Penny Hardaway is the most talented PG of all-time...

If Penny stayed healthy would he have become the GOAT PG?

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thats because you dont play basketball and are obviously in your 20s
you have trash opinion in every thread but unlike other trash takes you ride super hard for yours

I can go back and quote your shyt about Steph, saying he's mastered shooting and creating a shot off dribble


you are literally describing a shooting guard


then how fukking stupid do you have to be to say "dont pigeonhole the position"

then immediately argue on what defines a position :russ: my nikka you are on the autism spectrum ... you probably pay that 75$ cable bill and think its for your disability insurance. Steph didnt see crazy sucess until he switched off ball, like you said in the quote I posted... if you are defining players but where they are put...instead of how they play... then PJ tucker is now the most dynamic Center of all time. Might as well call MJ the greatest point guard of all time, since he brought the ball up and established the offense. Do you even know why Steph plays off ball besides the benefit of running off screens with Klay? :hhh:you do realize he's offset more as a 2 guard to conserve energy beyond just being more dangerous... similar to AI. Everyone named in this thread besides those 2 ... where one dude is literally labeled a SG... plays a completely different style for a reason. Jkidd, Rose, Jason Williams, Cp3, Nash, Kyrie, Tony Parker, Lillard etc all literally play PG. Half of the Warriors playbook is handoffs, pindowns, double screens, flares etc with steph running off them ............like you said...... as a fukking off ball shooter with "the ball on a string" :mjlol: you are clearly the worst poster on this site, you dont even think Magic has handle :wow: you should have died at birth and took your funky ass mother with you
Don’t quote me with these dumb azz essays

Steph Curry is a PG and you will not diminish him because of his playing style and shooting ability it’s stupid as fukk

And no Magic don’t have a great handle especially when talking about the most talented point guards :mjlol:
 
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They werent beating GSW in 17 or 18. I thought you might've been referring to 2008 when they were the 2 seed in the west
they were up 3-2 before CP3 went out :gucci:

A 2-2 series, where LAC would've had to eventually play arguably the most efficient playoffs offense ever in the Spurs even if they won, was a better opportunity than when Houston just had to win one game in 2 tries to beat broke ass 2018 Cleveland????

The second video goes in what I was saying, CP3 was playing on one leg even in the Spurs series that year, and even missed a few games vs the Rockets. Its something to factor in
 

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Watching a random game here or there doesn't give you enough context


You're out of your depth and are fantastically wrong. Probably because you don't understand or have a basis for what you're trying to argue

It's obvious, you can't evaluate players properly that you didn't watch. And "watch" doesn't mean viewing games from 25 years ago, because "watching" those games doesn't give you the context or the atmosphere of The League at the time...

This doesn't mean you can't have an opinion. All these analysts we watch, these writers for these publications that rank players, none of these guys saw the superstars of the 60s and the 70s, and when we hear people old enough talk about the great players and teams of the 60s and 70s, they scoff at the notion that these subsequent eras produced the best team or player....so everybody can have an opinion based on their own research...

Your opinion just isn't the same as seeing it live while the story was still being written; you can't know how the movie ends and all the cliffnotes and highlights in between and then state it's the best thing you saw, when you didn't see it when it came out 20 years ago...

Everyone else on here seems to understand this simple concept. Swag is the only nikka on here who thinks watching old games or highlights from before your time is an equivalent experience to seeing something in real time. Among the dumb things repeated on here, that's one of the dumbest I've seen anybody go hard for...

To the topic, I'd always heard Penny was a beast, and that his ceiling was high if the injuries didn't rob his athleticism. I've never heard anyone say he was the best at whatever position he played (PG, SG, whatever) even at his best, and his name is remembered fondly because of the potential but no one talks about him to a higher degree than other guys of his run like Mitch, Reggie, Tim Hardaway, etc, to say nothing of the great forwards and centers of that time. Watching old videos doesnt tell you shyt about how he was viewed relative to all the other talent in the NBA at the time...

Grant Hill is the guy from that time who got hurt who gets spoken of as potentially turning into an All-Timer...
 
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they were up 3-2 before CP3 went out :gucci:

A 2-2 series, where LAC would've had to eventually play arguably the most efficient playoffs offense ever in the Spurs even if they won, was a better opportunity than when Houston just had to win one game in 2 tries to beat broke ass 2018 Cleveland????

The second video goes in what I was saying, CP3 was playing on one leg even in the Spurs series that year, and even missed a few games vs the Rockets. Its something to factor in
Iggy was hurt remember?? Otherwise its 4-1 GSW
 

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At the very least you are non-black. Your posting style and views are clearly evidence of that.

From my experience there is a difference between how black folks talk about sports and the way non-black folks talk about sports (as with everything else in life). I can typically spot it quick in threads like this. If you see a deep analysis of skills in a post then that poster is most likely black. If you see a lot of reliance on stats then you're most likely dealing with someone who is non-black.

Its sorta like how music of white origin like classical music has very precise structure when it comes to composition while music of black origin like Jazz is more freestyle and rhythm based. White musicians had to be told how to stay on beat in their music while we intuivately knew how to stay on beat. It is what it is.
The only difference on this board is between people who back up their views with evidence and those who do not.

You do not.
 

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so we gonna forget about Gilbert Arenas?:stopitslime:
Gil is totally forgotten bruh but real cats know. It's nowhere near a stretch to say he would be the leading scorer year in and year out in this era if he wanted to. He was born to put the basketball in the hoop and with the emphasis on the 3 ball and getting to the line no doubt he would eat even more in this era then he did back in the early to mid 2000's.
 
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Watching a random game here or there doesn't give you enough context

Actually one or two games is all I need to judge a player's ability. By then I can see what sort of skill set the player has. Any games after that are just for the sake of entertainment.

Your assumption here is thinking that I actually care about the game by game results of a player's career. I don't. I only rate player's on their skill set and ability. The results are largely products of circumstance which is why I place little value on them.
 
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The only difference on this board is between people who back up their views with evidence and those who do not.

You do not.

Evidence? What the hell do you mean by that? Lemme guess you think posting stats is evidence. While what I'm doing (which is talking hoops the basketball players do) isn't evidence. Right?

You cacs are so predictable. FTR there's a reason my takes are usually in line with those of NBA players. Its cause I look at the game the way they do. Just the other day Shaq and Horry cosigned what I've been saying for years. That the 2000 Blazers were the toughest team the Shaq/Kobe Lakers ever faced even ahead of the more celebrated 2002 Kings. And I don't need to remind you how the overwhelming majority of players who played against Kobe and LeBron say Kobe was better.

When your basketball takes are in line with those of NBA players then you know you are on the right side. I tend to be on the side of the players. You tend to be on the side of white nerds who never balled.
 
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