Settle this debate for me. Was Cam'ron ever a superstar?

[Wacky D]

what kind of middle-of-nowhere towns are yall from where you didnt get hip-hop on the radio before 10pm until 1996? @Art Barr

and where you didnt get BET and would be lucky to get the box? @Venem

really
reeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally
macklemore in ohio... big crowd.. people chanting the lyrics.. this is last year.. 2013 and 2014 is halfway over and you never heard him in ohio


odd future in ohio.. again.. you CLEARLY hear the crowd going along with the words... one is last year.. one is two years ago.. seems they are out there for 2 straight years but YOU never heard of them in ohio

you know youre just proving his point right?

hes saying the hood arent checking for these people, and clearly theyre not in the crowd in those videos.

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

what kind of middle-of-nowhere towns are yall from where you didnt get hip-hop on the radio before 10pm until 1996? @Art Barr

and where you didnt get BET and would be lucky to get the box? @Venem





you know youre just proving his point right?

hes saying the hood arent checking for these people, and clearly theyre not in the crowd in those videos.

nah homie... that's not what he said.. he was saying he been all over ohio.. from the hood to the burbs and nobody was bumping it.. he also said they don't even come there and he never heard of them

nikka named like 15 cities and talking the span of 10-15 years worth of ohio driving lol. now if we gonna switch it up then what's the point of this conversation?? cause that would basically mean dips are just hood known aka hood stars and these other people have crossed over into suburbia and worldwide markets... which would clearly make them more popular.. even in his own state


and nikka i wasn't rich... my mom wasn't paying for no damn bet and shyt back in 1993... i grew up in philly.. rap was on the radio.. but you can't sit here and say rap was booming like it was in 1999, the same way it was in 1993. the scene didn't blow up with everybody and they mama going plat until like 1997-1998.. then they started putting rap everywhere cause the money was there

the industry is gonna follow the money.. which is why all the sudden edm is blowing up. now everyone selling doing those records and suddenly it's all over radio and tv. that was raps explosion in the late 90s

and what's funny... wu-tang still sold more in 1993 than the dips in the 2000s, without the help of instant music and itunes and 24/7 mtv jams and every market having 2-3 rap stations a piece

 

[Wacky D]

nah homie... that's not what he said.. he was saying he been all over ohio.. from the hood to the burbs and nobody was bumping it.. he also said they don't even come there and he never heard of them

nikka named like 15 cities and talking the span of 10-15 years worth of ohio driving lol. now if we gonna switch it up then what's the point of this conversation?? cause that would basically mean dips are just hood known aka hood stars and these other people have crossed over into suburbia and worldwide markets... which would clearly make them more popular.. even in his own state


and nikka i wasn't rich... my mom wasn't paying for no damn bet and shyt back in 1993... i grew up in philly.. rap was on the radio.. but you can't sit here and say rap was booming like it was in 1999, the same way it was in 1993. the scene didn't blow up with everybody and they mama going plat until like 1997-1998.. then they started putting rap everywhere cause the money was there

the industry is gonna follow the money.. which is why all the sudden edm is blowing up. now everyone selling doing those records and suddenly it's all over radio and tv. that was raps explosion in the late 90s

and what's funny... wu-tang still sold more in 1993 than the dips in the 2000s, without the help of instant music and itunes and 24/7 mtv jams and every market having 2-3 rap stations a piece

my bad. i thought the dipset/wutang stuff was a hood argument. pardon me.

but dog, im from philly too. i didnt say that it was the biggest boom period but rap was indeed boomin in '93. lol. cmon son. this was the height of the death row era. how was rap not boomin? ESPECIALLY IN PHILLY, which is a rap capital and its been boomin here before i was even alive.

im not saying that everybody had cable, but if you didnt, then you knew somebody who did. AND YOU DAM SURE knew people with chip boxes. unless you werent off the porch yet. and thats cool, but thats where you gotta speak for yourself. and it was indeed all over the radio in '93. even Q102 tried to switch their format to a str8 urban station for a minute and went to war with power 99.

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

my bad. i thought the dipset/wutang stuff was a hood argument. pardon me.

but dog, im from philly too. i didnt say that it was the biggest boom period but rap was indeed boomin in '93. lol. cmon son. ESPECIALLY IN PHILLY, which is a rap capital and its been boomin here before i was even alive probably.

im not saying that everybody had cable, but if you didnt, then you knew somebody who did. unless you werent off the porch yet. and thats cool, but thats where you gotta speak for yourself. and it was indeed all over the radio in '93. even Q102 tried to switch their format to a str8 urban station for a minute and went to war with power 99.

I think we agree like 99%. The only disconnect is the levels of rap. Yea it was readily available back then. I could easily hit 52nd street and cop some mixtapes.

The whole point of this entire thread was dudes acting like dipset was bigger than wutang. Locally, nationwide, and globally

They babed that off dipset being everywhere and how much play it got

Well in 99-2000s you could be a white kid from Idaho and get mixtapes online. Get a CD burner. Download off kazaa. Go on myspace. Get ringtones on your phone. Etc etc. then go online and discuss it with the world in an instant

To compare that to what people had in 93 is crazy.

And what's even worse is, still wutang outsold all the dips whether if we doing group to group or solos to solos.

But somehow half these posters still think the dips was more popular and that can was a world renown superstar

 

[Wacky D]

I think we agree like 99%. The only disconnect is the levels of rap. Yea it was readily available back then. I could easily hit 52nd street and cop some mixtapes.

The whole point of this entire thread was dudes acting like dipset was bigger than wutang. Locally, nationwide, and globally

They babed that off dipset being everywhere and how much play it got

Well in 99-2000s you could be a white kid from Idaho and get mixtapes online. Get a CD burner. Download off kazaa. Go on myspace. Get ringtones on your phone. Etc etc. then go online and discuss it with the world in an instant

To compare that to what people had in 93 is crazy.

And what's even worse is, still wutang outsold all the dips whether if we doing group to group or solos to solos.

But somehow half these posters still think the dips was more popular and that can was a world renown superstar

white kids had the internet in '93.

i guess i missed when the wutang/dipset argument took a turn, but when i was following it, they were saying that dipset was bigger than wutang on a HOOD national level. and i would have to agree with that. also, i didnt see anybody prove them wrong. just cuz they hustled in ohio and signed rappers from there, it doesnt mean that their music was huge in the streets of ohio. and i didnt see anybody call their bluff on that.

i didnt see anybody say that dipset were bigger superstars than wutang, but hey i mustve missed that one.

 

[mobbinfms]

white kids had the internet in '93.

i guess i missed when the wutang/dipset argument took a turn, but when i was following it, they were saying that dipset was bigger than wutang on a HOOD national level. and i would have to agree with that. also, i didnt see anybody prove them wrong. just cuz they hustled in ohio and signed rappers from there, it doesnt mean that their music was huge in the streets of ohio. and i didnt see anybody call their bluff on that.

i didnt see anybody say that dipset were bigger superstars than wutang, but hey i mustve missed that one.

His point is that you couldn't go online in 93 and have every hip hop release easily available. I don't think high speed internet was prevalent in 93 (I didn't get a computer until 99 - so I could be wrong about all of this) had mp3s even been invented? Was email even common in 93?

Rich people probably had computers hooked up to the internet - but they didn't have CD burners or the ability to download music. Hip hop was still something you had tondo your homework on to be in the know about.

 

[Wacky D]

His point is that you couldn't go online in 93 and have every hip hop release easily available. I don't think high speed internet was prevalent in 93 (I didn't get a computer until 99 - so I could be wrong about all of this) had mp3s even been invented? Was email even common in 93?

Rich people probably had computers hooked up to the internet - but they didn't have CD burners or the ability to download music. Hip hop was still something you had tondo your homework on to be in the know about.

it wasnt just rich people. Prodigy was a major well-known company by '93 at the latest. prolly before then but thats just when i caught wind of it. and compuserve, AOL, erols?, web-tv, etc all got big not long after. i think '93 is the year when the internet really hit the middle class.

 

[mobbinfms]

it wasnt just rich people. Prodigy was a major well-known company by '93 at the latest. prolly before then but thats just when i caught wind of it. and compuserve, AOL, erols?, web-tv, etc all got big not long after. i think '93 is the year when the internet really hit the middle class.

Yeah but that was all dial up. The point remains whether file sharing was widespread. In 93 - it wasn't. MP3 wasn't even invented until 95. I just looked it up. And CD burners weren't standard when I bought my computer in 99 - so they certainly weren't in 93.

People weren't online getting every hip hop release free and immediately back in 93.

 

[Still Benefited]

I think we agree like 99%. The only disconnect is the levels of rap. Yea it was readily available back then. I could easily hit 52nd street and cop some mixtapes.

The whole point of this entire thread was dudes acting like dipset was bigger than wutang. Locally, nationwide, and globally

They babed that off dipset being everywhere and how much play it got

Well in 99-2000s you could be a white kid from Idaho and get mixtapes online. Get a CD burner. Download off kazaa. Go on myspace. Get ringtones on your phone. Etc etc. then go online and discuss it with the world in an instant

To compare that to what people had in 93 is crazy.

And what's even worse is, still wutang outsold all the dips whether if we doing group to group or solos to solos.

But somehow half these posters still think the dips was more popular and that can was a world renown superstar

iono cuz now my stance is starting to lean the other direction....When you factor in the internet which wasn't big in the 90's how possible is it that maybe just maybe Dipset could've been more well known than superstars in the 90's...more well known than Wutang,more well known than Snoop Dogg.

I think maybe the question needs to become how irrelevant is "fame" in the 2000's compared to the 90's...its like its not even an incredible feat to be "known" no more....so its like what if Dipset was more "known" in the 2000's....how do you really compare that with dudes who were as known as a Wutang or Snoop in the 90's before the internet age,cable tv,mixtapes available to everybody age....word of mouth 90's famous is so much greater than being internet age famous it aint even funny

how can you compare nikkas knowin Ice-T's girls name back in the day,with Wiz Khalifa girl bein "known" now....its levels to this shyt,i refuse to give one credit over the other even if it is true Amber Rose is more "known" than Darlene was...You can call it denial,or call it me realizing just how irrelevant this argument is bcuz you can never convince me somebody whos " well known" in the internet age deserves more props then a nikka who was "kinda known" in the 90's...its levels

hate to sound like the "everything is better in the 90's" guy but im just bein honest

 

[mobbinfms]

it wasnt just rich people. Prodigy was a major well-known company by '93 at the latest. prolly before then but thats just when i caught wind of it. and compuserve, AOL, erols?, web-tv, etc all got big not long after. i think '93 is the year when the internet really hit the middle class.

Internet Growth Statistics - the Global Village Online

Not sure how accurate this is - but it looks like 16 million people were internet users in 95. That may be worldwide as well.

 

[Won Won]

i think '93 is the year when the internet really hit the middle class.

His point is that you couldn't go online in 93 and have every hip hop release easily available. I don't think high speed internet was prevalent in 93 (I didn't get a computer until 99 - so I could be wrong about all of this) had mp3s even been invented? Was email even common in 93?

Rich people probably had computers hooked up to the internet - but they didn't have CD burners or the ability to download music. Hip hop was still something you had tondo your homework on to be in the know about.

Accessing the internet in 1993 was almost unheard of, and people sure as shyt weren't listening/downloading music at any kind of capacicty compared to the late 90s. I remember dial-up first catching on and it would take 30 min to download a song, and 2 minutes for a goddamn porn pic to load. Not to mention that a good computer set-up would run like $4K back in the 90s

 

[mobbinfms]

Accessing the internet in 1993 was almost unheard of, and people sure as shyt weren't listening/downloading music at any kind of capacicty compared to the late 90s. I remember dial-up first catching on and it would take 30 min to download a song, and 2 minutes for a goddamn porn pic to load. Not to mention that a good computer set-up would run like $4K back in the 90s

Exactly.

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

iono cuz now my stance is starting to lean the other direction....When you factor in the internet which wasn't big in the 90's how possible is it that maybe just maybe Dipset could've been more well known than superstars in the 90's...more well known than Wutang,more well known than Snoop Dogg.

I think maybe the question needs to become how irrelevant is "fame" in the 2000's compared to the 90's...its like its not even an incredible feat to be "known" no more....so its like what if Dipset was more "known" in the 2000's....how do you really compare that with dudes who were as known as a Wutang or Snoop in the 90's before the internet age,cable tv,mixtapes available to everybody age....word of mouth 90's famous is so much greater than being internet age famous it aint even funny

how can you compare nikkas knowin Ice-T's girls name back in the day,with Wiz Khalifa girl bein "known" now....its levels to this shyt,i refuse to give one credit over the other even if it is true Amber Rose is more "known" than Darlene was...You can call it denial,or call it me realizing just how irrelevant this argument is bcuz you can never convince me somebody whos " well known" in the internet age deserves more props then a nikka who was "kinda known" in the 90's...its levels

hate to sound like the "everything is better in the 90's" guy but im just bein honest

fam i'm agreeing with what you're saying

what's even more crazy is wu-tang is STILL more known than dipset RIGHT NOW

it started off is cam a superstar... not hoodstar.. it's the title of the thread.. IS CAM A SUPERSTAR

from our side (no he's not) it's like, he went plat 1 time in his whole career at the height.. and even dips at the height, their double cd went (edit: gold... didn't even go plat with sales counting twice)... and that's in the internet age

cam and dips ain't known worldwide on a global scale to do overseas tours.. they might get a show here and there but no actual international tour.. and shyt, they don't even get STADIUM tours in america... never even headlined a stadium tour.. none of them... ever... in the internet age

and yet wu-tang... years before that, was doing international stadium tours as headliners... selling multiplatinum as a group and had several other members go gold and plat...

people like to forget... 36 chambers was plat... wu-tang forever was 4 times plat (2 mil sold on a double)... the fukking The W album in 2000 went PLAT!! and iron flag in 2001 went gold.... they waited 7 years between that to drop 8 diagrams and that flopped with 200k sold...







so then nikkas tried to switch it up... talking how jim jones and juelz are stars too... well if you gonna break down the group... then meth, rza, rae, and ghost are stars... and sales, wu wins again... tours, movies, whatever... wu wins again



somewhere in all these losses (cause they still didn't want to just admit the L) it became... Oh it's only white people and asians and nobody in the hood listens to them and they don't come to my state... knowing damn well there's no type of stats to prove that either way...


it's a lost cause with these dudes

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

Accessing the internet in 1993 was almost unheard of, and people sure as shyt weren't listening/downloading music at any kind of capacicty compared to the late 90s. I remember dial-up first catching on and it would take 30 min to download a song, and 2 minutes for a goddamn porn pic to load. Not to mention that a good computer set-up would run like $4K back in the 90s

i know this to be true.. cause remember when wu-forever dropped and it was an "enhanced cd" with the little wu mansion you could click through????


that was fukking 97 and it was unheard of and half the nikkas alive and in the hood didn't have a computer to install it on, nor a powerful enough one to actually run the damn thing.. and i still remember how shytty that was

shyt i remember being the first person in high school with a cd burner and that was like 99.. took me 8 hours to download a whole cd and another hour to burn the shyt... 4x cd burner i bought from my boy's brother for $200

 

[Wacky D]

i know this to be true.. cause remember when wu-forever dropped and it was an "enhanced cd" with the little wu mansion you could click through????


that was fukking 97 and it was unheard of and half the nikkas alive and in the hood didn't have a computer to install it on, nor a powerful enough one to actually run the damn thing.. and i still remember how shytty that was

shyt i remember being the first person in high school with a cd burner and that was like 99.. took me 8 hours to download a whole cd and another hour to burn the shyt... 4x cd burner i bought from my boy's brother for $200

alot of people in the hood had computers by the time wu-tang forever was out. middle-class hoods at least. AOL was big business by then and they werent even the 2nd company to blow.

thats why i dont understand this internet-age argument that yall are pushing here, seeing that wutang was the biggest thing on the internet rap-wise back in those wu-forever days. they benefited from the pros of the internet and didnt have to deal with the cons(downloading). yet yall are acting like they were at some sort of disadvantage. no offense but this doesnt make sense.