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JMurder
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If that's the case then every time you shyt on Frank, we'll call that scapegoating as well
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Pass me the rock nikka
You are under the assumption that because he hasn’t dropped his foul rate that he isn’t being developed.
He may never gain defensive discipline. There’s things players never drastically improve on regardless of the work they put in. Some guys are who they are.
Mitch knows wtf is going on and he needs to put in the work and get in that mind state to improve. It also takes time.
JMurder
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I can only assume based on what I have seen. Last year, Mitch had the same foul troubles he's having now. The Knicks brought in an outside assistant to help him figure out how to improve his game. His game improved and his foul woes disappeared. This year his foul woes have returned and he hasn't appeared to have figured out why. Can't say "he may never gain defensive discipline" because he's already displayed it for stretches at a time. This isn't something that shows up every now and then like Julius Randle's ability to pass the ball. Of course...I could be wrong and Mitch never figures it out. But I think that since he was able to sustain the ability to defend without fouling last season, that it should be up to our staff to help him figure it out. I don't think that's crazy
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Pass me the rock nikka
What are you talking about?
DeAndre Jordan?
His foul rate was trash all year. His foul rate may have dropped by .4 or something at best. When the hell did his foul woes disappear?
Mitchell Robinson 2018-19 Game Log | Basketball-Reference.com
JMurder
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Thanks for saving me the trouble.What are you talking about?
DeAndre Jordan?
His foul rate was trash all year. His foul rate may have dropped by .4 or something at best. When the hell did his foul woes disappear?
Mitchell Robinson 2018-19 Game Log | Basketball-Reference.com
If you look at those stats, before the trade Mitch played more than 30 minutes once, had 5 games of 6 fouls, 4 games with 5 fouls, and 6 games with 4 fouls. That 30 minute game he had was one of the 5 foul games.
Post trade, Mitch's minutes rose which should've resulted in more foul-outs, and more games of high foul numbers.
He played 30 minutes in 9 games, 3 games with 6 fouls, 3 games with 5 fouls, and 7 games with 4 fouls.
His 30 minute games are as follows: 4 fouls, 3 fouls, 4 fouls, 3 fouls, 3 fouls, 3 fouls, 4 fouls and 3 fouls. That's a marked improvement when considering the increase in minutes with none of the 30 minute games being higher than 4 fouls. Did he have an occasional game where he made his old mistakes? Yes, but I think cutting your foul outs in half and playing more minutes from your first 36 games to your last 30 is improvement.
He hasn't played 20 games this year and he's already fouled out 3 times and has only played 30 minutes once. That's regression.
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But Randle was their big free agent pickup. If they signed Morris first I don't think he would even be on this team. Maybe they are playing him so much to build up his value to trade him. As far as tanking goes I think it is necessary at this point. I would rather miss the playoffs and play our young guys at this point to see what we really have. There are a few players in this upcoming draft that can turn a franchise around. The 76er's did it and it worked out for them. The year after this one we can attempt to contend because he have other teams picks.
I would rather miss the playoffs than be the 8th seed this season. If nothing changes by the trade deadline then they should tank and make some changes in the front office.
JMurder
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I think it's a reach to say if they picked up Morris first they wouldn't have signed Randle. I believe the front office wanted both and got both because of it.
I'm also wondering why you would assume "playing the young guys" would result in more losses. It's at odds with my theory of "if you play Randle and Morris less you might win more games" theory
Columbo
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I have a solution for Mitch. Trade Julius to Houston for Tyson Chandler and whoever else to make it work financially
Deep_Black_Conscious
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Saving grace is...as trash and unwatchable as the Knicks are...
Dues and Mero are even worse.
Cup half fullseemorecizzy
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im a fan of frank, but he isnt an significant enough player to be scapegoated for anything.If that's the case then every time you shyt on Frank, we'll call that scapegoating as well
a lot of yall seem to think we have a great team and are only being held back by a shytty coach. thats madness to me
seemorecizzy
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we missed 12 ft's against the nets, lost by 4
we missed 7 free throws against celticz, lost by 2
we missed 7 fts n da nets rematch, lost by 2
we missed 14 free throws against philly, lost by 6
we missed 11 free throws last night, lost by 9
thats an extra 4-5 wins right there.
we are shooting a league worse 69 percent from the line. is it the coach's fault these bums can hit freethrows?
enough with the lazy ass narratives.
also, its not on fizz or even fukkin deandre jordan to tell mitch not to commit the same dumb fouls over and over again for last 2 seasons.
some players just get it over some time, some players just dont. as of now, mitch plays like a idiot and its no ones responsbilty but its his own.
we missed 7 free throws against celticz, lost by 2
we missed 7 fts n da nets rematch, lost by 2
we missed 14 free throws against philly, lost by 6
we missed 11 free throws last night, lost by 9
thats an extra 4-5 wins right there.
we are shooting a league worse 69 percent from the line. is it the coach's fault these bums can hit freethrows?
enough with the lazy ass narratives.
also, its not on fizz or even fukkin deandre jordan to tell mitch not to commit the same dumb fouls over and over again for last 2 seasons.
some players just get it over some time, some players just dont. as of now, mitch plays like a idiot and its no ones responsbilty but its his own.
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Last evening, the Knicks gave their fanbase a bit of deja vu, losing a second half lead and the game to Boston 104-113. Scott Perry and Steve Mills showed up ten games back to say they wanted improvement and the Knicks did offer a bit of improvement from being blown out frequently to playing more competitive basketball before giving up runs late. They're still losing though and it's hard to feel any optimism when the small improvements they've made haven't meant any more victories...but as someone who watches every game to try and let y'all know how things are trending, I've got to admit. Look no further than Julius Randle sharing the rock more often early in games or the steady settling in of DSJ and Dot as they get their form back. None of this is enough to turn a bad team into a playoff team, but it's at least kept the product watchable. More importantly, if these trends can continue we might actually start seeing the skeleton of a core forming. It's been rough, but let's see what direction we're moving in.
Frank: Frank Ntilikina started out with some promising aggression, missing a lay-up but quickly following up with a three point make. But he never quite seemed right and after his first trip to the bench, he went to the locker room. It turns out the French Prince was nursing a back injury, to go with the groin soreness that we've been seeing on injury reports. So Frank played just 7 minutes before shutting it down and the Knicks were left without their only consistently reliable PG of the season...but DSJ stepped up!
RJ: It's a testament to his upside that RJ Barrett can make a 4/13 performance a positive impact, quality contribution anyway. Barrett pulled this off by constantly attacking and getting to the free throw line. So over 35 minutes, the rookie pumped in 16 points, 7 boards, a steal and block on 4/13 from the field, 0/2 from three but also 8/13 from the free throw line. And yes, the free throw shooting is still worrisome, but his ability to get there is really promising regardless.
Barrett getting into the teeth of a defense creates openings for everyone. His misses inside are offensive rebound opportunities because so many defenders are out of place, collapsing to help stop a 19 year old rookie with crazy strength for his age. Barrett also locked in defensively on multiple occasions and contributed seven boards including some important ones. The guards gave up a lot of long offensive boards, RJ was the one perimeter guy really getting after those necessary rebounds.
Knox: In a move that's so Fizdale, Kevin Knox went from a DNP straight into the starting line-up to cover for Marcus Morris. This was a chance for the kid to start in his preferred position right after being sent a message from his coach about effort. Then, with an early weak side rotation, Young Kev blocked Kemba Walker and set a precedent for himself the rest of the way. Let's just say that Fizdale benched Kevin Knox and the kid responded well.
Knox posted 11 points, 5 boards and 2 blocks over a 22 minute run that included 2/6 from three. The former lottery pick was an immediate source for better spacing for the starters, operating almost exclusively behind the three point line whereas Morris tends to float into similar places that Randle, Taj, Portis and Mitch like to occupy. The kid attacked off the dribble some and took three's when he had space, a callback to how he started the season. But the more important standout was Kevin's defense. Don't get me wrong, he was far from perfect but Knox was locked in and focused. Outside of some early foul trouble that you might expect from a player turning up his effort, Kevin Knox turned in his best defensive effort in weeks!
Randle: I know that Julius Randle has become a bit of a fanbase whipping boy, but the amount that his approach has changed (especially early in games) is impressive. Randle has started the last three or four games by looking to get others going and let the offense come to him. But against the Celtics, facing the much smaller Marcus Smart, Julius Randle had every excuse to attack and chose not to. Instead, Randle spotted double teams and moved the ball until he could receive it with closer position to the rim. The result was one of his best games of the season.
Randle put up 26 points, 2 assist to 4 TO's and 5 rebounds on 8/16 from the field, 0/5 from three and 10/13 from the free throw line. The 25 year old has had more impressive stat lines, but even with 4 TO's, this was a more under control Julius Randle. He had a couple of TO's that came trying to draw defenders in and kick it out but his handle failed him and the passes didn't connect. Still, that's a far cry from just getting stripped on multiple forays into the paint.
More importantly, like Knox, Randle turned in an improved defensive effort. Also, just like Knox, that doesn't mean he was particularly good but Randle showed much more effort and had moments where his presence shined as an actual positive rather than a detriment to the team on defense. Randle still forced things late in the game when the team floundered and his defense is still a long way from being truly acceptable. But he's taken a nice stride in the right direction from a playstyle mindset.
Taj: I could copy and past most Taj performance descriptions. He's a steady role player and needed veteran presence. In this one he posted 4 points, 3 boards and 4 steals on 2/6 from the field in 20 minutes. It was a solid performance and he's a rare good fit for a mostly mismatched roster.
DSJ: In the absence of Frank Ntilikina or any other PG option, Dennis Smith Jr took a bit of time to find his rhythm but when he did...can I just tell everyone that this is why I keep saying he's worth patience? Smith became the engine of a transition offense for a while there. He'd sometimes beat his whole team down court, run through the paint and then pick out a trailer with a full head of steam for the rim. There were acrobatic finishes at times and at others Smith shot the ball well enough to respect it. We'll get into the negative aspects later, but for a nice chunk of game Dennis Smith Jr made the game easier for everyone on offense.
DSJ put up 17 points, 7 assists to 2 TO's and added a pair of blocks to the mix (a nice recovery block on Kemba Walker really stood out). The assist to turnover ratio wasn't the only place where Smith was highly efficient. The third year PG was 6/11 from the field and 2/3 from three point land even calling for the rock when he had space in the corner. His one downside was 3/6 from the free throw line aka the Knicks cursed FT shooting has him in its grips as well. But beyond the offense, Smith also put in a better defensive effort for most of the night. Just like Knox and Randle before him it wasn't perfect though...
So two issues were kinda glaring for Smith. One is that the defense is pretty obviously designed around Frank's flexibility. That's because Smith was continually the victim of being switched onto bigger guys like Tatum and even Williams at one point. He couldn't stop those guys on drives, jumpers or anything else...it was just a mismatch. The other issue is that he's not in the right shape to keep up his energy for 38 minutes. The kid ran out of steam late and when things tightened up, we were back to the familiar place of Randle in isolation with the entire defense shading him. But make no mistakes, this was a performance to build on especially since he's barely gotten his legs under him.
Dot: Damyean Dotson has had some weaker performances recently, but yesterday he showed his value to the fullest. Dot posted 10 points, 3 assists, 4 boards, 1 steal and 1 block over a 32 minute run. He was efficient as well, shooting 4/6 from the field and 2/4 from three while only turning over the rock once. Dot wasn't giving away possessions. That's important to note because this wasn't a floating game where Dotson roamed outside and just took open looks. The third year player attacked off the dribble a number of times and got good results.
The three ball is the most promising aspect of the game though. Dot has been looking for his jumper all season but in this one, he even took a step back three that was somewhat contested for a make. He looked closer to the Dot of last year, where too much space got punished. This is Dotson, the guy who can give you a little bit of everything but shouldn't be your best guy at any one thing. His is making secondary contributions across the board.
Wayne: Personally, I appreciate the spacing that the Dot and Wayne Ellington combination brings to the floor. They come off of the bench and immediately give everyone room to operate. But I also appreciate that Ellington is best utilized for 15 minutes a night unless he catches fire at some point. This game was a sweet spot of 13 minutes played, 1/2 shooting and a statline of 2 points, 3 boards and 1 assist to 1 TO. It was a solid contribution in limited time but one without forced three pointers and with a better effort to contribute in other areas.
Portis: In a similar manner to Ellington, I think of Bobby Portis as good at a certain amount of time and brutal at anything above it. The big man flirted with disaster based mainly on the fact that he simply could not make the C's pay for leaving him open. On most nights, Bobby would knock down the open three pointers he got but in this one that three ball held him back. His performance wasn't bad without it, but was missing a bit of bite. So Bobby posted 9 points and 6 boards off of 3/8 from the field and 1/4 from three in 21 minutes.
Playing BP more than that 21 minutes could have hurt as his defense is flawed and he's always a risk to try a little too much. But inside of that span, we got nothing really forced and just a solid contribution of rebounds and points. Not bad.
Mitch: This game seemed like more of a struggle for Mitchell Robinson than even his numbers suggest. He wasn't strong enough to keep up with Enes Kanter and that led to early fouls. Then he just didn't quite get his feet under him the rest of the way but was still solid. So Mitch put up 6 points, 5 boards and 2 TO's in a 20 minute span with yet another 6 fouls on his season. To be fair though, the last foul was an intentional one that was needed to stop the clock.
We still got a flash of spectacular as Mitch helped force a TO, outran everybody and received an alley-oop pass from behind himself to finish on a dunk. His athleticism flies off the screen at times, but he hasn't shown it as often or as comfortably since he rolled his ankle a while back. His lack of strength to deal with bigger Centers continues to shine as the second biggest issue holding him back with the fouling obviously as first. Even his timing has been a bit off, it's rare to see him play so long and pick up zero blocks. The foul trouble has gotten the lion's share of attention but I think there's a bit more going on. There are little things holding him back. Timing, health and chemistry can all come together still and I think his foul woes will be reduced a bit when they do.
Fiz: Well, I give David Fizdale a ton of crap and I am still worried about the slow development of the youth...but the youth is showing signs of stepping forward. Frank's been a revelation, Barrett was good from day one, but Knox responded to a challenge and DSJ was ready for a bigger load because he kept getting chances through struggles. Even Randle and Morris have stepped back from forcing the ball so much in recent efforts. The team really did take a few small steps forward in the games since the infamous press conference. It's just harder to see because the schedule got tougher and the Knicks still lost games.
I wanted to start off on a nice note, because I'm not gonna lie about the fact that Fizdale got outcoached pretty blatantly in the fourth quarter. The C's practically dared Randle to attack his defenders who were almost exclusively guards, but then they had well timed double teams completely break Randle's ability to produce. The C's came out of a Fizdale time out, forced an immediate turnover and continued on a massive run to close out the game. Tommy Dee mentioned on the KnicksfanTV post game show that in the prior two games, the C's outscored the Knicks coming out of Timeouts by 14 to 0. I doubt that improved much after yesterday.
That said, there was one clever move from Fiz. In the third quarter, Damyean Dotson came in for what looked like RJ. But with undersized Carsen Edwards coming into the game and no back-up PG's, Fiz pulled DSJ instead for a much needed breather. This meant below 6 foot Edwards had to try and guard RJ Barrett, an impossible challenge. So considering Fizdale was down two starters and up against a playoff team, I think he performed commendably in this one. He can't shoot free throws for these guys and this is a second game where the difference in missed FT's and the end result equals the difference between a win and a loss.
A needed shift: Here's one bit I want to add. The Knicks are close enough to the playoffs not to give up, but I think the best direction would be to hand the keys to the kids ASAP (aka December 15th via a trade or two). This team isn't ready to pull out tough wins whether the vets play or not. The most positive games happen when the kids are comfortable enough to take on a bigger role. Let's press our luck since we don't have any regardless. Knox as a starter was a much better player, DSJ with time and touches found rhythm, Frank saw the benefits of more demand from the offense early on as well.
This season has been ugly, but it'd be an easier pill to swallow if the kids were getting even more opportunities to shine. That's not just asking for minutes but for the ball in their hands. Will it lead to ugly TO's like Dot's late against the C's or Frank's the night before? Yes! But I can live with those TO's much more than Randle dribbling off his own leg or Ellington shooting before he ever sets his feet.
Frank: Frank Ntilikina started out with some promising aggression, missing a lay-up but quickly following up with a three point make. But he never quite seemed right and after his first trip to the bench, he went to the locker room. It turns out the French Prince was nursing a back injury, to go with the groin soreness that we've been seeing on injury reports. So Frank played just 7 minutes before shutting it down and the Knicks were left without their only consistently reliable PG of the season...but DSJ stepped up!
RJ: It's a testament to his upside that RJ Barrett can make a 4/13 performance a positive impact, quality contribution anyway. Barrett pulled this off by constantly attacking and getting to the free throw line. So over 35 minutes, the rookie pumped in 16 points, 7 boards, a steal and block on 4/13 from the field, 0/2 from three but also 8/13 from the free throw line. And yes, the free throw shooting is still worrisome, but his ability to get there is really promising regardless.
Barrett getting into the teeth of a defense creates openings for everyone. His misses inside are offensive rebound opportunities because so many defenders are out of place, collapsing to help stop a 19 year old rookie with crazy strength for his age. Barrett also locked in defensively on multiple occasions and contributed seven boards including some important ones. The guards gave up a lot of long offensive boards, RJ was the one perimeter guy really getting after those necessary rebounds.
Knox: In a move that's so Fizdale, Kevin Knox went from a DNP straight into the starting line-up to cover for Marcus Morris. This was a chance for the kid to start in his preferred position right after being sent a message from his coach about effort. Then, with an early weak side rotation, Young Kev blocked Kemba Walker and set a precedent for himself the rest of the way. Let's just say that Fizdale benched Kevin Knox and the kid responded well.
Knox posted 11 points, 5 boards and 2 blocks over a 22 minute run that included 2/6 from three. The former lottery pick was an immediate source for better spacing for the starters, operating almost exclusively behind the three point line whereas Morris tends to float into similar places that Randle, Taj, Portis and Mitch like to occupy. The kid attacked off the dribble some and took three's when he had space, a callback to how he started the season. But the more important standout was Kevin's defense. Don't get me wrong, he was far from perfect but Knox was locked in and focused. Outside of some early foul trouble that you might expect from a player turning up his effort, Kevin Knox turned in his best defensive effort in weeks!
Randle: I know that Julius Randle has become a bit of a fanbase whipping boy, but the amount that his approach has changed (especially early in games) is impressive. Randle has started the last three or four games by looking to get others going and let the offense come to him. But against the Celtics, facing the much smaller Marcus Smart, Julius Randle had every excuse to attack and chose not to. Instead, Randle spotted double teams and moved the ball until he could receive it with closer position to the rim. The result was one of his best games of the season.
Randle put up 26 points, 2 assist to 4 TO's and 5 rebounds on 8/16 from the field, 0/5 from three and 10/13 from the free throw line. The 25 year old has had more impressive stat lines, but even with 4 TO's, this was a more under control Julius Randle. He had a couple of TO's that came trying to draw defenders in and kick it out but his handle failed him and the passes didn't connect. Still, that's a far cry from just getting stripped on multiple forays into the paint.
More importantly, like Knox, Randle turned in an improved defensive effort. Also, just like Knox, that doesn't mean he was particularly good but Randle showed much more effort and had moments where his presence shined as an actual positive rather than a detriment to the team on defense. Randle still forced things late in the game when the team floundered and his defense is still a long way from being truly acceptable. But he's taken a nice stride in the right direction from a playstyle mindset.
Taj: I could copy and past most Taj performance descriptions. He's a steady role player and needed veteran presence. In this one he posted 4 points, 3 boards and 4 steals on 2/6 from the field in 20 minutes. It was a solid performance and he's a rare good fit for a mostly mismatched roster.
DSJ: In the absence of Frank Ntilikina or any other PG option, Dennis Smith Jr took a bit of time to find his rhythm but when he did...can I just tell everyone that this is why I keep saying he's worth patience? Smith became the engine of a transition offense for a while there. He'd sometimes beat his whole team down court, run through the paint and then pick out a trailer with a full head of steam for the rim. There were acrobatic finishes at times and at others Smith shot the ball well enough to respect it. We'll get into the negative aspects later, but for a nice chunk of game Dennis Smith Jr made the game easier for everyone on offense.
DSJ put up 17 points, 7 assists to 2 TO's and added a pair of blocks to the mix (a nice recovery block on Kemba Walker really stood out). The assist to turnover ratio wasn't the only place where Smith was highly efficient. The third year PG was 6/11 from the field and 2/3 from three point land even calling for the rock when he had space in the corner. His one downside was 3/6 from the free throw line aka the Knicks cursed FT shooting has him in its grips as well. But beyond the offense, Smith also put in a better defensive effort for most of the night. Just like Knox and Randle before him it wasn't perfect though...
So two issues were kinda glaring for Smith. One is that the defense is pretty obviously designed around Frank's flexibility. That's because Smith was continually the victim of being switched onto bigger guys like Tatum and even Williams at one point. He couldn't stop those guys on drives, jumpers or anything else...it was just a mismatch. The other issue is that he's not in the right shape to keep up his energy for 38 minutes. The kid ran out of steam late and when things tightened up, we were back to the familiar place of Randle in isolation with the entire defense shading him. But make no mistakes, this was a performance to build on especially since he's barely gotten his legs under him.
Dot: Damyean Dotson has had some weaker performances recently, but yesterday he showed his value to the fullest. Dot posted 10 points, 3 assists, 4 boards, 1 steal and 1 block over a 32 minute run. He was efficient as well, shooting 4/6 from the field and 2/4 from three while only turning over the rock once. Dot wasn't giving away possessions. That's important to note because this wasn't a floating game where Dotson roamed outside and just took open looks. The third year player attacked off the dribble a number of times and got good results.
The three ball is the most promising aspect of the game though. Dot has been looking for his jumper all season but in this one, he even took a step back three that was somewhat contested for a make. He looked closer to the Dot of last year, where too much space got punished. This is Dotson, the guy who can give you a little bit of everything but shouldn't be your best guy at any one thing. His is making secondary contributions across the board.
Wayne: Personally, I appreciate the spacing that the Dot and Wayne Ellington combination brings to the floor. They come off of the bench and immediately give everyone room to operate. But I also appreciate that Ellington is best utilized for 15 minutes a night unless he catches fire at some point. This game was a sweet spot of 13 minutes played, 1/2 shooting and a statline of 2 points, 3 boards and 1 assist to 1 TO. It was a solid contribution in limited time but one without forced three pointers and with a better effort to contribute in other areas.
Portis: In a similar manner to Ellington, I think of Bobby Portis as good at a certain amount of time and brutal at anything above it. The big man flirted with disaster based mainly on the fact that he simply could not make the C's pay for leaving him open. On most nights, Bobby would knock down the open three pointers he got but in this one that three ball held him back. His performance wasn't bad without it, but was missing a bit of bite. So Bobby posted 9 points and 6 boards off of 3/8 from the field and 1/4 from three in 21 minutes.
Playing BP more than that 21 minutes could have hurt as his defense is flawed and he's always a risk to try a little too much. But inside of that span, we got nothing really forced and just a solid contribution of rebounds and points. Not bad.
Mitch: This game seemed like more of a struggle for Mitchell Robinson than even his numbers suggest. He wasn't strong enough to keep up with Enes Kanter and that led to early fouls. Then he just didn't quite get his feet under him the rest of the way but was still solid. So Mitch put up 6 points, 5 boards and 2 TO's in a 20 minute span with yet another 6 fouls on his season. To be fair though, the last foul was an intentional one that was needed to stop the clock.
We still got a flash of spectacular as Mitch helped force a TO, outran everybody and received an alley-oop pass from behind himself to finish on a dunk. His athleticism flies off the screen at times, but he hasn't shown it as often or as comfortably since he rolled his ankle a while back. His lack of strength to deal with bigger Centers continues to shine as the second biggest issue holding him back with the fouling obviously as first. Even his timing has been a bit off, it's rare to see him play so long and pick up zero blocks. The foul trouble has gotten the lion's share of attention but I think there's a bit more going on. There are little things holding him back. Timing, health and chemistry can all come together still and I think his foul woes will be reduced a bit when they do.
Fiz: Well, I give David Fizdale a ton of crap and I am still worried about the slow development of the youth...but the youth is showing signs of stepping forward. Frank's been a revelation, Barrett was good from day one, but Knox responded to a challenge and DSJ was ready for a bigger load because he kept getting chances through struggles. Even Randle and Morris have stepped back from forcing the ball so much in recent efforts. The team really did take a few small steps forward in the games since the infamous press conference. It's just harder to see because the schedule got tougher and the Knicks still lost games.
I wanted to start off on a nice note, because I'm not gonna lie about the fact that Fizdale got outcoached pretty blatantly in the fourth quarter. The C's practically dared Randle to attack his defenders who were almost exclusively guards, but then they had well timed double teams completely break Randle's ability to produce. The C's came out of a Fizdale time out, forced an immediate turnover and continued on a massive run to close out the game. Tommy Dee mentioned on the KnicksfanTV post game show that in the prior two games, the C's outscored the Knicks coming out of Timeouts by 14 to 0. I doubt that improved much after yesterday.
That said, there was one clever move from Fiz. In the third quarter, Damyean Dotson came in for what looked like RJ. But with undersized Carsen Edwards coming into the game and no back-up PG's, Fiz pulled DSJ instead for a much needed breather. This meant below 6 foot Edwards had to try and guard RJ Barrett, an impossible challenge. So considering Fizdale was down two starters and up against a playoff team, I think he performed commendably in this one. He can't shoot free throws for these guys and this is a second game where the difference in missed FT's and the end result equals the difference between a win and a loss.
A needed shift: Here's one bit I want to add. The Knicks are close enough to the playoffs not to give up, but I think the best direction would be to hand the keys to the kids ASAP (aka December 15th via a trade or two). This team isn't ready to pull out tough wins whether the vets play or not. The most positive games happen when the kids are comfortable enough to take on a bigger role. Let's press our luck since we don't have any regardless. Knox as a starter was a much better player, DSJ with time and touches found rhythm, Frank saw the benefits of more demand from the offense early on as well.
This season has been ugly, but it'd be an easier pill to swallow if the kids were getting even more opportunities to shine. That's not just asking for minutes but for the ball in their hands. Will it lead to ugly TO's like Dot's late against the C's or Frank's the night before? Yes! But I can live with those TO's much more than Randle dribbling off his own leg or Ellington shooting before he ever sets his feet.
storyteller
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Not to delve too much into the Fiz is bad debate. I actually do think he's improved his rotation and in game coaching but like with everything Knicks related, it's gone from blatantly bad to showing some promise. That said...
We're not the only ones who think the Knicks should be better than this. There's a HUGE gap between where they are now and anything even good. I say the Knicks should be better as in they should be on pace for 25-28 wins and I'm worried they won't break 20.
We're not the only ones who think the Knicks should be better than this. There's a HUGE gap between where they are now and anything even good. I say the Knicks should be better as in they should be on pace for 25-28 wins and I'm worried they won't break 20.
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