Refresh my memory, how good was Grant Hill

[Art Barr]

Couldn't have said it better.

preciate it,...handshake!


nikkaz, fronting on grant hill.
plus, he had the original baddest chick in the game wearing his chain, for real.
where it was built on being a standup blackman.
not a punk cheat sellout, who whoo's the chicken head golddigger anthem maker.


art barr

 

[ThaBronxBully]

He was elite tho...5 straight all-star appearances and looked to be getting into that 25/7/7 range which puts him up right there with the GODS of all time.

Biggest loss we ever witnessed in the NBA due to injury IMO. More than Penny, Roy and a couple of other cats.

See But You're Talking About What He DID And This Thread Isnt About That, This Thread Is Basically Asking Us To Predict A Future That Never Happened

hill was the top of the heap when it came to elite after jordan.
stop fronting,...
you must be mad cause ny got jux'd trying to throw money around on houston.
when hill ramped houston up and made him look better than he really was.

art barr

Damn You Busted Me Art, IM Aggy About The Knicks Signing Allan Houston. How'd You See Through Me?

 

[Majestic Pape]

Dead @ Putting Him In KD & LeBron Company, More Like Rudy Gay/Paul George

He Got A Sneaker Deal And Rookie Of The Year, That Cemented His Holier Then Thou Status In That Time

Grant Could Have Been A Great Sidekick To A Top Tier Guy, I Dont Think He Could Of Been THAT Leader Though

So your response to a perceived overrating of Grant Hill is to go completely in the opposite direction and put him on the level of Paul fukking George?

 

[ThaBronxBully]

So your response to a perceived overrating of Grant Hill is to go completely in the opposite direction and put him on the level of Paul fukking George?

Im Not Gonna Explain It Again Go Back And Read My Post

 

[Art Barr]

A lot of crazy talk from both sides

Grant Hill was a VERY GOOD player and was supposed to be the face of the league after MJ retired. He was labeled soft cause he aint really have that DOG in him

grant hill was not labeled soft.
he was an immediate killer.
that no one expected to be or take the league by storm like he did.
he totally dispeled the duke players are not superstar level talent myth.
which until he did would have continued.

as a matter of fact, if not for hill.
duke would have never had immediate impact pro after him.
i can name a few of those immediate impact pro's off the top of my head:

mags

boozer : when boozer was young, he was the first actualized duke bigman that met draft projections. maybe now, he is sometimey and can not defend. yet for his time when he came out of duke. boozer was a duke turned pro triumph for a big.

elton brand : even undersized and as a duke player. his immediate impact was a first for a duke low post player.
until that point, no duke front court player would have ever been actually what they were supposed to be on paper.



hey joe,...
just stop lying,..breh!
admit you really do not know what the fukk you are talembout.


art barr

 

[sfgiants]

@ paul george. for fcks sake

@ art barr's posts on page 6

 

[AITheAnswerAI]

that is a lie to say he did not have an outside shot.
he was argueably the best mid-range shooter in the league as a rookie.
he was money as a dribble drive and mid-range player and had the best basic execution handles and body control for the wing forward position.
also,...
his basketball iq was way higher than bron and kobe's easily, as well.

hill came into the league when the three point shot was not considered to be a common strength for forward.
plus he was one of the most successful prototypical wing forward players in the history of the nba as well.

hill was dominant till injury.
easily the best low basketball iq era player till injury.
plus it was immediately recognizeable and impact upon his debut as well.

argueably one of the best surprise draft pick choices in the history of the nba as well.

as he went from a darkhorse, to possible duke curse ballplayer.
to argueably the next best player in the league after michael jordan as a rookie.

art barr

By outside shot I meant outside the arc

Other then that, yes he was an amazing player.

 

[Art Barr]

Jordan wouldn't of won those titles without Pippen. Straight like that. Pippen was the best secondary option ever/side kick.

pip was not the best secondary option ever.
just for starters, the silent assassin, james worthy was better than pip.
pip was a schluper, after mike came back the second time.
with his spirit broke, and did not regain it again till portland.
when he was flanked by other high calibur players.

just stop it...
i was watching pip.
back when he was brad sellers doppleganger.
before he man'd the fukk up and mike ramped him up.
out of sheer necessity, because that was all that was there besides horace, and pax.
when real talk,...before pip ramped up horace was better, too.

art barr

 

[Art Barr]

@ paul george. for fcks sake

@ art barr's posts on page 6

preciate it,...handshake!


art barr

 

[Liquid]

See But You're Talking About What He DID And This Thread Isnt About That, This Thread Is Basically Asking Us To Predict A Future That Never Happened



Damn You Busted Me Art, IM Aggy About The Knicks Signing Allan Houston. How'd You See Through Me?

But we had a 6 year sample breh...

22/8/6 on 47% shooting and on its way up is not good enough for you?

He was asserting himself as the best player in the league after Jordan hung up the sneakers. I don't think its overrating him at all...just a clear sign that we were robbed a bit. I think Penny was the most overrated out of the bunch of potential what ifs tbh, but thats another thread.

 

[Art Barr]

Duncan was a top 5 NBA player his rookie year! He wasn't in his prime, but he sure as hell was better than Hill.

Payton is arguable.

duncan was not better than hill, either.
duncan came into the league on a higher pedigree'd and coached ball club.
from argueably one of the best mobile centers in the history of the nba.
who was only hobbled by injury, in david robinson.
plus got to ramp up as a pro.
with a much longer college tenure.
where he was given the most attention, and easily the best wakeforest player, ever.
hill was a second tier also-ran, on duke.
with no superstar pedigree of note in college at all whatsoever.
besides being on a duke ball club.
where even there he did not achieve past the positive pr. which was only bestowed on him because he was a player of the championship duke system.
to immediately coming into the league and willed a scrub detroit team, to an immediate improvement.
by ramping up from the time of the end of the duke post season.
to the nba draft and start of the season.
no other player in nba history.
ramped up as much as hill did between the end of march madness.

grant hill, argueably could be the highest actualized ramped up superstar in any sport's history.


art barr

 

[fantabolous]

One of basketball's great travesties that Hill ruined his ankle. It killed his career and cursed T-Mac to basically re-live Hill's Detroit career in Orlando. Two birds with one stone.

I liked grant hill in Detroit (being that I was in detroit) thought Orlando was about to be a superpower and then grant hill's bytch ass couldn't get his ankle together. He ruined shyt for mcgrady, hurts my soul to this day.

But yeah Grant was a great all around player, I think he was overrated defensively, but his rebounding was great and passing was probably best in the league for a non pg back then.

The comparisons to scottie are legit, though I think scottie is underrated criminally. Grant was more of a natural scorer than scottie, but as a whole, I'd take a prime pippen over a prime grant. I think they both would be best as #2 options though

 

[BrothaZay]

Shaq, Duncan, Malone, Jordan and Payton.

no

 

[Art Barr]

See But You're Talking About What He DID And This Thread Isnt About That, This Thread Is Basically Asking Us To Predict A Future That Never Happened



Damn You Busted Me Art, IM Aggy About The Knicks Signing Allan Houston. How'd You See Through Me?

you are always coming from the position of the scorned ny fan.
you are not fooling a real basketball aficionado like me.
don't forget,...
just for starters, i came up debating hiphop and bball with scoop jackson.
i lived this shyt, breh-breh.


art barr

 

[Art Barr]

probably a hair below what j kidd in his prime was as a complete player but solid offensively

nikka,...

kidd was never seeing hill on no day.
as a matter of fact,...hill was getting the top rnb chick in the game.
while kidd, was argue'n over toni braxton with jim jackson and destroying the mav's team chemistry.
that should have re-invigorated the mav's into a quality franchise.
way before dirk nowitski..
stop playing, b...

your post content is way off from the fukk'n real, joe.


art barr