Rob Manfred is keeping baseball alive. 6 inning minimum for pitchers is on the table

[calh45]

MLB is a dinosaur operation that Selig entrenched with the Good Ol' Boy network. Aaron Judge should be as big as Griffey in the 90s and he's a national afterthought.

This.

That said, baseball is one of the best sports to watch live even especially in the playoffs so weirdly Manfred can bring it back. Chilling with beers on a Saturday afternoon game is one of the dopest things to do on a sunny summer afternoon. I just went to a Dodgers game last month and it was fun as hell. Last time I went to a Padres or Giants game they were fun as hell. I think he fukked up with letting the A's owner do what he's doing, but I don't think it's completely dead. People will come out to a baseball park.

 

[Dipsey Doo]

There are no stars in baseball?

Yeah you just don't like baseball. That comment is so bad.

I love baseball enough to not be in denial about how dire a situation that’s it’s in.

20 years ago, baseball had stars that transcended the sport, must watch rivalries and people cared about the regular season which bleed into the postseason.

Instead of fixing what’s wrong, Manfred is busy tinkering with starting pitching limits to make pitcher wins relevant again .

It’s a damn shame where this great game is right now.

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

All part of Selig enhancing the Good Ol' Boys network. The lack of a cap and floor is a complete joke. There should not be a $200+ million gap between the top spending teams and the bottom. It's profitable for the feeder teams that never spend to jettison off talent every few years and never pay anybody.

If SGA was a baseball player, he would have already been traded from OKC to some other destination that would pay him.

I just looked up total salaries in MLB this season on Spotrac and it says teams are spending $3.2 billion combined on players. That averages out to a little over $107 million per team. 8-9 teams are under that threshold. The NBA and MLB have generate equal revenue and the salary floor for NBA teams is $126 million in 2024-25.

It's just fukking disgraceful MLB still doesn't have a salary floor and cap.

They don’t need a cap. Few teams spend to a ridiculous level, but there’s always a fistful of teams refusing to pay anyone. A salary cap would only function to drive down player salaries and the worst owners still would refuse to spend. This is by far the worst group of owners in the big 4 sports. We’ve got big market owners crying poverty, refusing to spend, shaking down cities for publicly funded stadium, and threatening to or actually moving to smaller markets because most of them are essentially just running a pump and dump scheme.

 

[Da_Eggman]

No way in hell the players except this

 

[10bandz]

MLB is a dinosaur operation that Selig entrenched with the Good Ol' Boy network. Aaron Judge should be as big as Griffey in the 90s and he's a national afterthought.

For real man it cant be stated enough how sad it is that MLB fell off in terms of having national superstars. I wish the Yankees-Sox still had that same feeling too even tho im not a fan of either team. It was still must watch TV.

 

[Regular_P]

They don’t need a cap. Few teams spend to a ridiculous level, but there’s always a fistful of teams refusing to pay anyone. A salary cap would only function to drive down player salaries and the worst owners still would refuse to spend. This is by far the worst group of owners in the big 4 sports. We’ve got big market owners crying poverty, refusing to spend, shaking down cities for publicly funded stadium, and threatening to or actually moving to smaller markets because most of them are essentially just running a pump and dump scheme.

Well, if you have a floor, you need a cap as well. Like I said, there should not be a difference of $100-200 million between teams. You cannot sell that to the average fan, which is why MLB is an afterthought nationally.

Juan Soto is a free agent this winter but we're only talking about the two NY teams actually bidding for him. Why isn't Cleveland in the discussion? Their payroll is $106 million this season. They could pay him $60 million a year and be a middle of the pack payroll in the entire MLB. Why not Pittsburgh, Cincy, Milwaukee or KC with their young stars?

If owners won't spend, it's the responsibility of the league to force them to.

 

[tremonthustler1]

For real man it cant be stated enough how sad it is that MLB fell off in terms of having national superstars. I wish the Yankees-Sox still had that same feeling too even tho im not a fan of either team. It was still must watch TV.

part of that is due to the fact the Yankees have found new enemies we hate just as much (the Astros and Orioles) while the Red Sox for the first time in a long time are losing the city because they feel ownership doesn't care about them anymore.

As far as having national superstars, if the league has become so regional, then national superstars are gonna be hard to come by, but those stars exist (and they exist everywhere, in big and small markets, but America doesn't love when the best players are foreigners)


I'll put it to you this way: no matter how big Ohtani becomes, he'll never be bigger than the Dodgers. Judge will never be bigger than the Yankees and American fans prefer their superstars be bigger than life. Even to the chagrin of real Lakers fans, LeBron can say right now the Lakers are his and receive no pushback. That's what we're accustomed to unless it's the NFL and that's gang shyt.

 

[tremonthustler1]

Well, if you have a floor, you need a cap as well. Like I said, there should not be a difference of $100-200 million between teams. You cannot sell that to the average fan, which is why MLB is an afterthought nationally.

Juan Soto is a free agent this winter but we're only talking about the two NY teams actually bidding for him. Why isn't Cleveland in the discussion? Their payroll is $106 million this season. They could pay him $60 million a year and be a middle of the pack payroll in the entire MLB. Why not Pittsburgh, Cincy, Milwaukee or KC with their young stars?

If owners won't spend, it's the responsibility of the league to force them to.

Those cap penalties serve as that already. That's why the Dodgers got Ohtani playing for $12.50 an hour til the end of his deal when he gets his lump sum.

Soto's gonna be a free agent and it's not even a lock that the Yankees will bid highly for him. If you're heard the scuttlebutt this week, supposedly the worry is that the Yankees don't want to pay anyone more than what they paid Judge, which is why they may let Soto walk which is fukkin crazy. We ain't even mad at the Mets or the Dodgers or Braves because there's a willingness to pump money back to the payroll. The issue isn't the cap; it's that teams wanna spend as little as possible, collect revenue sharing money from the big clubs, and not reinvest. There's no reason why a team like the Angels have such a crappy minor league system, that they're willing to just promote whoever they draft before the year is over. If they're gonna be ass, their system better be Dodgers level promising but it ain't.

 

[Regular_P]

Those cap penalties serve as that already. That's why the Dodgers got Ohtani playing for $12.50 an hour til the end of his deal when he gets his lump sum.

Soto's gonna be a free agent and it's not even a lock that the Yankees will bid highly for him. If you're heard the scuttlebutt this week, supposedly the worry is that the Yankees don't want to pay anyone more than what they paid Judge, which is why they may let Soto walk which is fukkin crazy. We ain't even mad at the Mets or the Dodgers or Braves because there's a willingness to pump money back to the payroll. The issue isn't the cap; it's that teams wanna spend as little as possible, collect revenue sharing money from the big clubs, and not reinvest. There's no reason why a team like the Angels have such a crappy minor league system, that they're willing to just promote whoever they draft before the year is over. If they're gonna be ass, their system better be Dodgers level promising but it ain't.

That's why you need a floor and a cap. Anyone saying it'll depress salaries is out of their minds too. NBA salaries are gonna be over $5.5 billion this upcoming season; $2.3 billion more than MLB's this season.

 

[tremonthustler1]

That's why you need a floor and a cap. Anyone saying it'll depress salaries is out of their minds too. NBA salaries are gonna be over $5.5 billion this upcoming season; $2.3 billion more than MLB's this season.

if you want a hard cap, it will absolutely depress salaries. If you want a soft cap, there isn't much difference between what MLB has and what the NBA has besides the inability to sign anything more than a minimum player.

Given those restrictions, we've already seen how it destroys the free agent market.

 

[mastermind]

Sound like a good idea

 

[phillycavsfan]

Option 2 to make pitchers pitch longer
If you take your starter out before 6 innings you lose the DH. The new pitcher you bring in has to hit. So if glasnow get pulled. Othani gets pulled as well and the new pitcher replace Othani at bats. You can replace the pitcher with your bench

THIS I like a lot, especially if it's only implemented when pitchers don't make it to 6 innings. It turns an AL game into a pre-DH NL game. It'll also force teams to build an actual bench.

 

[Lil Bape the PostGod]

They gotta do some sort of rule around the intentional unintentional walks..reward the hitter with 2 bases or some shyt after 2 walks

Force pitchers to have to pitch to nikkas like judge

 

[blues_funk_reggae]

Should reduce the number of regular season games if anything.

I been saying this for years now, reduce it to 140 games. The amount of times I see teams going through the motions cause they're dead tired, losing games and immediately the players run off the field like they don't give a sh*t cause they're dead tired, running back to their hotels to sleep is ridiculous.

They need to space out these games and let these players breath and rest. The Mets just had a stretch where they flew from NY to Anaheim, then to St. Louis to play a makeup game, then to Denver, then Seattle, then back to NY and they look dead as f*ck out there. Sh*t is basically abuse at this point.

 

[blues_funk_reggae]

They gotta do some sort of rule around the intentional unintentional walks..reward the hitter with 2 bases or some shyt after 2 walks

Force pitchers to have to pitch to nikkas like judge

That goes against the game's strategy. At that point just ban the intentional walk

It's like saying in basketball you can't foul someone in the dying seconds of a close game to get them to the line.

When pitchers were walking Ken Griffey Jr. in the 90s Lou Pinella put Edgar Martinez and Jay Buhner behind him, that's how you combat the intentional walk. Now they have no choice but to pitch to the next hitters. That sh*t quickly stopped and Griffey had 56 homers in 1997.