Saw Hidden Colors 1 & 2 and have some MAJOR beefs with some of the concepts. WATCH THE MOVIE FIRST!

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Hold up...I think i realized why the melanin comments pissed me off so much.

I just remembered I have a friend getting her PhD in MELATONIN research. Not MELANIN. Two different chemicals.

MELATONIN is found in the pineal gland ...NOT MELANIN. (as they erroneously suggested several times in the video)

These nikkas don't even understand basic biology and this is a PRIME example of what i'm talking about.

:what: The Pineal gland secretes Melatonin this stimulates the Pituitary to secrete MSH and MSH regulates the production of Melanin. There is STILL a direct relationship between the two... :snoop:
 

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At which point I point out where the flaws lie and we as a community address them to make an EVEN BETTER documentary.

Ya'll can keep scraping the bottom of the barrel and excusing bullshyt if you want, but thats the sort of thing keeping this good documentary from being ELITE.

Listen man. I have criticized this documentary as well for its flaws. It is far from perfect. But this Hidden Colors platform allowed a perfect opportunity for our people who are not privy to this information to be engaged and willing to go even more in depth with the information that was relayed.

Tariq is already working on Hidden Colors 3 and will be launching a Kickstarter campaign to raise funds for the project. That is our opportunity to establish an economic base with this project to make the documentary that we all want to see with a proper representation of our history.
 

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Son. Everyone does that. Theres an entire section of books at your local bookstore DEDICATED to this.

It doesn't excuse the blatant problems inherent to the films message.

You damn sure don't get to slide by me when talking about HIV isn't real.

A flat out lie, everyone does not do that. We aren't talking about books...we are talking about films made to reach masses easily. Not many people are making films to correct the lies about Black History that has been taught or not taught in our schools. :stopitslime:
 

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@Napoleon you see what J-Nice did? He gave information for other cats to research and look up on their own, instead of just saying "Tariq is wrong, you shouldn't listen to him."

Next time, take that approach and you'll more than likely get a better response. But for god's sake, PLEASE don't try to have no serious convo on this site. You've been a member long enough, you should know better :ufdup:

@J-Nice, can you recommend some good books from those new scholars? I have books by the older authors, but I haven't even heard of these new cats.

Here are a couple of other Master Teachers and Scholars you may not be familiar with that I will be working with in the near future:

Marcus Kline, he is focused on building Independent African Centered schools among other things:



Mwalimu Baruti - Dr Umar Johnson introduced to this Master Teacher

 

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:what: The Pineal gland secretes Melatonin this stimulates the Pituitary to secrete MSH and MSH regulates the production of Melanin. There is STILL a direct relationship between the two... :snoop:

Nope.

Show me the mechanism. Melatonin has NOTHING to do with melanin. Two separate pathways. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melanocyte-stimulating_hormone

I'd love to see this.

Melanin is found and activated upon interaction with UV light of certain spectrums.

Melatonin reacts to wavelengths of blue light and plays a role in the regulation of circadian rhythms.

This is basic fukking biology.
 

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A flat out lie, everyone does not do that. We aren't talking about books...we are talking about films made to reach masses easily. Not many people are making films to correct the lies about Black History that has been taught or not taught in our schools. :stopitslime:

Oh. So now its not that they don't make books, its that they don't force them on you.

Go sit your ass down.

Kids (much like yourself) aren't going to read beyond what they've been forced to read.

There is a MASSIVE industry of historians amateur and professional alike who have books dedicated to lesser known and updated versions of history that seek to address the inadequacies of history educations in every vein.
 

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Listen man. I have criticized this documentary as well for its flaws. It is far from perfect. But this Hidden Colors platform allowed a perfect opportunity for our people who are not privy to this information to be engaged and willing to go even more in depth with the information that was relayed.

Tariq is already working on Hidden Colors 3 and will be launching a Kickstarter campaign to raise funds for the project. That is our opportunity to establish an economic base with this project to make the documentary that we all want to see with a proper representation of our history.

Whats your point?

You just want me to sit down and not say anything. Just say it already.

I've already given it props. Now i'm addressing where it falls flat.

Do you really need to campaign this hard for errors, lies, and falsehoods?
 

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Whats your point?

You just want me to sit down and not say anything. Just say it already.

I've already given it props. Now i'm addressing where it falls flat.

Do you really need to campaign this hard for errors, lies, and falsehoods?

I've clearly and precisely already stated my point.

And i'm going to say this again since you've failed to read my previous post. If you want to see a better documentary either help establish an economic base for the Hidden Colors 3 project or simply make your own.
 

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Oh look, the whole "If you don't believe in this film 100% in ride pimp Tariq's nuts as if nothing's wrong with this film then you don't do anything for your community" defense. You all are worse than your typical hoodrat female. No points, ignorant, and only emotionally driven retorts to back you up. :laff:

Don't wanna see any of you nikkas in a Tyler Perry thread tryna go in on a black man's fiction movie when you're to scared to look up the info from an actual documentary.. :ufdup: :laff:


Ivan Sertima has been largely discredited because while a lot of his stuff feels good emotionally, it has no scientific proof to back up his claims.

J.A. Rogers is legit, but many of his ideas are social and rooted in white ideology of the time period he spoke of, but didn't fully understand (ie. Him calling Beethoven mixed. :aicmon: His ancestors were from the Iberian, yes. But that doesn't mean he's "black", and if so, a lot of Italians, Portuguese, and Spanish, are "black" simply because they were considered darker/"negroidal" by northern Europeans who were more so used to pale, blonde haired, blue eyed people, not olive skinned people with darker hair).

I will give you Clarke and Diop, but I don't think their "inclusions" to the film's text are substantiating the outrageous claims through out.

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All in all, I think what you all are missing is that, no one's saying that the film is 100% correct, just that it exaggerates in places it doesn't need too. If black people have the rich history we claim, it's okay for us to point out a few fallacies without getting our panties in a bunch. Y'all are acting like the earth is gonna shatter and the black community will fail if Mansa Musa and Moctezuma aren't the same person or if Black Irish doesn't really mean African Irish people. :laff: It's like you all have pride in such feeble things.

The whole "If you don't like it, go make your own" rhetoric is played and only mirrors that white idea of "If you don't like racism, go back to Africa" as if wanting to be right is so wrong/offensive. It's really just a cop out to never have anyone say anything for complacency with substandard shyt that makes insecure people feel better. :yeshrug:


I'm fukking :dead:

I came late to this thread so I have no dog in the fight of whether people agree or disagree with the information presented in hidden colors. I only highlighted some of the authors in both films that were referenced as far as the information is concerned so people could have a chance to look up the information to judge for themselves. Many of the people presenting information in the documentary are doing so from some of the works of the authors I have mentioned. Matter of fact, some of them worked directly under those same people.But maybe your above point is referenced to others and not myself. I don't know.

But, what I do have a problem with is people not being able to thoroughly refute the claims they have made in regards to the information by citing sources that claim otherwise. Especially when debates regarding African history are the subject because of the social, and political implications they bring. African history is a touchy subject for many people because much of it does not fit their narrow world view of Africa or African people. All of that brings me to these questions; What reputable scholar or organization has discredited Ivan Van Sertima's work? And to what extent has that been done? I ask this because you can find his books being used by Universities in their history and humanities departments all over the world. Matter of fact I own all of his books and he documents thoroughly where he gets his sources from. The same can be said for JA rogers. While he does make some outrageous claims in some of his work, much of his work is beyond reproach when it comes to the level scholarship he put into bringing the information to the masses. I don't think his ideas were rooted in "white ideology", I believe they were rooted in finding truth regardless of the outcome. Authors such as these are starting points, but they are not the end all be all of scholarship on African history. That is exactly why I have researched and have read other authors to get a better hold of the information.

But if we are going to have a legitimate convo about disagreeing, then let's all come to the table with weapons ready to make our defense.
 

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I'm going to watch Both hidden colors again and come back to this thread so I can dialogue with you all again about what I disagree with. If anyone wants to continue this with me, hit me up by pm. I won't post another reply in this thread until I have re watched both HC films again.
 
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I've clearly and precisely already stated my point.

And i'm going to say this again since you've failed to read my previous post. If you want to see a better documentary either help establish an economic base for the Hidden Colors 3 project or simply make your own.

I'd only support HC-3 if I got to offer some input into the level of scholarship and information being invested into his presentation

Now. I'm not going to hold "letters" against them, because many of their arguments negated any sort of legitimacy that you'd expect from them anyways...but some serious investigation by people who won't stoop to these levels of wackiness and unsubstantiated nonsense just to get a point across would REALLY go a long way.
 
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Oh look, the whole "If you don't believe in this film 100% in ride pimp Tariq's nuts as if nothing's wrong with this film then you don't do anything for your community" defense. You all are worse than your typical hoodrat female. No points, ignorant, and only emotionally driven retorts to back you up. :laff:

Don't wanna see any of you nikkas in a Tyler Perry thread tryna go in on a black man's fiction movie when you're to scared to look up the info from an actual documentary.. :ufdup: :laff:

It's not a defense since there's nothing to be defensive about. He used a bullshyt excuse of I'm just trying to help the cause and I called him out on it. And obviously I was right. I even told dude to let me know what organization he belongs to and I'd donate, and he ignored me and went on an emotional tangent.

Everytime these types of threads comes up, I ask the loud mouths the same questions. What are you doing to help the community you claim to care so deeply amount? 99% of the time them nikkas is nothing more than arm chair activists and facebook freedom fighters.

Personally I don't give 2 fukks about what Tyler Perry does or doesn't do. Some of his movies are aight, some are whack. And you'll never see me talking reckless about Tyler Perry because he's pretty much the only reason a lot of black actors even have work. I put him in the Tariq Nasheed category. Are there things I don't necessarily agree with? Sure. But at the end of the day he's actually doing something than sitting on a computer criticizing everyone who isn't.
 
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