Penny Hardaway is the most talented PG of all-time...
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Kidd>>>>
BlaqkSpliffin
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I hate that take cause that's like saying "if you take Isiah Thomas off the Piston's he goes down a few notches".
Steph, if healthy, would have been great regardless. Would he have the same success with a different organization? Now that's debatable.
This.
Take away his height and how can anyone possibly say he's more talented than a CP3 or a Steph? People were going crazy over him when he came out because he had legit point guard skills and athleticism at nearly Magic's height, NOT because he was showing some unprecedented new level of skill.
Trojan 24
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So if y'all talking about Kidd, where you putting Lowry?
Trust Me
Coli Prophet
That's what I meant. I probably should've worded it better.
ISO
Pass me the rock nikka
He was a scoring point guard. He played point his whole life until Larry Brown moved him and played point in Denver.
He averaged over 7 dimes many seasons and was actually an underrated passer.
Some point after Shaq left they were gassing up Penny moving to the 2 guard ("his more natural position" they said) with Chuck Daly as the coach, pundits talkin bout Penny about to unlock ultra instinct and dominate the league...
He was an aight ass nygga. Injuries.. glorified 1st round L to Miami... then more injuries... Darrel Armstrong was lowkey that nygga... but then Penny had no excuses in '99. Completely "healthy", played all 50 games, averaged 38 mpg, Magic went 33-17, enough for the 3rd seed... but proceeded to get dog walked by a young Iverson and a nobody ass 6th seed Sixer team... ol george lynch larry hughes ass nyggas. with Penny averaging a whoppin 19ppg on 35% as Orlando got bounced 3 games to 1 (best of 5). Mind you, his season average was 16, 5, and 5. The definition of an aight ass nygga.
Penny was my favorite player in the 90s but my disgust after that Sixers series
Us fans been waiting since fall 1996 for "Ultra Instinct". PG, SG, whatever my nygga. The mystic was gone. In retrospect, I guess Grant Hill won that battle of which young star was greater
ajnapoleon
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This over glorified view of Penny comes up every year
He was good but never the best even before the injury
He never scored more than 23 points and 6 dimes
Defense was ok
He was good but never the best even before the injury
He never scored more than 23 points and 6 dimes
Defense was ok
Ya Sinning Mane
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baron Davis don’t get mentioned enough on here.
It was a couple seasons he was just tearing everyone ass off easily
murksiderock
Superstar
Stop saying this stupid ass shyt...
I don't know a single poster that frequently posts who bases their basketball opinions off of stats, yet you stay saying this generic shyt. Everybody uses stats to support their viewpoint at different times: people bring up Mike's scoring bursts and averages....LeBron's runs and averages...Kareem's All-Time scoring record and scoring titles....Magic's assist numbers....Wilt's scoring bursts and averages...etc etc etc...
In discussion about sports, talking about the numbers is bound to happen...
But who is the poster who frames their basketball opinions based on stat lines? I don't know anyone here who does that, everybody speaks of players with nuance and context. The only problem arises when some dudes get tight when their view can't be supported in numbers, so they go on a coordinated effort to undervalue data to overvalue other shyt that isn't as easily measured. But no one here, not frequent posters anyway, frame their perspectives on numbers. Everybody here uses the numbers to add context to their views at some point or other...
As for me, I use video I can find as well as data to learn about guys I never saw. This is no different than you "watching the tape" to learn about guys you didn't see as well, it's all learning about guys you didn't watch. You didn't see Magic, and you're not really of an age where you saw Penny (before the drop off) with clarity. So you talk about "tape" to contextualize your perspective, which is fine, no one begrudges you for that. So you can never really say who would be better than Magic, you never saw him play...
Penny was average to washed when I saw him, so I have no real remembrance of what position he played, though I don't recall ever looking at him in the same light as the points of the early/mid 00s (Billups, Kidd, Parker, Payton, etc). So looking him up as listed helps me envision what position he played...
Whatever position your team has you play year over year defines position. Most players, especially today, have overlapping skillsets and can play multiple positions, most guys have played multiple positions depending on matchup and circumstances. Saying the way a guy plays defines position is stupid if that isn't where his team lined him up at...
murksiderock
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I used to like the Davis/Mashburn/PJ Brown Charlotte Hornets. I was a Davis fan, he did have a good run at one point...
he won two MVPs without greatness all around him though. unless we're about to start praising Draymond and Klay when this board largely thinks they're overrated/can't lead their own teams, need to play off Steph.
idk how the Warriors have been so good with a one dimensional anchor. Pre and even post KD where he'd miss stretches the team would still be strong.
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I was still waiting on this ultra instinct penny at the 2 guard spot
For all you young nyggas who need context, what happened was this nygga stayed hurt most of 97 but he came back and Orlando, as a low seed, took Miami to 5 games (back when it was best of 5) and Penny went off for back 2 back 40 point games to even up the series 2-2, and then had 35 in a losing effort in game 5. So nyggas got gassed and were like omfg let's play him at shooting guard bc he ain't really a pg like that!
He gon score so much points 
Ultra Instinct
But this nygga stayed hurt, missed pretty much all of '98, and then was an aight nygga in '99 as i explained in a prev post. Then got shipped to phoenix. All as a shooting guard.
Remember, even tho he was still relatively "young", he was no longer a super young athletic athlete, so he wasn't quick enough to guard point guards, and he didn't have the motor of a scorer, didn't have that overwhelming talent. So he became a shooting guard and eventually a small forward.