Settle this debate for me. Was Cam'ron ever a superstar?
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and shoot, they were big before that.
their music had a longer reach and reasonated better than wutang and most crews period.
alot of wutang fans dont seem to understand that, and never will at this point.
I guess boosie is a superstar then since he is selling out arenas all over the south
maybe when he starts selling out arenas all over the country.
Nas does NOT belong in that group.kids and youngins at the time believe that cam was a star? you mean the same way that kids and youngins at the time believe that nas was a star?
any joe schmoe can make a tribute tape about artists that they like.
it doesnt mean that they were king chit in their city.
just because somebody got the DJ title in their name, it doesnt mean that their favorites are representative of anybody but themselves.
ehh.
im sorry but gucci not up there with camron.
gucci got that south/midwest backwoodz towns legacy. and those are the cats that he influenced. and thats cool, but hes not across-the-board with his on the level of killa.
bullchit.
a superstar is a superstar. it doesnt matter the time period.
THE PROBLEM IS you didnt take notice of how i seperated superstar from rap superstar. i myself said that nas was a RAP superstar BUT thats where it stops.
and im sure you know this. thats why youre trying to save face by tapdancing, hurling insults & moving goal-posts.
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No bias. I'm a fan of dip set. Got every album of every nikka on there. From cam to jr to 40 cal to SAS
But y'all are downgrading SUPERstar. Adele is a superstar. Jay is a superstar. Kanye is a superstar. Mariah is a superstar
You say ye is crossover. Well that's what a superstar does.
Not a rap star. Hood star. Big star
We talking superstar. Hounded by paps. Articles in people magazine. Sell platinum a few times over. Recognized in any corner of the world
What y'all keep describing sounds like someone famous in rap. Or famous with people who know rap. A superstar transcends his genre.
I don't listen to rock. I know who Metallica is. I know who nirvana is. I know who Garth brooks is and I don't know country. That's a superstar
Hit????? What hits??? The whistle song???? Again. A rap hit maybe. I doubt you find 20 people who know the lyrics. Run me a quick list of jim jones hits......
Now before you start. Don't give me popular rap songs. I want HITS that sold records and still popular and get play today
All I'm doing is keeping the bar where it's supposed to be. I'm not throwing in "oh they popular in rap. They popular in 4 countries. Oh they had 4-5 hot songs"
No you either a superstar or you not. Don't mean they weren't popping for rap. Or getting shows and shyt
But if you never even did a STADIUM tour, where you headlined and packed 50 states with 30-50k people on the reg. Then don't bring no damn superstar talk in this
no
nikka was just another local star in hip-hop
nikka was just another local star in hip-hop
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Cam's heyday was when I was shortly after I was out of high school. That said, my former high school forced the boys to stop wearing pink. That is influence
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I think this thread was fukked from jump. Cause nobody established the criteria.
I agree with you. 99% of these nikkas ain't superstars. Superstars can't leave their house without cameras. Superstars need police escorts to hit the mall. Superstars are known by people who don't even know anything about your genre.
You popular in the genre you in, then you a star. You do a few movies then you might be a b list celeb. You ain't no Barbara Streisand nikka. You not a tom cruise. You're not an oprah. You're not Kobe Bryant.
It's ok to be hot. To be famous. To be a rap star. To be known in 10 countries. To be doing it a long time. To a STAR
But if nikkas ain't camped out in your bushes. If you can walk to the grocery store and not make it on the front of the tabloids. If they ain't paying for pics of you doing absolutely nothing. Then you probably aren't a SUPERstar
Stop trying to lump in everyone into super status, based on shyt that 30 other artists have done and are currently doing.
And for the record. Rap superstars. I'd say jay, em, snoop and dre are about it right now. Meaning I can go anywhere to anyone no matter where or who. And say you ever heard of...... And they'd instantly say of course. Even if they never heard one song
You think if I asked some white guy in Greenland if he heard on jeezy he'd say yea??? What if I asked him about snoop?
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This whole wu tang argument is just dumb
First off y'all comparing 1993 to 1999 and beyond. nikkas had tapes, no internet, and no "burners" to be passing shyt around so quick.
If you didn't see it in yo raps or the source. You was fukked. MTV barely had 1 rap show. What was a BET?? You was lucky if your tv had the box. And that cost money to order up a video
You MIGHT have 1 rap station in your area. Might. Have. One. And you better hope your local music store had a rap section
And somehow y'all gonna compare the reach to what was going on in 1999 and the 2000s
What's also funny is y'all refuse to let us break up wu. You scared? We can talk dips, then break it up into cam, jimmy and juelz and speak of their reach
But if I bring up method and Mary J and ask if all 3 combined had a bigger hit than that........
You wanna bring up movies?? We talking rza scoring them??? Or acting in them?? Or directing them??? Or meth just acting in them??? Or how about ghost face being put in the ironman movie???
Longevity. Did I mention 1993?? Or shall I mention how dip set got broke up in a few years by 50 cent. An actual superstar
Cam can't even headline summer jam. Ebro was about to have wu headline and do promo tour with hot 97 if not for Rae fukking that up
Talking bout ain't one of them driving a cab. What's 40 cal driving these days. What's hell rell's watch looking like? Oh y'all forgot there was 50 fukking members in dipset right. No see no mention of their current status
Dipset didn't have more of anything than wutang except swag. But if y'all wanna go song for song, hit for hit. Anytime y'all ready...........
First off y'all comparing 1993 to 1999 and beyond. nikkas had tapes, no internet, and no "burners" to be passing shyt around so quick.
If you didn't see it in yo raps or the source. You was fukked. MTV barely had 1 rap show. What was a BET?? You was lucky if your tv had the box. And that cost money to order up a video
You MIGHT have 1 rap station in your area. Might. Have. One. And you better hope your local music store had a rap section
And somehow y'all gonna compare the reach to what was going on in 1999 and the 2000s
What's also funny is y'all refuse to let us break up wu. You scared? We can talk dips, then break it up into cam, jimmy and juelz and speak of their reach
But if I bring up method and Mary J and ask if all 3 combined had a bigger hit than that........
You wanna bring up movies?? We talking rza scoring them??? Or acting in them?? Or directing them??? Or meth just acting in them??? Or how about ghost face being put in the ironman movie???
Longevity. Did I mention 1993?? Or shall I mention how dip set got broke up in a few years by 50 cent. An actual superstar
Cam can't even headline summer jam. Ebro was about to have wu headline and do promo tour with hot 97 if not for Rae fukking that up
Talking bout ain't one of them driving a cab. What's 40 cal driving these days. What's hell rell's watch looking like? Oh y'all forgot there was 50 fukking members in dipset right. No see no mention of their current status
Dipset didn't have more of anything than wutang except swag. But if y'all wanna go song for song, hit for hit. Anytime y'all ready...........
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Also set to join previously announced headliners Wu-Tang Clan and Odd Future is Dipset (Cam'ron + Jim Jones + Juelz Santana + Freekey Zekey), who will be performing together at Paid Dues for their first ever West Coast performance. Look for additional performers to be announced soon.
Be bigger stars. But open for wutang in 2012 brehs
Be bigger on the west coast but do your first ever performance over there in 2012 brehs
Be bigger stars. But open for wutang in 2012 brehs
Be bigger on the west coast but do your first ever performance over there in 2012 brehs
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Wu-Tang Clan, rapper ODB's FBI file reveals drug, gun, murder allegations - NY Daily News
Say nobody fukked with wu in the ohio hoods you was at when the FBI documents they was running guns and drugs all through Ohio brehs
Say nobody fukked with wu in the ohio hoods you was at when the FBI documents they was running guns and drugs all through Ohio brehs
excellent..excellent...excellent
I was waiting for this to be brought up.
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.....What if you are more popular abroad than you are in your home country?? 
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thank you,...
for the finishing move.
I was easily about to go there.
once, duke kept trying to make it like.
he knew what constituted what a superstar was for that era.
plus, not even know his own local history on the Wu.
nikkaz, think rap been on the radio during the normal business operation hours.
when, daylight was purely visible, since they saw MTV recount their propaganda on sugarhill gang, and records.
when, rap only was on the radio in general from the seventies to 1996.
on the am station at prime time, or all the way at the end of the dial on weekday nights.
when I say weekday nights...
I mean just starting at ten o'clock.
nikkaz, don't even know rap was not heard at the skating rink, or in any venue, in general at all.
if you heard a rap record in a venue.
it was because you had an exception to the rule DJ.
who was innovative and nice enough to fit your request into his set.
when, typically said DJ.
especially in Chicago or anywhere not on the urban eastern seaboard was not progressive like that.
was not about that life of digging in the crate for other genre's like that.
To even know what breaks appealed to bboys/bgirls.
nor, did THEY GIVE ONE IOTA OF A fukk, PERIOD...BOI!!
originally, rap was only on the radio on weekends.
starting at ten pm to about 2am in the morning.
they don't even know rap on weekends.
was not heard, in general at all during the hours where actual daylight was seen in the morning.
till heavy d, consistently broke the barrier.
to get a five thirty spin on Tom joyner's song ranking show ranked at number twenty.
which was like the marketing for superhomeboy.
where heavy d never went up the countdown, with mr big stuff, or overweight lover ever.
it was so much discrimination, for rap.
that when, we got our own thang finally moved a rap song past number twenty to number nineteen.
Joyner made note of that.
when, typically before that.
he never even said the name of heavy d.
till he recapped the countdown, after seventeen other records had played.
Hours later, and past the time any bboy my age generally would have stayed dialed.
when, don't believe the hype was at number sixteen and actually cracked the top ten.
it helped superhomeboy come on later than just as a marketing tool.
to get the kids to tune with our tape decks ready to record real quick.
right before cartoons got started.
they don't even realize what criteria and how much discrimination rap had against it.
to the point, the word hiphop and the actual culture.
were not even known as daily terms.
shyt, the word culture being attached to hiphop.
is still not even a general term or occurrence even attached to hiphop, or any of its businesses.
most nikkaz on this forum.
don't even know what to call people who are really a part of the culture.
they don't even reference themselves as the term.
yet, want to act like they are in the know, as experts. about hiphop and its resulting businesses.
when, just for starters they only know a bit about one industry from hiphop and that is only, rap.
of that they only know about the general speak of a rap sales spike era.
that was a solidified window from 1998-2oo4.
that did not even span ten full years.
or, even close at a fully vibrant level for five years.
yet, try to tell a bboy.
who was a superstar in what era.
then try to argue a person who is part of the culture.
who actually was really apart of its industry.
when, it was small.
to watch it become largely oversaturated damn near overnight.
shyt is a joke.
it would be like if I @hustlemania.
then tell him the company Santa Cruz, was never a superstar based company for skating.
then, I argue with him and go even further and say on some bullshyt, Tony Alva was not on shyt.
like I said before:
shyt is a fukking joke.
you, nikkaz and I use that for any ignorant person of any color.
who are trying to speak on a culture.
who have no discernible knowledge or even social experience in said culture.
then, try to tell someone who is really apart of said culture.
what constitutes what goes on in said culture.
you can't speak for a culture.
you are not a fukking part of.
yet, with your ignorant narcissistic white Republican based minds.
you, feel you can attempt to tell people of a culture who is a superstar in their culture.
it would be like me going to cbgb's in NY.
right out the time machine in the mid 70's.
with four yuppies talembout fukk iggy pop and the stooges.
dey ain't no superstars!!!
or, I go to the remnants of Pocahontas or little foots tribe and say dey ain't on shyt.
or, I go to ras and Dem and be like fukk puma Jones, ras!
you nikkaz have no knowledge, social interaction, history, culture, or sense of self.
yet, you want to speak on an industry of a culture.
you not even fukking apart of.
plus, further perpetuate, what a superstar is for era's.
you were not even cognitive for.
plus, don't even do what bboys/bgirls really do who are a part of the culture do.
which is go find the real social sentiment of the history, of the culture.
Art Barr
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not even. he said Ohio.
there was a point in time when it was called Wu-Hi-O
mind you nggaz talkin about dipset but the only reason cam "gets it in ohio" is cuz the WU was there first and structured the blueprint physically and musically
its crazy homey said he from ohio and he my age. that is just crazy and i know homey has little to no underworld ties or even knowledge of some real O.G.s
if you this old and got 100 video game systems and more than half your posts are about that then i aint shocked when your in a state that WU tookover and you talkin bout nobody rocked wit them like that.
homey was playin mario kart etc and dreamcastin and obviously wasnt listenin to hip-hop like that
when dipset blew up it was already after 911 and i was of legal age. if homey rocked dipset and he my age that means during his teen years he wasnt on it like that