"Race" = Bullshyt, According to Science

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If we were all the same race we would still find reasons to fight with groups of other people:francis:
 

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We used to be taught the case Plessy v. Ferguson back in grade school as evidence that racial categorization was arbitrary, unscientific, nonsensical and evil.

Even though Homer Plessy was almost 90 percent white European, his 10 percent African heritage legally consigned him to "colored" or "Negro" status in 19th Century Louisiana and the United States Supreme Court.

Plessy versus Ferguson

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The case originated in 1892 as a challenge to Louisiana’s Separate Car Act (1890). The law required that all railroads operating in the state provide “equal but separate accommodations” for white and African American passengers and prohibited passengers from entering accommodations other than those to which they had been assigned on the basis of their race. In 1891 a group of Creole professionals in New Orleans formed the Citizens’ Committee to Test the Constitutionality of the Separate Car Law. They hired Albion Tourgée, a Reconstruction-era judge and social reformer, as their legal counsel. As plaintiff in the test case the committee chose a person of mixed race in order to support its contention that the law could not be consistently applied, because it failed to define the white and “coloured” races. Homer Plessy, who was seven-eighths white and one-eighth African American, purchased a rail ticket for travel within Louisiana and took a seat in a car reserved for white passengers. (The state Supreme Court had ruled earlier that the law could not be applied to interstate travel.) After refusing to move to a car for African Americans, he was arrested and charged with violating the Separate Car Act. At Plessy’s trial in U.S. District Court, Judge John H. Ferguson dismissed his contention that the act was unconstitutional. After the state Supreme Court affirmed the district court’s ruling, the U.S. Supreme Court granted certiorari, and oral arguments were heard on April 13, 1896. The court rendered its decision one month later, on May 18.

Plessy v. Ferguson | Summary, Facts, & Significance
 

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How does this stop the disenfranchisement of black people? I'm pretty sure everybody knows race is bullshyt, yet black people suffer the most from this bullshyt

Do you or them have an answer for that?
Race being a social construct doesn't mean it doesn't have social implications. The fact that race is a social construct doesn't change anything about the negative impact of racism or the need to address racism in America, it just further proves how idiotic the arguments of the racists are. A social construct that has existed for 500+ years is still a real thing socially and can still be the basis of affirmative action, reparations, etc., it's just not a real thing biologically.




Article focuses on phenotype, but aren't there documented biological "variations" and differences between different racial groups?
Other life forms are categorized

Technically, wouldn't racial groups fall under subspecies category? Location, environment, and evolution seem to be what splintered other species into subspecies.
I would argue that race is most similar to subspecies. Yes we're all the same species, but perhaps there's enough difference that race=subspecies.

I believe one of the biggest travesty is the neglect on the emphasis on the slight, but present internal and external differences. As this is applied to other animal genus.
Are all humans 100% genetically the same?
Subspecies are real and based on measurable genetic and phenotypic differences between populations.

Race is not real because there's no actual genetic differences that align best with race. If you want a scientific article on the subject, this is the best one I've seen. Genetically if we were to divide humans into genetic ancestry, then the most mathematically supported model would be 21 separate groups (though the differences are so vague there isn't that much difference in the modeling if you use as few as 12 groups or as many as 40) and over 97% of humans are mixed between two or more of those 21 groups. Plus none of the 21 groups would be different enough from each other to rise to the level of subspecies.

Human ancestry correlates with language and reveals that race is not an objective genomic classifier | Scientific Reports

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Ancestry analysis of the global data set. The 282 samples are labeled alternating in the left and right margins. The 21 ancestral components are Kalash (black), Southern Asian (dark goldenrod), South Indian (slate blue), Central African (magenta), Southern African (dark orchid), West-Central African (brown), Western African (tomato), Eastern African (orange), Omotic (yellow), Northern African (purple), Northern European (blue), Southern European (dark olive green), Western Asian (white), Arabian (light gray), Oceanian (salmon), Japanese (red), Southeastern Asian (coral), Northern Asian (aquamarine), Sino-Tibetan (green), Circumpolar (pink), and Amerindian (gray).

Each of the colors represents a different genetic lineage. Notice how each of the different geographic areas are made up of people of completely different genetic backgrounds, and even individual groups are made up of different colors themselves meaning they have mixed genetic background, plus some of the genetic backgrounds are shared across different continents. There's no way to look at that chart and decide that 4-5 races is the most sensible way to divide people.





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That's another way of showing the data. Notice that there is less genetic difference between the east african and west asian lineages than there is between east african and south african. Notice that native americans are closer genetically to many asian groups than some of those asian groups are to each other. Notice that southern european and northern african lineages are closer to each other than southern europeans are to northern europeans. Notice that the south indian and south asian (north indian) lineages are so different from each other that they're in two entire different sections.

Don't forget that those genetic groupings don't even represent actual human populations today either. For example, the average person in Iran today is some mix of the south asian, west asian, north asian, and arabian ancestries, with every person in Iran being a different mix. Whereas someone from Libya is a different mix of arabian, west asian, north african, southern european, east african, and other ancestries.

There's no way to look at that data and decide that our modern racial categories make biological/genetic sense.
 

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Race being a social construct doesn't mean it doesn't have social implications. The fact that race is a social construct doesn't change anything about the negative impact of racism or the need to address racism in America, it just further proves how idiotic the arguments of the racists are. A social construct that has existed for 500+ years is still a real thing socially and can still be the basis of affirmative action, reparations, etc., it's just not a real thing biologically.








Subspecies are real and based on measurable genetic and phenotypic differences between populations.

Race is not real because there's no actual genetic differences that align best with race. If you want a scientific article on the subject, this is the best one I've seen. Genetically if we were to divide humans into genetic ancestry, then the most mathematically supported model would be 21 separate groups (though the differences are so vague there isn't that much difference in the modeling if you use as few as 12 groups or as many as 40) and over 97% of humans are mixed between two or more of those 21 groups. Plus none of the 21 groups would be different enough from each other to rise to the level of subspecies.

Human ancestry correlates with language and reveals that race is not an objective genomic classifier | Scientific Reports

41598_2017_1837_Fig1_HTML.jpg



Each of the colors represents a different genetic lineage. Notice how each of the different geographic areas are made up of people of completely different genetic backgrounds, and even individual groups are made up of different colors themselves meaning they have mixed genetic background, plus some of the genetic backgrounds are shared across different continents. There's no way to look at that chart and decide that 4-5 races is the most sensible way to divide people.





41598_2017_1837_Fig2_HTML.jpg


That's another way of showing the data. Notice that there is less genetic difference between the east african and west asian lineages than there is between east african and south african. Notice that native americans are closer genetically to many asian groups than some of those asian groups are to each other. Notice that southern european and northern african lineages are closer to each other than southern europeans are to northern europeans. Notice that the south indian and south asian (north indian) lineages are so different from each other that they're in two entire different sections.

Don't forget that those genetic groupings don't even represent actual human populations today either. For example, the average person in Iran today is some mix of the south asian, west asian, north asian, and arabian ancestries, with every person in Iran being a different mix. Whereas someone from Libya is a different mix of arabian, west asian, north african, southern european, east african, and other ancestries.

There's no way to look at that data and decide that our modern racial categories make biological/genetic sense.
Excellent post.
 

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Race does not provide an accurate representation of human biological variation. It was never accurate in the past, and it remains inaccurate when referencing contemporary human populations. Humans are not divided biologically into distinct continental types or racial genetic clusters. Instead, the Western concept of race must be understood as a classification system that emerged from, and in support of, European colonialism, oppression, and discrimination. It thus does not have its roots in biological reality, but in policies of discrimination. Because of that, over the last five centuries, race has become a social reality that structures societies and how we experience the world. In this regard, race is real, as is racism, and both have real biological consequences.

Humans share the vast majority (99.9%) of our DNA in common. Individuals nevertheless exhibit substantial genetic and phenotypic variability. Genome/environment interactions, local and regional biological changes through time, and genetic exchange among populations have produced the biological diversity we see in humans today. Notably, variants are not distributed across our species in a manner that maps clearly onto socially-recognized racial groups. This is true even for aspects of human variation that we frequently emphasize in discussions of race, such as facial features, skin color and hair type. No group of people is, or ever has been, biologically homogeneous or “pure.” Furthermore, human populations are not — and never have been — biologically discrete, truly isolated, or fixed.

While race does not accurately represent the patterns of human biological diversity, an abundance of scientific research demonstrates that racism, prejudice against someone because of their race and a belief in the inherent superiority and inferiority of different racial groups, affects our biology, health, and well-being. This means that race, while not a scientifically accurate biological concept, can have important biological consequences because of the effects of racism. The belief in races as a natural aspect of human biology and the institutional and structural inequities (racism) that have emerged in tandem with such beliefs in European colonial contexts are among the most damaging elements in human societies.
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People have and will always classify themselves, just until Eurocentrism it wasn't based on the color of your skin. For example barbarian just mean anyone who wasn't a native roman born person within the confines of their empire, not a savage.
 

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Alvin said:

Were that truly the case, there'd be no one arguing against it. They can't take all the blame, however.....

An Open Letter to Our Community in Response to Police Brutality Against African-Americans and a Call to Antiracist Action
AAPA also recognizes that the discipline of biological (physical) anthropology played a central role in establishing these racist and discriminatory systems. Some of the founding and prominent leaders of physical anthropology used their research to justify policies that led to the inequity, oppression, and violence that continues to occur against Black, Indigenous, and other People of Color in the United States today. One of our missions as an organization, which is important to restate here, is to counter the impact of harmful work done by our professional predecessors and to call out scientific racism today.
 

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Race is very much real, regardless of the genetic diversity within it, because it's determined by what people see. When you look at someone, you can't tell see their dna, you see what they are as a result of their dna which was shaped by environmental factors over a course of 1000s, possibly millions of years. Our environment dictated our culture too, hence ethnic groups and nationalities, does that mean that there are no nationalities, ethnic groups etc.
 

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Cap thread made by a cap poster :unimpressed:

Cacs already admitted to having Neanderthal blood that nikkas don’t have. Now that their reign is closing it’s “no we’re all the same, see!?!”

Too late. Keep that same energy that you once had because that’s what you’ll be held to...
 

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This mindset is why our race has been conquered.

The enemy was "race 1st" and we refused to catch up because we were still "culture 1st"

Thats why the slave trade happened.... because "race is fake" and we were still focused on cultural supremacy.

nikkas better wake up and start operating in reality.

Race is real. Guns are real. Economics is real.

Race is the game whether we decide to play it or not, it's played
 
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