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nikkas watched those bench guys get good minutes in the highest of pressure situations in the conference finals, win us games, but I’m supposed to believe they wouldn’t have made a difference during the regular season cause we trogged our way to 51 wins.
That's the biggest L & dupe that was pulled all season by Thibs. Having most of us believe the bench couldn't contribute & give meaningful mins during the regular season. It's the exact reason he has to be fired. He's too stuck in his own ways & only does what's best & most comfortable for him.

Imagine if those bench guys got regular mins during the regular season? All of these series could've looked a lot different had he done that & not wait till the playoffs. Delon Wright proved during the regular season he could hold down the PG position as a competent backup that could play D, move the ball, hit open shots some, & get the team in the offense

Thibs has to be fired but I don't think it'll happen which is insane
 

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nikkas watched those bench guys get good minutes in the highest of pressure situations in the conference finals, win us games, but I’m supposed to believe they wouldn’t have made a difference during the regular season cause we trogged our way to 51 wins.
not playing wright who has size, defense and playmaking was a strike and a fukk you from Thibs to the front office, then Benching wright and playing Hart all those minutes kolek frozen on the bench. watching Kat limp his way to the end of the regular season with a healthy Mitch and Precious yes precious was ass the last few months but we where locked in the 3 seed, shiet come to find out hukporti was healthy. Thibs was probably trying to Bring Kat along on defense but guys can't slide limping. whats the point of the bench if this guy don't want to play them the season can be resumed in one video which im posting in a few and made me a fan of dude.
 
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Not what you asked me. Would playing Wright, Shamet, Precious, Mitch and Deuce in more variety of lineups for more minutes have helped us this series? We literally were throwing shyt at the wall because a terrible 5 man unit that lead the league in minutes was on the verge of getting swept in the ECF.

Your starting 5 can't be terrible if it won 51 games and two playoff rounds

Wright/Shamet/Precious are place holders can't create offense. Marginal defenders

Mitch/Deuce. Can't create offense. Solid defenders

Playing people more minutes. Who can't score. Is detrimental to team success. Lol

Yall want poor creators and poor FT shooters to play all game. shyts bizarre
 

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I'm just reading these last few pages of Thibs bashing

Then remembering we was all in here thinking that this "roster" was not good/talented enough to beat Boston..........

Yes he has his faults, but you can't say the team has peaked with him when they've progressed closer and closer to the ultimate goal every year the last 4

And nikkas in here hating how Thibs dont play rookies and sticks to favorites, and in the same breath say they want Mike Malone? Who lost his job for basically doing just that? Lol...
 
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I'm just reading these last few pages of Thibs bashing

Then remembering we was all in here thinking that this "roster" was not good/talented enough to beat Boston..........

Yes he has his faults, but you can't say the team has peaked with him when they've progressed closer and closer to the ultimate goal every year the last 4
Does Thibs deserve the bashing & is it warranted?

Allowing centers to guard Hart from half the regular season till the damn end of the playoffs without any adjustments or making teams pay is inexcusable. He had more than 82 games of Hart in the starting lineup that proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that it doesn't work. How much more evidence do you need to know Thibs isn't the right fit here?
 

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one of ya'll Twitter knickas need to post the video there and have the fandom posting bridges press conference 24/7 this would force a move. however i think Rose is watching the market to see if he can get in on the action. we might be out of the Giannis sweepstakes due to low draft capital hey kat Is BFF 's with Devin Booker work some backdoor Magic via their agents into a phoenix trade :jbhmm:
 

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Does Thibs deserve the bashing & is it warranted?

Allowing centers to guard Hart from half the regular season till the damn end of the playoffs without any adjustments or making teams pay is inexcusable. He had more than 82 games of Hart in the starting lineup that proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that it doesn't work. How much more evidence do you need to know Thibs isn't the right fit here?

They knocked off the champs when nobody thought they had a chance and made the conference finals for the first time in 25 years

Solid evidence.....word

And Hart won't be starting next year regardless
 

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Your starting 5 can't be terrible if it won 51 games and two playoff rounds

Wright/Shamet/Precious are place holders can't create offense. Marginal defenders

Mitch/Deuce. Can't create offense. Solid defenders

Playing people more minutes. Who can't score. Is detrimental to team success. Lol

Yall want poor creators and poor FT shooters to play all game. shyts bizarre
You put them in lineups with people who can create. Why are y’all being so dense about this? No team rests there entire 5 and plays the entire bench together for extended minutes. There’s so many rotation possibilities that would really work for this team that can get Brunson and KAT surrounded by defenders separately since getting them to gel together seemed to big a task for Thibs.

What if this was a 60 win team if managed properly? Why are we just accepting that this was the best this team could be. Yes, we were flawed. But some of these flaws were avoidable. Y’all share the same major flaw that Thibs has, which is focused on the right now instead of the big picture.
 

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I do think they should Fire Thibs, cause he dusty but I doubt it. Between Brunson not even wanting to hear a question about it, and the fact they got to ECF i dont see them letting him go. He got outcoached, but the coaching ain’t what beat them. The Brunson/KAT defensive issues did and no there is no way to stagger for that effectively when Hart is the sixth man who can’t get heavy minutes either.

Based on everything I think it’s KAT who gets moved. We already heard reports that Thibs is good. We then heard reports everyone is annoyed with KAT. Unless Rose come‘s out with a statement saying KAT is here to stay I don’t see it working out.

If I was a gambling man I would say peep Trey Murphy as someone who might come back to NY. He is boys with Brunson, NOP just said he is on the market, and I think a KD trade is going to need about 3-4 teams to get around all the apron shyt involved. I don’t think the Knicks want KD, he is a little bit of a prima donna who deserves to be based on his talent but the Knicks whole culture is about “next man up“ and team cohesiveness. For a guy who got Atkinson fired so his puppet coach Nash could be hired and Lowkey runs through coaches more than anyone except Lebron. I don’t see the Knicks getting KD. It’s never 100% hoops with MSG it’s at least 25% maybe more about relationships.

Anyhow peep Trey Murphy. This is sort of like when I told ya’ll they are going to go for Bridges. If Murphy is on the market trust they are gonna try to get him, if they can get that Pelicans center Missi to be Robinson’s back up I think they would go to a lot of trouble to get that deal done.
 
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You put them in lineups with people who can create. Why are y’all being so dense about this? No team rests there entire 5 and plays the entire bench together for extended minutes. There’s so many rotation possibilities that would really work for this team that can get Brunson and KAT surrounded by defenders separately since getting them to gel together seemed to big a task for Thibs.

What if this was a 60 win team if managed properly? Why are we just accepting that this was the best this team could be. Yes, we were flawed. But some of these flaws were avoidable. Y’all share the same major flaw that Thibs has, which is focused on the right now instead of the big picture.
Bro this is why I was pissed when Thibs got here because his flaws cap a team ceiling but raise the floor. The FO desperately want to raise that floor so they will always give Thibs space because as long as we’re a playoff team Dolan is happy. That only real solace in this is if they dont get to the Finals next year I think he is gone. Nothing proceeds like success, and this season raised the bar Thibs has to meet.
 

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I'm just reading these last few pages of Thibs bashing

Then remembering we was all in here thinking that this "roster" was not good/talented enough to beat Boston..........

Yes he has his faults, but you can't say the team has peaked with him when they've progressed closer and closer to the ultimate goal every year the last 4

And nikkas in here hating how Thibs dont play rookies and sticks to favorites, and in the same breath say they want Mike Malone? Who lost his job for basically doing just that? Lol...
But then we did beat Boston. And ran into a team that exposed all our flaws in embarrassing fashion. If you genuinely believe Thibs can right the ship I can respect that. But it’s gotta based on more than “well he’s gotten us this far”. Cause nobody is denying that, we’re just arguing that this is as far as he can take us.
 

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Your starting 5 can't be terrible if it won 51 games and two playoff rounds

Wright/Shamet/Precious are place holders can't create offense. Marginal defenders

Mitch/Deuce. Can't create offense. Solid defenders

Playing people more minutes. Who can't score. Is detrimental to team success. Lol

Yall want poor creators and poor FT shooters to play all game. shyts bizarre
Bridges showed he can create offense when trusted with the ball, combine him with Wright's size serves a 3 way relief
1 gives Bridges a breather on having to defend the opposing ball handler,
2 keeps bridges engaged in the game not having him play 45 minutes of runnning around doing the same thing no wonder dude would pass up on lay ups he tired from running all around the court, i only played D1 and Fiba ball but I played on the perimeter and down low its exhausting running around for 35 minutes + in 40+ games, never mind 40+ minutes in 101 games breh Detroit went 7, boston went 6 this went 6 add 82 to that its 101 games.
all the great teams found ways to give their main guys breathers while on the floor either via coaches positioning on offense , keep the main guy off the ball as a decoy or to pass the ball around. ala Chesse eyes passing to kerr, Paxton shiet 91 bulls title Jordan led the Bulls in assist and he was the shooting guard. he Changed his chucking ways via coaching bringing in Phil Jax and switch to triangle from Doug Collins Let MJ chuck all game ball we have a similar problem now with Brunson Love the guy to death but he dribbling the air out the ball and looked not tired but a lil less sharp probably from overthinking and from being hunted all game on defense which brings me to my third point

3 playing wright more would give Brunson a chance to get better rest and see the game from the bench and have a chance to see mismatches. I got hurt during my freshman year in college my coach played in the NBA and he taught me a lot about the game by going around the country scouting while I rehabbed and played with some pro's the one advice they all gave was watch the tapes and learn your matchups tendencies that meant learn their offense and defense so I can better position myself on the floor on both sides and take breaks while still playing. know when to slow the game down when to up the tempo. when being screened whom to cut under or fight over.
I understand Brunson feels he can beat anyone 1 on 1 but the coaching needs to realize his size and defensive limitations , alright one coach is his pops so he probably encourages it more the other one hopped on that same bandwagon that being Thibs cause he knows that his Job rides on Brunson being happy. the main solution was the ball maybe 10-15 minutes less off Brunson's hands feed the Bigmen, OG and Bridges more. bench Hart no more than 15-20 mins a game. sounds easy from an outside perspective but Thibs being thibs and trying to keep his job playing the game within the game. he prob gon come out and shyt on Kat putting the ball Roses court. but one of the Villanova guys is not happy with Thibs :youngsabo:
 
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