On a technical level Eminem shyts on Nas and its not even close...heres why

[the rhyme king]

Would love to hear em and nas on the same track. But yea that much is obvious, doesn't make him better overall and nas's technique is solid as fukk and allows for more consistency. Either way they both got their base from Kool G.

Also double time is great for variety but not necessary, it def keeps nas from being able to do some of the shyt that em, or even jay does as far as riding beats, but he has his own pocket and is smart enough to stay there..nas on a beat like "hovi baby"

nas has done double time flow but not for an entire song though just check his verse on young jeezy's my president is black

and nas did not get his rhyme style from g rap he got it from rakim

his usage of internal rhymes syllable usage and the way rhyme in their rhyme patterns and where they place their rhymes on the hi hat and sare is just like rakim.

 

[the rhyme king]

lol rhyming and syllable counting is 9th grade intro to writing statues

i did'nt mention anything about rhyme schemes or syllable count in regards to your post what are u talking about ?

 

[mr.africa]

double time flow confuses so many people.i see that the double time flow has people thinking em is on levels others cannot reach.
get the fukk outta here with nas cannot see em technically. as a nas fan i will agree em is better technically, but it is much closer than people think.
nas uses fast flow every now and then, but only fleetingly. so dude has it in his arsenal.
example lil wayne's outro track

'Track record goes back to "The Essence",
Smack adolescents who ask who the best is
I'm nasty like gas from a fat man, intestine,
I pass it, you gaspin' for breath and you die fast
But I'm like a gastric bypass,....'

and there are other aspects where nas makes em look like an amateur. nas says shyt like this:

To call them fake today is hate, real nikkas extinct
Pac left me inside a rap world with nikkas that wink
At other rappers, undercover nikkas spit every way
Won't be surprised if all their rides have federal plates
Let alone their wardrobes and Studio 4 flow
It was real when I appeared, it would've been some jaws broke
Nas, my real name, stage name, same thing
How could you let these lames claim king? I'm so ashamed, man
I light a L for Vernon, for nikkas who would burn in Hell
For Vernon; 10th Street, 12th Street, Nightmare on Elm Street
Pimps creep, delve deep inside the editorials
Of the ghetto queens, kings, stories true
Who possesses the testicular fortitude
To blow away myths that's a hindrance to all of you
You blame your own shortcomings on sex and race
The mafia, homosexuals and all the Jews
It's hogwash point of views, stereotypical
Anti-Semitic like the foul words Gibson spewed
And it's pathetic, I don't get the credit I deserve
That's why I hate doing interviews
But I don't sweat it, study long, study raw
My man Dion said "Nas over-think the songs he writing"
I'm not a wack performer standing near a corny hype man
I got the Donism in me, I'm here to enlighten


i guess i am one of those that admires fast flow but am not overly impressed by it.

 

[scuba]

nas has done double time flow but not for an entire song though just check his verse on young jeezy's my president is black

and nas did not get his rhyme style from g rap he got it from rakim

his usage of internal rhymes syllable usage and the way rhyme in their rhyme patterns and where they place their rhymes on the hi hat and sare is just like rakim.

Ehhh from a technical picking syllable point of view nas is much more a child of kool g rap than rakim.
Not even a debatable question, nas actually had to change his style up from his demo because label heads said he sounded like a kool g rap clone... and that level of 'influence' wasnt marketable back then.
similar to how eminem was an AZ clone
Rakim was a big influence on nas content wise, slick rick was a big influence on nas story telling wise...

Any ways big difference between nas and eminem on a technical level is:
Eminem flips between fast flows and uses his voice to twist words to accent and emphasize his multi-syllable word patterns, his rhyme schemes tend to hit on the down beat
Nas usually sticks to a mid tempo, inserts single syllable internal rhymes within his multi-syllable patterns, often lets his rhymes schemes hit 2 beats behind the expected down beat, and must unusually often DE-emphasizes he multi-syllable rhyme patterns...

Anyways just like how Nas was literally a G Rap clone on a technical level in his demos before he got illmatic popping, Eminem was literally an AZ/Nas clone on a technical level before he blew up... not even debatable these are FACTS, the whole Infinite album is a tribute to Life's a bytch from a technical standpoint...

 

[ROFL_GUY]

Everybody want the key and the secret to rap immortality like I have got
Well, to be truthful the blueprint's simply rage and youthful exuberance
Everybody loves to root for a nuisance
Hit the earth like an asteroid, did nothing but shoot for the moon since
MC's get taken to school with this music
Cause I use it as a vehicle to bust a rhyme
Now I lead a new school full of students
Me? I'm a product of Rakim, Lakim Shabazz, 2Pac N-
-W.A, Cube, hey, Doc, Ren, Yella, Eazy, thank you, they got Slim



^^ no mention of nas

 

[infamousred]

it's not 94-96 anymore, so there's a good amount, of rappers better technically. even when he was at his peak, he still couldn't outdo kool g rap, or percee p. i'm sure others would throw pharoahe monch in there as well. dude got his style from g rap, and however many years later the teacher is still better than the student.

 

[Poitier]

it's not 94-96 anymore, so there's a good amount, of rappers better technically. even when he was at his peak, he still couldn't outdo kool g rap, or percee p. i'm sure others would throw pharoahe monch in there as well. dude got his style from g rap, and however many years later the teacher is still better than the student.

Nas outshined Kool G on both records they did together.

 

[Nomad1]

You nikkas are still obsessed wit this lyrical individual up your ass call it hysterical type shytNas can make a great song that can never age and Ems albums from 01 soud like it came out in 89 . And Nas is by far a better lyricist.

 

[Alexander Wiggin]

First of all, Nas has a much better voice than Eminem, that's maybe a detail but to me you can be a great mc but your voice can make you surpass the other if you really sound nice. That's why I never could fukk with Canibus or thought that nature wasn't as great as he could have been. That said, Nas is technically nicer than 95% of the game, he's not on the all multis above evrything tip but the way he flow is always impecable.
Even with simple phrases he manages to create complex sound like on "legendary"

"understand this minds a true blessing
designer jewesl and diamond (????) modern day Jack Johnson
flying private jets and fully protectin"

and none of the phrases rhyme, he became a master of non rhyming lines

eminem is ill but technically, tech 9, joell ortiz or royce are better comparation that nas, and notice that theses rappers are those who struggle to make great records or albums, they do battle like, braggadaccio records. Eminem once was able to pull great records and albums and who it's not a conicidence that his pbest records didn't include a festival of non sensical multis. He was straight and moderate with flow, which was suffisant enough to shine.

Nas is not a great rapper just for his storytelling or poetic or artistic capacities, his flow is great too, better than jay's even on jay's best period contrary to what's people tend to say. It's just so different than his peers. Emien should have stick to the 2001 2003 flow he was at his peak and that was beautiful

 

[the rhyme king]

Ehhh from a technical picking syllable point of view nas is much more a child of kool g rap than rakim.
Not even a debatable question, nas actually had to change his style up from his demo because label heads said he sounded like a kool g rap clone... and that level of 'influence' wasnt marketable back then.
similar to how eminem was an AZ clone
Rakim was a big influence on nas content wise, slick rick was a big influence on nas story telling wise...

Any ways big difference between nas and eminem on a technical level is:
Eminem flips between fast flows and uses his voice to twist words to accent and emphasize his multi-syllable word patterns, his rhyme schemes tend to hit on the down beat
Nas usually sticks to a mid tempo, inserts single syllable internal rhymes within his multi-syllable patterns, often lets his rhymes schemes hit 2 beats behind the expected down beat, and must unusually often DE-emphasizes he multi-syllable rhyme patterns...

Anyways just like how Nas was literally a G Rap clone on a technical level in his demos before he got illmatic popping, Eminem was literally an AZ/Nas clone on a technical level before he blew up... not even debatable these are FACTS, the whole Infinite album is a tribute to Life's a bytch from a technical standpoint...

wow where to start

well for one eminem sounded nothing like nas or az maybe vocally because nas and az had the nasally sounding voice so i get that comparison in terms of how they sounded on the mic.

but as far as lyrics and how they write eminem was wayyyyyyy more complex he rhymed more syllables per bar and also lyrically in terms of rhyme patterns and syllable usage he was way more complex then both nas and az combine especially on infinite so no comparison in terms of that.

nas sounded nothing like g rap either voice wise g rap had that lisp nas did'nt have that lisp.

and far as they write kool g rap usually spits in the aaaa or abab rhyme pattern and early g rap did not match his syllables in his rhyme patterns his first three albums his syllable count was all over the place. it was not until the album 456 that he started to match his syllable count and his flow became tighter so comparison either.

nas is much more like rakim in terms of rhyme patterns flow syllable usage etc.

 

[the rhyme king]

First of all, Nas has a much better voice than Eminem, that's maybe a detail but to me you can be a great mc but your voice can make you surpass the other if you really sound nice. That's why I never could fukk with Canibus or thought that nature wasn't as great as he could have been. That said, Nas is technically nicer than 95% of the game, he's not on the all multis above evrything tip but the way he flow is always impecable.
Even with simple phrases he manages to create complex sound like on "legendary"

"understand this minds a true blessing
designer jewesl and diamond (????) modern day Jack Johnson
flying private jets and fully protectin"

and none of the phrases rhyme, he became a master of non rhyming lines

i can find over 5 syllables that rhyme



"understand this minds a true blessing
designer jewesl and diamond (????) modern day Jack Johnson
flying private jets and fully protectin"

 

[scuba]

wow where to start

well for one eminem sounded nothing like nas or az maybe vocally because nas and az had the nasally sounding voice so i get that comparison in terms of how they sounded on the mic.

but as far as lyrics and how they write eminem was wayyyyyyy more complex he rhymed more syllables per bar and also lyrically in terms of rhyme patterns and syllable usage he was way more complex then both nas and az combine especially on infinite so no comparison in terms of that.

nas sounded nothing like g rap either voice wise g rap had that lisp nas did'nt have that lisp.

and far as they write kool g rap usually spits in the aaaa or abab rhyme pattern and early g rap did not match his syllables in his rhyme patterns his first three albums his syllable count was all over the place. it was not until the album 456 that he started to match his syllable count and his flow became tighter so comparison either.

nas is much more like rakim in terms of rhyme patterns flow syllable usage etc.

See this is why you cant discuss things on the internet with some people.

You are trying to debate undebatable things here.
1 - your claiming Nas sounded nothing like Kool G Rap on his demo songs
2 - your claiming Kool G Rap didn't bust multi syllable rhymes during the golden age - WOW
3 - your claiming Eminem does much more complex multi syllable rhymes than AZ - WOW

we cant even have a rational discussion cause your divorced from the facts...

 

[blackslash]

why do these distraught idiot nas stans keep bringing up syllables...That was not even the majority of my argument


Look at the OP and then reply..nikkaz talkin bout

"bubububu Nas doesnt want to have maad syllables in every line but he could do it"

nikka did I even say anything warranting that response

Nas cant double time(Fact)
Nas doesnt portray the level of flow variation in his songs in the level that em can(Fact)
Nas does not and cannot flip words at the level that Em can(Fact)

Nas is a peon in the technical aspect compared to Em..its rlly that simple

 

[scuba]

Nas cant double time(Fact)

Confirmed, well nas has done it poorly a few times and well a few times but the point is true

Nas doesnt portray the level of flow variation in his songs in the level that em can(Fact)

Confirmed

Nas does not and cannot flip words at the level that Em can(Fact)

Don't know what you mean by flipping words thats a very generic term

 

[Poitier]

And Em can't come up with "I drink Moet with Medusa give her shotguns in Hell" or any other meaningful rhyme filled with meaning and poetic nuance. Shyt outside of stringing, random, cartooney lines together, Eminem lacks the fortitude to come up with any poetical.