Phil's Drunk Messin' With The Association Save Again: Knicks 2015-2016 Tryout / Off Season Thread

[Mr. Jack Napier]

Yeah it's pretty tough to tell. I think they'll push for LMA but I buy the Monroe rumors...too consistent and he makes a lot of sense. He's defensively deficient but young and KP projects to be the rim protector in due time...so you'd have your young core at PF and C between them. West fits with Monroe too, so even that rumor couples with it well.

I think a lot of the rest is agents playing up Knicks inquiries. Deandre as a second option makes no sense, Afflalo for 12 million? Who are they even bidding against? Then you have the euro, Wes Matthews, Tobias consideration, Carroll talk, etc...I think the Knicks are just kicking the tires on a lot of different options similar to what they did with the draft where they worked out guys completely out of their range.

Tobias Harris wants the max, and he plays the same exact position as Melo. Interchanging him & Melo at the 3 & 4, I'm not sure that's going to work.

Like I said before, Knicks don't need to give NOBODY the max unless it's Aldridge. Gasol is staying in Memphis (he's only meeting with the Grizz) and Jimmy Butler is only looking for a 1-2 year deal so that he can cash out next summer.

 

[Costanza]

affalo and monroe... melo, taking the role as veteran leader as opposed to superstar... this team is coming together guys.... i think it all rests on our desperate need for grant to come in and make an immediate impact.

 

[TheNig]

Quincy Acy is now an unrestricted free agent.

So?

 

[Rev]

i wouldn't mind taking david west on a short, inexpensive contract mainly because this team is in dire need of veteran leadership and toughness. plus, west is still effective. if he'd be OK with a lesser salary and role, i'm all for it. that worked really well 3 seasons ago when we made the playoffs. every team needs those kinda guys, and our roster is practically empty anyway.

 

[DPresidential]

So...I understand the "slow ball" if we get certain veterans...

But I though it was a general consensus that the lack of veterans & mentorship is what was the biggest contributor to the Knicks woes?

I mean, it's one or the other. David West may be slow but the Garnett's of the league who don't take shyt & who represent the glue of the locker room is sorely needed on this team.

At PG

At PG, I'm willing to go forward w/ Galloway & Grant at this point. It sucks that we don't have any serious floor generals but, maybe someone can inform if I'm wrong, but there should be FA PG next year we can target.

Jerian Grant/ Langston "Hughes" Galloway

At SG

At SG, at this point, Aaron Afflalo for 12 Mill... I'm just not confident in that right now. With the PG situation & Melo needing a consistent & efficient shooter, I'm with the school of thought that believes we should really have Phil Jackson parachute from a Blimp, that reads "The World Is Yours" & hand Danny Green a NY Knicks brochure. Also, Alex Shved...it'll eat into our Cap but...we need a bench. I liked the small sample he gave to the squad.

Danny Green/ Alex Shved

At SF

At SF, Melo. We can decide later what we should do to improve our bench from free agency. I do realize that relying on Cleanthony Early(disappointing season) & Thanasis Antetokounmpo as our bench is weak & scary. If after all FA moves, we can pick up a reliable veteran SF who can give 20 MPG & help hone our young guys...that would be a plus.

Carmelo Anthony / [Veteran Minimun SF who can give 20 MPG] /Cleanthony Early / Thansis Antetokounmpo

AT PF

At PF, it looks like David West is almost a certainty. At the right salary, he may be able to provide that toughness & limited efficiency that makes this season a little more bearable. Bringing mentor-ship, grit, locker room glue & veteran skillset to the Knicks, he will be an asset. Although he will not be contributing to any fast pace I'd still consider him a plus on this team. Kristap Porzingis is here. At this point, we need to hope that bust or star, the Knicks do everything they can to find out his true potential. Why isn't this hip injury being talked about? I'm hoping that means it isn't serious, especially considering how, if their is any Knick blood in the water, the Media circles and attacks like sharks.

David West / Kristap Porzingis

AT Center

At Center, Melo needs a second option. Someone who night in & night out, can be relied upon to make buckets going into the 4th quarter. Even if that person is one dimensional...he needs to be able to score. With that being said, Greg Monroe doesn't seem like a bad option. Especially considering the top free agents of this class aren't even sniffing our way...as a matter of fact, I'm not even going to mention their names... Monroe is 25 & can possibly be a little better than what he was in Detroit. I'm willing to take him on & give Melo a little bit relief going into this next year. You know, I really can't believe I'm saying this but I'd wish Chandler would come back... WAIT...Nah. But what I'm getting at is, having a rim protector would be ideal, even if that were his limitation. We need someone who, in a close game, Monroe good switch to the 4 & we could have a center put in who makes the opposition offense hesitate to come into the paint. With that being said, the strides
Al-Farouq Aminu has been making in Dallas shows promise, especially when taking into consideration his playoff performance. It's times like when you cringe at the thought that for a player - Melo - who was going to to come to NY in the offseason anyway, we traded & gutted an entire team, including Mozgov, to get him. If salary cap allows, Cole Aldrich should be brought back also.

Greg Monroe / Al-Farouq Aminu / Cole Aldrich

I'm too afraid to organize that roster & post what it actually looks like. From this view it looks someone efficient.

By the way,

 

[nomoreneveragain]

Don't stress over this, just let it play it out.

 

[JerseyFinest!]

There are way too many players connected to the knicks for even half these rumors to be true. Plus after this draft I am pretty certain us fans have no idea what phil is planning to do. Not one trade, or draft pick leaked before it happened plus like always agents use the knicks to drum up interest from other teams.

So I am just going to wait and see what moves phil makes.

Exactly! That's why I've been saying it's no such thing as a Knicks "insider". It makes good talking points, but it's all speculation and assumptions.

By next week we should have a good feel for how things are going to play out in free agency

 

[Rev]

we should try to grab the knicks killer, alan anderson, for cheap too. he'd come here in a heartbeat, and is another tough dude.

 

[Malta]

I don't think you have to start Kristaps to get him reps, in fact I'd prefer him leading a second unit where he would be more of a focal point and not be forced to take the backseat to Melo and whomever we bring in. West isn't a long term signing for sure, but on a two year deal he could start for a season and provide the locker room with some leadership (plus a mentor for KP to teach him about toughness in the post) and then move him to the bench when KP is good and ready. West is an intangibles type of addition, you don't spend the cap room on him right away but if you've locked in a second option (and potentially a third as well but conservatively speaking) and want a veteran presence...he makes some sense.

I'd also be looking at a small offer to Biyombo, dude is young and his stats defending at the rim are nice. Could be a good back-up for 15-20 a night without costing us too much (wouldn't go past 3.5 for him).

The international players that develop are forged in the fire early, getting Kristaps as many minutes as possible and allowing him to play through his mistakes and is really the only way he will develop.

 

[#SOG_soldier]

aminu is a SF not a center

 

[Hammer]

So...I understand the "slow ball" if we get certain veterans...

But I though it was a general consensus that the lack of veterans & mentorship is what was the biggest contributor to the Knicks woes?

I mean, it's one or the other. David West may be slow but the Garnett's of the league who don't take shyt & who represent the glue of the locker room is sorely needed on this team.

At PG

At PG, I'm willing to go forward w/ Galloway & Grant at this point. It sucks that we don't have any serious floor generals but, maybe someone can inform if I'm wrong, but there should be FA PG next year we can target.

Jerian Grant/ Langston "Hughes" Galloway

At SG

At SG, at this point, Aaron Afflalo for 12 Mill... I'm just not confident in that right now. With the PG situation & Melo needing a consistent & efficient shooter, I'm with the school of thought that believes we should really have Phil Jackson parachute from a Blimp, that reads "The World Is Yours" & hand Danny Green a NY Knicks brochure. Also, Alex Shved...it'll eat into our Cap but...we need a bench. I liked the small sample he gave to the squad.

Danny Green/ Alex Shved

At SF

At SF, Melo. We can decide later what we should do to improve our bench from free agency. I do realize that relying on Cleanthony Early(disappointing season) & Thanasis Antetokounmpo as our bench is weak & scary. If after all FA moves, we can pick up a reliable veteran SF who can give 20 MPG & help hone our young guys...that would be a plus.

Carmelo Anthony / [Veteran Minimun SF who can give 20 MPG] /Cleanthony Early / Thansis Antetokounmpo

AT PF

At PF, it looks like David West is almost a certainty. At the right salary, he may be able to provide that toughness & limited efficiency that makes this season a little more bearable. Bringing mentor-ship, grit, locker room glue & veteran skillset to the Knicks, he will be an asset. Although he will not be contributing to any fast pace I'd still consider him a plus on this team. Kristap Porzingis is here. At this point, we need to hope that bust or star, the Knicks do everything they can to find out his true potential. Why isn't this hip injury being talked about? I'm hoping that means it isn't serious, especially considering how, if their is any Knick blood in the water, the Media circles and attacks like sharks.

David West / Kristap Porzingis

AT Center

At Center, Melo needs a second option. Someone who night in & night out, can be relied upon to make buckets going into the 4th quarter. Even if that person is one dimensional...he needs to be able to score. With that being said, Greg Monroe doesn't seem like a bad option. Especially considering the top free agents of this class aren't even sniffing our way...as a matter of fact, I'm not even going to mention their names... Monroe is 25 & can possibly be a little better than what he was in Detroit. I'm willing to take him on & give Melo a little bit relief going into this next year. You know, I really can't believe I'm saying this but I'd wish Chandler would come back... WAIT...Nah. But what I'm getting at is, having a rim protector would be ideal, even if that were his limitation. We need someone who, in a close game, Monroe good switch to the 4 & we could have a center put in who makes the opposition offense hesitate to come into the paint. With that being said, the strides
Al-Farouq Aminu has been making in Dallas shows promise, especially when taking into consideration his playoff performance. It's times like when you cringe at the thought that for a player - Melo - who was going to to come to NY in the offseason anyway, we traded & gutted an entire team, including Mozgov, to get him. If salary cap allows, Cole Aldrich should be brought back also.

Greg Monroe / Al-Farouq Aminu / Cole Aldrich

I'm too afraid to organize that roster & post what it actually looks like. From this view it looks someone efficient.

By the way,

eh, that team would still suck dikk though and be a 35 win team max

grant/green/melo/west/monroe ain't winning shyt

monroe isn't even a center, if they put him at center we will have the worst d in the league

 

[Typical Knicks Fan]

So?

So, he's not coming back.

 

[TheNig]

So, he's not coming back.

How does that make you feel?

 

[K-ZOE]

My realistic offseason targets in no order:

Monroe

B-Smack

Aminu


Dump Calderon somehow, I'm not mad at adding Monta either.

 

[I.V.]

My realistic offseason targets in no order:

Monroe

B-Smack

Aminu


Dump Calderon somehow, I'm not mad at adding Monta either.

People forget that Thanasis is going to be a frenetic, tough, disruptive wing defender (assuming we sign him) -- that's a major advantage when considering these rosters and flexibility.

I'd happily sign Biyombo and Aminu to reasonable deals to get the defensive base, even if they're not our dream/longterm players. Brandan Wright is a weapon in that regard, too.

Danny Green would be great, though I don't think we get him. (LONG ISLAND STAND UP).

From there... I don't know that I'd want to max Monroe out... but I'd certainly consider him. Especially if it's going to be the shorter deal, like he's talking about.