SEC Expansion

[mamba]

For the SEC its about TV sets/population, college football and geographic continuity with the rest of the SEC. Texas is out since Texas AM has already brought in the state Texas' TV market. Oklahoma doesn't have the TV sets for the SEC Network. The logical choices would be Virginia Tech and NC State since both institutions would pull in their whole states TV sets to push revenue on the cable networks.

You could easily say UNC and Virgina but UNC isn't interested in breaking up the rivalry with Duke and Virginia's football program hasn't been traditoally as good as VTech.

I can see NC State being a good way to get the NC market. UNC will stay in the ACC.

Bring in Oklahoma and NC State.

But, they'd need to revalance SEC East and West.

Can't have Alabama, LSU, Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Arkansas, Ole Piss all killing the SEC's playoff chances by eating one another!

I'd go:

SEC West
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Alabama
Texas A&M
Missouri
Mississippi St
LSU
Kentucky
Oklahoma
Arkansas

SEC East
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Florida
Georgia
Ole Miss
Auburn
Tennessee
NC State
South Carolina
Vanderbilt

 

[rlg]

Except OU had and still has an open invitation to the SEC. Boren, as white people generally say, "screwed the pooch" when he didn't leave with Texas A&M after Colorado and Nebraska had either already left or making arrangements to leave.

I don't believe that's true, but assuming it was, why wouldn't they accept it? As disgruntled as OU has been all the way back since 2011 and the wallflower comment Boren made with all the conference realignment movement since then there is no reason they wouldn't have made a decision if they were going to do it. They may prefer the SEC but that doesn't mean the SEC prefers them.

 

[QuintessentialBM]

I don't believe that's true, but assuming it was, why wouldn't they accept it? As disgruntled as OU has been all the way back since 2011 and the wallflower comment Boren made with all the conference realignment movement since then there is no reason they wouldn't have made a decision if they were going to do it. They may prefer the SEC but that doesn't mean the SEC prefers them.

Because Boren is a wallflower (contrary to his words). OU had (and still) has all the cards. Texas and OSU bluffed him, and he folded. Boren should have let Texas go indy and took OU to the SEC. By staying in the Big XII, it reinforced that OU is happy being under Texas's thumb, happy with Texas getting that ESPN money, in addition to the Big XII money and content with Texas shytting on the rest of the conference members as long as OU gets to continue to play Texas in Dallas every year. OSU's only card is to withdrawl state education funds if OU doesn't secure them a home in a power conference.

The writing is on the wall... the Big XII doesn't have enough media markets that are desirable to the networks to warrant them getting new TV contracts, thanks to Texas's arrogance and greed. OU needs to let this conference die and let everyone go their separate ways!

As for the SEC wanting OU, just search on various SEC boards... the threads are still there....

This conference dies in 2024.... period.

 

[MegaTronBomb!]

Why and what does this have to do with this thread?

You asked what academics has to do with conference membership.... when there is an entire conference that's based on that.

These are academic institutions after all....just cause they're running a modern day slave system doesn't mean that academics don't matter.

 

[Rigby.]

No way UNC switches for basketball reason. I say Virginia and Louisville would be nice

For those same reasons, why would UL leave?

 

[Rigby.]

NC state is part of the UNC system. If you want to use a great example of two universities attached to the hip, this is the one. Also from a business partner perspective, I doubt UNC and Duke will want to break up.

Like Alabama and UAB (which is more like OJ Simpson and Nicole Brown honestly)

Even if one tried, they have no option

 

[Crayola Coyote]

it would be kind foolish for Clemson or FSU or OU or Texas to join the SEC.

It'd be too many big school competing for 1 spot.

Basically the SEC title would be unquestionably better than a national title.

Watch FSU or Florida play Bama or LSU every year

 

[Crayola Coyote]

Miami would do well in the SEC

 

[No1]

So imagine that it's a perfect world and you can create whatever conference you want? Which teams do you put in your 12 or 16 team conference?

 

[Spade]

Boren is close to retirement anyways.... This entire realignment ordeal has set the university back, so he isn't the most popular person in Oklahoma right now. Boren is on borrowed time. He probably won't make it to 2025.

If Texas/ESPN let go the Longhorn network for a real Big XII network, then the conference could survive.... but that ain't happening. Houston and BYU ain't getting in either.

So Texas will get their independence in football and play all other sports in the PAC-12 while OU is going to the SEC(if boosters get their way) or B1G(if administration gets their way) in 2025.

RIP Big XII

The problem with a big 12 network is nobody will watch it. Espn and Fox knows this. Outside of the state of Texas, the conference is made up of mostly rural states with mid sized cities at best.

Also Texas is not going independent. They never even flirted going independent. The staff there already is even less in favor of going independent than the previous possibly were. I have no idea why people keep talking about Texas going independent.
Also blaming Texas for the conference the way it is now is short sighted. Every large school ten years ago voted to keep their tier three rights. OU included.

 

[Uno]

Texas and Oklahoma should join the ACC

 

[Lucky_Lefty]

Miami would do well in the SEC

tell me more kind sir

 

[QuintessentialBM]

The problem with a big 12 network is nobody will watch it. Espn and Fox knows this. Outside of the state of Texas, the conference is made up of mostly rural states with mid sized cities at best.

Also Texas is not going independent. They never even flirted going independent. The staff there already is even less in favor of going independent than the previous possibly were. I have no idea why people keep talking about Texas going independent.
Also blaming Texas for the conference the way it is now is short sighted. Every large school ten years ago voted to keep their tier three rights. OU included.

Which is why this shyt is over with! If you wanna blame the Big XII for anything, you can blame Bob Bowlsby for leading on the expansion candidates that an actual decision about which teams were getting admitted was discussed and being voted on at this meeting. Completely unprofessional and damn near disrespectful!

You're right! Everyone signed, but you can't blame & hold OU accountable for the way BM Texas Donors and the former Big XII administration, who were basically Texas puppets, treated Nebraska like shyt(which started this whole mess).

The best way to make Texas STFU & concede power is to BEAT THE shyt OUTTA THEM! Nebraska couldn't hold up their end (while being in the weakest division of the Big XII). No one told Nebraska to fire Frank Solich who was winning 7-9 games rebuilding the program because he wasn't winning at a level Nebraska is accustomed to. This and Texas's a$$hole behavior sent Nebby running to the B1G. It wasn't OU's fault that A&M became a joke of a program that was tired of being Texas's bytch and getting embarrassed in the worse L in school history after we skull drug 77-0 in 3 quarters of football, so they ran to the SEC. Colorado, aside from a couple upsets weren't doing shyt in or outside of the confetence and Mizzou was only competitive right when they were about to leave.

Colorado and Mizzou left because they got nervous about the uncertainty of OU remaining in the conference after Nebraska and A&M had already bolted.

Texas, their money grab with ESPN and these programs' inability to remain competitive caused the destruction of the Big XII!

 

[Crayola Coyote]

tell me more kind sir

Miami would do well in the SEC.

 

[QuintessentialBM]

Texas and Oklahoma should join the ACC

First of all, Texas isn't joining any conference until they somehow lose or get rid of that Longhorn Network. That is a big ass albatross. Secondly, which conferences are going to put up with Texas's behavior, although they are a money machine?

The real action will begin in 2023 when the GOR for the SEC/ESPN/CBS are up for renewal... that's when the dominos will fall if the Big XII hasn't added any teams.

I'm sure ESPN has a trick up it's sleeve because that LHN deal doesn't expire until 2030, so they'll have to eat that buyout cost if they break that agreement(but they won't).

This is hearsay(that I believe), but Texas people for many years have said that they could have been in the SEC many years ago (with Arkansas), but they turned them down due to culture differences (lmao) and academic standards. They still say that they don't want to be in the SEC, but what will they do if all of their former regional rivals(LSU, Arkansas, A&M and OU) are all in the SEC making long bread in the premier college football conference in the nation with Texas on the outside?