and the credit goes to Kobe for that. PJ wrote a whole book shytting on the guy and Kobe STILL have the green light for Phil to come back. Bron is the most powerful athlete in sports if he never had a great coach that’s his fault. He could’ve told Pat Riley “announce yourself as the new coach or I don’t sign” he never pushed the issue. It only took one season for Kobe to realize the coaching mattered. Bron at 35 never made getting an elite coach a priority that’s his fault buddy.
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and the credit goes to Kobe for that. PJ wrote a whole book shytting on the guy and Kobe STILL have the green light for Phil to come back. Bron is the most powerful athlete in sports if he never had a great coach that’s his fault. He could’ve told Pat Riley “announce yourself as the new coach or I don’t sign” he never pushed the issue. It only took one season for Kobe to realize the coaching mattered. Bron at 35 never made getting an elite coach a priority that’s his fault buddy.
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You're still overlooking the depth breh.
Kobe lost to the Pistons and Celtics as well because they had the superior depth.
You're also overlooking how that Spurs system were executing the level of ball movement that proved fatal to the Heat's style of defense. They were playing some of the best playoff ball in years.
Plenty of people who matter have Magic over Kobe.
Kobe in Miami may not even see the Finals because of how LeBron was used there. Unless Kobe starts seeing minutes playing PF & C to cover for the often-injured Bosh. If he does, I'd give him 3-1.
Kobe definitely loses at least 3 times in Cleveland and you know this which is why you're pivoting to "get more out of Love" and "Minnesota numbers". Oddly enough y'all love bringing up Kyrie to make sure Bron doesn't get all the credit then forget Love had to take a backseat behind him also. Name the big man who averaged 20 & 10 as a third option and got a ring. I'll wait.
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Harden took GS to 7 with an injured CP3 and role players
And lost. Point proven. You say this yet I'm sure count 2015 as something Bron should've won.Harden took GS to 7 with an injured CP3 and role players
The media crafts the narratives that most fans run with. I hear more fans talk about 6-0, never scared, clutch, and teaming up than I ever hear anything negative about MJ or Kobe. I hear way more people rock with the stuff you are putting forth. I am not trying to argue but I don't recall every year for Kobe being ring or bust or substantial ridicule or anything close to what Bron gets every non-ring year losing to the Mavs or OKC the next year or especially that shyt show that was his last real year and there is nothing average about the best front line in the league in a time when bigs were still allowed to play breh. But hey you see it different. It happens
. I appreciate the discussion.kobe lost to pistons cuz he and Shaq fumbled the bag
Yeah we lost to Celtics cuz of depth, and in 2010 Kobe felt like Celtics still were better and we beat them anyway
that’s the thing y’all keep saying Bron lost in the finals to better teams. Well Kobe beat a better team in the Finals in 2010 and had to beat legit teams the entire run. He wasn’t chillin until the WCFs we had 6 and 7 game series in 1st and 2nd roundThe spurs were on point that year but they were a great team in 2008 as well. They were defending champs and had a great defense and Kobe demolished them. Pau had 13ppg on 44% that series, Lamar Odom has 13ppg on 40% shooting and Kobe has 29ppg on 53% to beat the defending champs 4-1. If Kobe has wade and Bosh he don’t lose to no Spurs in 2014. He would’ve shytted on young ass Kawhi.
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The point is if harden can take GS to a game 7 with that supporting cast then far better players such as Jordan couldve done it. LeBron's failure to win is only a stain on HIS legacy and has got nothing to do with other GOATS prospects of winning in similar circumstances.
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The difference is that Spurs team was 08 Celtics level good.kobe lost to pistons cuz he and Shaq fumbled the bag
Yeah we lost to Celtics cuz of depth, and in 2010 Kobe felt like Celtics still were better and we beat them anyway
The spurs were on point that year but they were a great team in 2008 as well. They were defending champs and had a great defense and Kobe demolished them. Pau had 13ppg on 44% that series, Lamar Odom has 13ppg on 40% shooting and Kobe has 29ppg on 53% to beat the defending champs 4-1. If Kobe has wade and Bosh he don’t lose to no Spurs in 2014. He would’ve shytted on young ass Kawhi.
You do realize Bron was averaging 28 on 57% against that Spurs team as well.
The Spurs shredded that Heat defense and were relying on the likes of Rashard Lewis and Norris Cole off the bench. Game 5 they brought in Beasley. C'mon breh. People were hyping that Spurs team back in 2014 post finals.
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A lot of dumb shyt being posted by both sides again leading nowhere, damn yall brehs love this shyt
No laker legend , no past or present players have gone on record saying magic over Kobe they all say he’s the greatest laker and on par with MJ.
Also I’m not pivoting to anything. Kobe upgraded Pau on a major level so there’s no reason for me to doubt he would’ve done the same to Kevin Love. And even if he lost to the Dubs 3 times it wouldn’t be because of a culture he created. KD to the dubs was a more efficient version of the Heatles moved. Main goal was to handicap a respective conference. What happened to Bron in 2017/2018 was unfortunate but he played himself. Also if he had a better coach perhaps they could’ve had a better game plan vs the Dubs
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They will do anything to downplay his dominance.
60 win teams like the '11 Bulls and '15 Hawks are called frauds even though they dominated Western Conference teams during the regular season and would have been in the Finals if it weren't for LeBron.
They'll call the Celtics old when they were all in their early to mid 30's and making All-Star teams and Rondo was in his prime.
The injuries to his supporting cast and the Herculean efforts he had to put up against historic Indiana and Boston defenses in '12 and '13 are conveniently forgotten.
They'll downplay 55-60 win Toronto teams because they were to LeBron what the Knicks were to M.J. in the 90's.
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people (the media and stans) were hyping up 2014 spurs post finals to save face for Bron. Bosh shot 54% that series yet only got 10 shots a game
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Meh, what made the 2010 Celtics this much better team than the Lakers?kobe lost to pistons cuz he and Shaq fumbled the bag
Yeah we lost to Celtics cuz of depth, and in 2010 Kobe felt like Celtics still were better and we beat them anyway
The spurs were on point that year but they were a great team in 2008 as well. They were defending champs and had a great defense and Kobe demolished them. Pau had 13ppg on 44% that series, Lamar Odom has 13ppg on 40% shooting and Kobe has 29ppg on 53% to beat the defending champs 4-1. If Kobe has wade and Bosh he don’t lose to no Spurs in 2014. He would’ve shytted on young ass Kawhi.
This is dishonest posting. There was no large gap between either team in 2010. It's nothing like the gap between the Warriors and Cavaliers especially in Finals losses like 2015 where Kyrie and Kevin Love missed the Finals or when GS added Kevin Durant to their team.
And what's up with that namedropping shyt? Oh, if he had Wade and Bosh he doesn't lose to the Spurs in 2014. I really question if y'all really watch these games. D-Wade's knees were completely cooked by the Finals and the Heat's defense had deterioriated due to age. It was the main reason they lost. Danny Green, Patty Mills, Kawhi, Ginobili none of those guys could miss. The Spurs shot 47% from 3 for the series.