be said for alot of rappers. closed mouths dont get fed.

besides, jada would legitimately be in alot of peoples' top 5 regardless. i know that for a fact - at least with the late '90s on up crowd.

 

[Still Benefited]

scoop jackson?

the cool ass dude from espn?

or is there another scoop jackson?







because e-40's homies were holding him at gunpoint.





that slick rick interview occured when the west coast was still green and before they hit their stride. alot of the stuff they were doing back then was indeed wack. and in the interviews, he even said theyll get it eventually.

and where you get all this "we" talk from? i thought you werent west coast?

lets not act like alot of west coasters dont harbor the same criticisms about what the south has been doing the past decade.





jada is more than just a better lyricist. hes an all-around better emcee than scarface.
scarface is historically a better artist tho.

who are these west coast lyricists that are better than jadakiss?





half of the people saying this arent even from NY.

really, people on both sides of this argument are full of chit. and very few people want to keep it 100 on either side. the result is a lifetime debate that never gets anywhere.





1.) no they dont. rakim isnt even the 1st to use intricate rhymes, so how is everybody that does such automatically influenced by rakim? that makes no sense.

2.) you do realize, that alot of the critics behind the magazine ratings that you dudes worship are weirdos & faqs themselves right? theres no coincidence. not to mention, that alot of these high marks are paid for - kendrick's being amongst the most obvious.

3.) you need to ask because you need to go do some research. i wouldve just answered your question str8 up, but you tried to get snotty so i'll just let you look foolish in the meantime.





youre not into mc'ing tho.

i dont really see the point of this.





well for starters, alot of these guys do indeed have track records to f*ck with jay, nas & especially ghostface.

ive never heard of anybody from DITC being considered a goat, except big l. and DITC are indeed local and/or regional guys except for fat joe. i dont know who told you otherwise.

lol @ the lox and especially dipset being compared to local legends.

never heard any goat talk involving anybody from lox or dipset except the great jada debate. if dipset is any goat talk, its for them as a crew and definitely as a movement.

That slick rick interview had to be after 93,we was still green then?and yes im from the west,forgot all those times u accused me of homerism?and where these west coast nikkas at?i dont remember a feeling of west coast hate towards the south at all....even when ice t dissed soulja boy he had no backup and had to fall back.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

arguably but the same could be said for alot of rappers. closed mouths dont get fed.

besides, jada would legitimately be in alot of peoples' top 5 regardless. i know that for a fact - at least with the late '90s on up crowd.

A fact? naw just an opinion,shared by few

 

[raoulduke187]

 

[FruitOfTheVale]

Dudes hate NY to the point where they make up false allegations. nikka said new yorkers consider anybody from DITC goats and people actually dapped that post

Lol fukk outta here, Big L never been talked about as a goat in New York? Though he isn't technically DITC, Big Pun ain't never been talked about as a goat in New York?
Sure, both of them passed away at a young age and that contributes to their legend, neither of them had a real classic album though when they were alive. Big Pun had the potential to be a major NY factor but we'll never know.

As for the rest of DITC, only two of the members (AG and OC) have the discography to match how much lip-service has been paid to them online.

 

[Wacky D]

A fact? naw just an opinion,shared by few

go re-read my post homie.

As for the rest of DITC, only two of the members (AG and OC) have the discography to match how much lip-service has been paid to them online.

is your gripe with new york or the internet?

 

[FruitOfTheVale]

Have you ever been to nyc?

Because honestly the average person in nyc couldn't name all the members of DITC so the lie detector determined that is a lie.
You said anybody in the lox, but other than Jada nobody puts the other two as goats well three if you want to count former member J-hood
Finally dipset as a collective is revered as a goat group from ny, but individually nobody is really placing them in the top 5.

Never lived in New York, I've stayed with family there before though.

The main point I made is that New York media and a lot of their fans have the nerve to place a lot of them dudes from Dipset, DITC and the Lox over dudes like Scarface, DJ Quik, etc. when the track records and influence don't match up period.

 

[Wacky D]

Never lived in New York, I've stayed with family there before though.

The main point I made is that New York media and a lot of their fans have the nerve to place a lot of them dudes from Dipset, DITC and the Lox over dudes like Scarface, DJ Quik, etc. when the track records and influence don't match up period.

dog. youre just throwing names on the wall and seeing what sticks.

the lox & dipset dont even get good placement from the media. theyre moreso peoples champions. especially dipset whose main core guys werent traditional rappers. they were darn near just as popular outside of their region as they were inside of it. theyre a horrible example.

scarface is held in high-regard by the media and veteran east coast listeners that witnessed his prime years. i dont know why youre even bringing him up.

if anything, youre the one thats trying to boost up your favorites. nobody ever said that DITC were more than regional, aside from fat joe. youre forcing an issue that doesnt exist. meanwhile, you turn around and try to boost up dj quik as more than what he is - a regional guy.

That slick rick interview had to be after 93,we was still green then?and yes im from the west,forgot all those times u accused me of homerism?and where these west coast nikkas at?i dont remember a feeling of west coast hate towards the south at all....even when ice t dissed soulja boy he had no backup and had to fall back.

i always heard that interview was from the '80s, if we're talking about the same thing. you got a link?

i knew you for being from KC, which isnt west coast but its the bay's 2nd biggest market.

what does souljah boy/ice t have to do with down south/west coast?

but yea, west coasters used to refer to the south as bama music and chit just like everybody else. silkk even spoke on it in an interview, talking about when no limit started.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

go re-read my post homie.





is your gripe with new york or the internet?

You said you know FOR FACT jada would be in alot of peoples top 5.

 

[Wacky D]

You said you know FOR FACT jada would be in alot of peoples top 5.

yes. majority of the people that have him in their top 5s, would have him in their regardless of his tag-line.

thats all i said.

 

[FruitOfTheVale]

jada is more than just a better lyricist. hes an all-around better emcee than scarface.
scarface is historically a better artist tho.

I don't agree that Jadakiss is "All around better" but I do agree that he's more technical.

who are these west coast lyricists that are better than jadakiss?

Boots Riley is in many ways is more technical than Jadakiss and does not write filler lines.

The Jacka was more versatile with what he rapped about, IMO had a better flow and was just as technical.

There are more but I don't got the time to get into this, I'll mention more of them later.

well for starters, alot of these guys do indeed have track records to f*ck with jay, nas & especially ghostface.

Lol no. Name names please

ive never heard of anybody from DITC being considered a goat, except big l. and DITC are indeed local and/or regional guys except for fat joe. i dont know who told you otherwise.

Every publicized top 100 rappers list in circulation since 98 mentions these dudes without fail but seldom includes local legends from other regions. They always get paid lip service in hip hop docs and specials when their equivalents/contemporaries in other regions do not.

lol @ the lox and especially dipset being compared to local legends.

never heard any goat talk involving anybody from lox or dipset except the great jada debate. if dipset is any goat talk, its for them as a crew and definitely as a movement.

I already said what I said about these dudes in the post you quoted. Where is the undeniably classic material under any of them nikkas belts - solo or group albums - to even put them in the conversation in the first place? I'll wait.

 

[FruitOfTheVale]

is your gripe with new york or the internet

Both.

dog. youre just throwing names on the wall and seeing what sticks.

the lox & dipset dont even get good placement from the media. theyre moreso peoples champions. especially dipset whose main core guys werent traditional rappers. they were darn near just as popular outside of their region as they were inside of it. theyre a horrible example.

The lox didn't get good placement in the media in the late 90s through the mid 2000s? Rofl. Them nikkas was on the radio every day... "I Get High" was spun out here in the Bay Area for more than a year. They don't even make mainstream singles like that outside of "Jenny from the block" and you're tryna say they didn't get pushed.

Where is the classic material to cement any of them dudes though? They don't got the material for how much they get brought up in the conversation.

scarface is held in high-regard by the media and veteran east coast listeners that witnessed his prime years. i dont know why youre even bringing him up.

He's barely recognized on the east... You said it yourself, he's a "sometimesy candidate" out there. Why is that? He's literally done it all. He's made multiple classic group and solo records unlike Jadakiss.

if anything, youre the one thats trying to boost up your favorites. nobody ever said that DITC were more than regional, aside from fat joe. youre forcing an issue that doesnt exist. meanwhile, you turn around and try to boost up dj quik as more than what he is - a regional guy.

This is exactly my point. Quik has classic records out the ass and one of the most influential production styles out the West Coast yet the larger hip hop media shortchanges him big time when it comes to recognizing the fact he has one of the strongest discographies in the entire genre.

 

[H.S.]

The lox didn't get good placement in the media in the late 90s through the mid 2000s? Rofl. Them nikkas was on the radio every day... "I Get High" was spun out here in the Bay Area for more than a year. They don't even make mainstream singles like that outside of "Jenny from the block" and you're tryna say they didn't get pushed.

Where is the classic material to cement any of them dudes though? They don't got the material for how much they get brought up in the conversation.

You're proving his point. Dipset and The Lox got play back then because the people were feeling them. That's it. Those acts were never, ever critical darlings back then.

at Freeky Zeeky and Sheek Louch being critically acclaimed.

And most casual rap fans simply don't care about classic albums like we do. Not unless it's a truly iconic album. The distance between Kiss The Game Goodbye and something like The Fix is going to be negligible to most casual fans.

 

[FruitOfTheVale]

Really though, on what planet is Kiss a goat contender in the tri-state let alone the rest of the map.

Nas
Jay-Z
KRS-One
Rakim
Kool G Rap
Redman
Ghostface


Explain where Kiss fits in on this list without a single classic album to his name lol. Explain where he fits in on this list in terms of influence.