Obama announcing an expansion on student debt relief

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OK. So ask for higher taxes. Cause we pay some of the least taxes of any of these countries you're championing.

Stop offering easy loans to everyone and this problem goes away too.
well guess what, if education didn't cost 50 grand we wouldn't need to take out federal loans and we could avoid all this bullshyt.

I don't want higher taxes, I want defense spending to be reduced because its fukking ABSURD. Shift defense spending to education and free public colleges.

"A nation that continues year after year
to spend more money on military defense
than on programs of social uplift
is approaching spiritual death."

Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
 

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1. Defense spending needs to be high. We can DEFINITELY cut though.

No it does not. That's an archaic Cold War type of thinking. Before WW2, our standing army was maybe 100,000 people at the most. We decided to become the world's policemen after WW2 due to Europe constant infighting and the threat of the Soviets. In all honesty, from a global stability perspective you can make an argument(I don't buy it), that it was the right thing to do.

But it's now 2014, Europe is more interlocked than ever and the Soviet Union no longer exists. I think we can drastically reduce our Military spending and still be the most powerful nation on Earth. That money can then be used to invest in our people.

Unfortunately, we can't even have that conversation due to fear mongering power of special interests.
 

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well guess what, if education didn't cost 50 grand we wouldn't need to take out federal loans and we could avoid all this bullshyt.

AND WHY DO YOU THINK COLLEGE COST 50K???

GUARANTEED STUDENT LOANS.


If ANYONE can get a loan, then college is going to charge more! Theres no incentive to keep prices lower!


I don't want higher taxes, I want defense spending to be reduced because its fukking ABSURD.
False dichotomy. One oing down doesn't help the other.

I want defense spending. Cuts, sure, but defense has nothing to do with education. Drop that.

Shift defense spending to education and free public colleges.
Why does this money have to come from defense? See how you've just accepted that argument in ONLY that form?

And defense isn't just raytheon missiles, little boy.

"A nation that continues year after year
to spend more money on military defense
than on programs of social uplift
is approaching spiritual death."

Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
I can quote Gandhi too. What your point?
 

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No it does not. That's an archaic Cold War type of thinking. Before WW2, our standing army was maybe 100,000 people at the most. We decided to become the world's policemen after WW2 due to Europe constant infighting and the threat of the Soviets. In all honesty, from a global stability perspective you can make an argument(I don't buy it), that it was the right thing to do.
I wanna say that I'm IN FAVOR of a USA led hegemony. cause in 20 years ya'll are gonna realize why the US flexed as hard as we did up to that point. Someone needs to be on top and I'd rather it be us.

But it's now 2014, Europe is more interlocked than ever and the Soviet Union no longer exists. I think we can drastically reduce our Military spending and still be the most powerful nation on Earth. That money can then be used to invest in our people.
Have you been asleep all of 2014? The Soviet Union is basically back. Its not under the veil of communism at this point, but just Russian influence. All the ex-states are basically waiting for CIA and FSB operations to come to a boil and we get all the juicy secrets of the fukkery taking place at this point.

The last 6 months have shown a need for defense spending more than anything since the fall of the wall.
Unfortunately, we can't even have that conversation due to fear mongering power of special interests.
No argument there. But don't diminish the threat of a divided Europe on world stability.
 

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People in this thread keep using the word "free"

:patrice:I don't think it means what you think it means...

If people wanna say socialized, they should just do so. No point is dancing around the term. :heh:

Cause I don't know what "free" means from some of these dudes.
 

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People in this thread keep using the word "free"

:patrice:I don't think it means what you think it means...

It means I'm free to learn whatever the Koch boys and folks like them want me to learn in exchange for half a lifetime's worth of debt right? I think I got it.
 

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If students HAVE to pay the loans back, what incentive to colleges have to lower prices?


The Gov't might as well be much more generous with grants to students and schools (with the express designation of cutting tuition, not going to staff raises etc. and in, at the very least, quantity out-putted, not necessarily amount per)...and colleges should be more lenient on payment programs (most of which have a very short time period). Less loans will be needed then and colleges would have an incentive to lower prices because they will have fewer bad accounts receivable.
 
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