Pusha T: "Big Daddy Kane is better than Rakim"

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Kane was that nikka. He killed his own momentum with all that sex symbol shyt and took it way too far. BUt at his apex I always preferred Kane to Rakim. Kane to me was the predecessor of Jay similar to the way Rakim is the predecessor to Nas. Kane could appeal to a much wider base getting underground and mainstream love.

Kane appealing to a wider audience is the reason why he fell off so hard in the 1st place. Rakim was still selling the same if not more records without making I get the Job done type records so Kane probably felt he had to take it a step further and make songs with Patti Labelle and Barry White.

You are acting like Kane was on LL's level of popularity when in reality he was on the same level as Ra and KRS and above G Rap. Slick Rick was just about to reach that LL/Run DMC level when he got caught up in that horseshyt.

Rakim focoused on the music and in turn gave us a gang of Hip Hop classics songs and multiple Hip Hop classics. Kane was on his way to doing the same until the 90s came. Even with the shyt songs on Taste of Chocolate Kane came with it on the dope songs especially...

 
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fascinations with you?:hmm: YOURE THE ONE FOLLOWING ME FROM THREAD-TO-THREAD. its not the other way around wierdo.:laugh:

of course i know LL isnt from the same school of thought as most of the others. no chit sherlock. but he was still elite during that time, which is why hes on everybody else's lists in here, but you take exception to mine? i forgot, you didnt even read the other lists, which is why you came in here out-the-loop and listing melle mel & grandmaster caz. now youre trying desperately to save face over a random internet debate. step ur life up b.

and i could care less about the rest of this poo-poo. jarule & ludacris had bigger careers than rakim. dont get mad at the messenger for pointing out the obvious. i didnt say that jarule, ludacris or even big daddy kane was a better artist or emcee than rakim. so fallback winslow.

the overall bottom line is that big daddy kane was a bigger star than rakim, which is something that youre conveniently dancing around. and i dont even care about this argument. i was just responding to someone who said rakim had a better career. and thats clearly false, if you compare career achievements and acknowledge the fact that kane was bigger on the career tip.

btw:
dino >>>> krs-one
h-town >>> BDP
:pacspit::pacspit:


You goofie,...

I would never lower the content and direction of my life to ever follow you around.
You just come into threads to talk bullshyt.
Mixed with wild baseless non fact supported claims.
Similar to, the one at the start of your post.
Saying I follow you around,..
When any idiot that has read this thread, in its entirety.
Can easily see I had made three content driven post.
Clearly, before you showed your gooflame rnb driven wack ass perspective.

nikka, I would never follow you around ever.
You suffer from that homo **** syndrome.
Where your deflection and delussion is obvious and distinctly apparent.

Also,...
You are so stoopid because you are basing none of the other factors of their draws.
On the actual content of the times.
Nor the factors and differences of each artist.
You are basing them on your rnb sales driven dribble, like usual.
nikka ja rule and luda would never had relevancy.
To even be released,..
If not for rakim, stoopid.
As he was universals first flagship rapper.
The same universal, that had to absorb defjam.

also,...in rakim's case,....
He was on several different labels.
One of which was fukkin MCA.
Who needed him to give that sellout based model label.
Some edge, to keep the hounds at bay.
From that rnb based sellout label,..that housed those goofies bell biv devoe.
You happen to champion so much.
While Kane was on cold chillin'.
Who had no power, and when he was absorbed by WB.
He continued his downward spiral.
I notice you never mentioned that.
Next, you never posted that if Kane was so much larger.
Then why did he really never outdraw rakim.
Not to mention, rakim was heavier in the streets than Kane, as a grassroots draw as well.
Rakim 's paid in full was the next original dope boi soundtrack, After criminal minded nationally.
As that album was the very next rap album to permeate.
Past just rakim's large culturally accepted draw and medium.
Kane, never had legs in that regard as a draw.
nor, was Kane regarded as the distinctly consensus's best lyrically.
Numbers, were not an indicator of draw then.

Plus, when Kane was offered Quincy Jones as a supplement.
Rakim was smashing shyt as the highlight with Jody Whatley.
So kill all that bullshyt you talembout.
Kane was not a bigger star and never had a better career than rakim.
Two years of potent activity is not greater than twenty six years of potent activity.
Call me when Kane making a two song album just short of a classic.
In this production era like rakim.
Call me when Kane can actually make a dope girl song, that are all classics.
Not some non-rhyming trash, where he shows not one emcee skill.


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I love the fact that Pusha can have real hip hop conversations. Most "rappers" dont go past Big and Pac. You tell them about Chuck D, Young LL Cool J, KRS, Kane and they just give you the :ohhh:

pusha t is just following what his marketing and pr firm tells him to do.
That toy ass nikka, does not know a damn thing when it comes to hip hop.
What is funny is,...
He is on the east coast from Virginia.
So, he has no excuse at all.


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NY all day..Da Stead & BK..
Rakim>>>> Kane...imo..Kane is that nikka tho...but he played himself towards the end of his career...seriously...this argument is gonna go on forever as far as them 2...and who is peoples favorite is a toss up...they both had huge impacts on the genre...but as far as actual skills go...I think Ra got him beat...also..musically as well imo...
 

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Rakim>>>> Kane...imo..Kane is that nikka tho...but he played himself towards the end of his career...seriously...this argument is gonna go on forever as far as them 2...and who is peoples favorite is a toss up...they both had huge impacts on the genre...but as far as actual skills go...I think Ra got him beat...also..musically as well imo...


kane did not play himself he came back hard with

how u get a record deal joint and everything on that album shyt is a classic to me.
 

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Kane was that nikka. He killed his own momentum with all that sex symbol shyt and took it way too far. BUt at his apex I always preferred Kane to Rakim. Kane to me was the predecessor of Jay similar to the way Rakim is the predecessor to Nas. Kane could appeal to a much wider base getting underground and mainstream love.


on the same token both Rakim and Nas are/were more versatile than Kane and Jay, they could simply do things lyrically and touch on topics the other could not.
 

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always been a rakim fan
 

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Listen I love both of them, just MAYBE Kane didnt want to be gassed into a battle. Everyone doesnt like batteries put in their backs,Kane has a mind of his own. Ra's insecurity almost made this battle happen.

:shaq2: Kane went at Ra on Set It Off with the mic solist line so it seems to me Ra showed mercy to Kane by taking his lines off Let The Rhythm Hit Em.
 

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on the same token both Rakim and Nas are/were more versatile than Kane and Jay, they could simply do things lyrically and touch on topics the other could not.

nah. jay & kane could rock any type of beat. rakim & nas cannot.

versatility & subject matter are 2 different things.

You goofie,...

I would never lower the content and direction of my life to ever follow you around.
You just come into threads to talk bullshyt.
Mixed with wild baseless non fact supported claims.
Similar to, the one at the start of your post.
Saying I follow you around,..
When any idiot that has read this thread, in its entirety.
Can easily see I had made three content driven post.
Clearly, before you showed your gooflame rnb driven wack ass perspective.

nikka, I would never follow you around ever.
You suffer from that homo **** syndrome.
Where your deflection and delussion is obvious and distinctly apparent.

Also,...
You are so stoopid because you are basing none of the other factors of their draws.
On the actual content of the times.
Nor the factors and differences of each artist.
You are basing them on your rnb sales driven dribble, like usual.
nikka ja rule and luda would never had relevancy.
To even be released,..
If not for rakim, stoopid.
As he was universals first flagship rapper.
The same universal, that had to absorb defjam.

also,...in rakim's case,....
He was on several different labels.
One of which was fukkin MCA.
Who needed him to give that sellout based model label.
Some edge, to keep the hounds at bay.
From that rnb based sellout label,..that housed those goofies bell biv devoe.
You happen to champion so much.
While Kane was on cold chillin'.
Who had no power, and when he was absorbed by WB.
He continued his downward spiral.
I notice you never mentioned that.
Next, you never posted that if Kane was so much larger.
Then why did he really never outdraw rakim.
Not to mention, rakim was heavier in the streets than Kane, as a grassroots draw as well.
Rakim 's paid in full was the next original dope boi soundtrack, After criminal minded nationally.
As that album was the very next rap album to permeate.
Past just rakim's large culturally accepted draw and medium.
Kane, never had legs in that regard as a draw.
nor, was Kane regarded as the distinctly consensus's best lyrically.
Numbers, were not an indicator of draw then.

Plus, when Kane was offered Quincy Jones as a supplement.
Rakim was smashing shyt as the highlight with Jody Whatley.
So kill all that bullshyt you talembout.
Kane was not a bigger star and never had a better career than rakim.
Two years of potent activity is not greater than twenty six years of potent activity.
Call me when Kane making a two song album just short of a classic.
In this production era like rakim.
Call me when Kane can actually make a dope girl song, that are all classics.
Not some non-rhyming trash, where he shows not one emcee skill.

art barr

lol @ rakim having 26 years of potent activity. you sound like a fanboy. its more like 6 years and a brief comeback.

when you run into a thread, making bold statements when you clearly dont know whats going on, just off the strength of your little grudge with the don, then yes youre following me around. you can deny it all you want, but actions speak louder than words winslow.

yes, jarule & ludacris had bigger careers than rakim. bigger stars, bigger names. thats all it is to it. are they more legendary? hecks no. 2 different animals. with that said, kane is a bigger star. mad people that dont even listen to rap, know about kane but never heard of rakim.

p.s. i like how youre gassing up that jody whatley song, known darn well that if a rapper you didnt like was on that song, you would be calling him all types of sellouts.
 

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nah. jay & kane could rock any type of beat. rakim & nas cannot.

versatility & subject matter are 2 different things.

:what: U need to go back and listen to more Rakim. Because of his impecable flow, Ra could rap over any tempo from 75 bpms to 125. Dude had the slow flow and he murdered 120+ bpms like Lyrics of Fury and Let The Rhythm Hit Em. Because he didn't let the beat dictate his flow he always sounded effortless over any beat. Most people don't even realize that beat from Let The Rhythm Hit Em is 124 bpms cause Rakim is flowing within the beat. He had the best use of syncopation of any EMCEE.
 

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yes, jarule & ludacris had bigger careers than rakim. bigger stars, bigger names. thats all it is to it. are they more legendary? hecks no. 2 different animals. with that said, kane is a bigger star. mad people that dont even listen to rap, know about kane but never heard of rakim.

p.s. i like how youre gassing up that jody whatley song, known darn well that if a rapper you didnt like was on that song, you would be calling him all types of sellouts.

Ja Rule & Luda had more succesful careers in the music industry. While Rakim's career takes a HUGE dump on Ja Rules and is much better than Luda when it comes to HIP HOP.

Hip Hop >(times Infinity) Music Industry
 
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