Settle this debate for me. Was Cam'ron ever a superstar?

[SubLyminalz]

A 2013 Edition by a random ass DJ?


My nikka....Wu was popping back in 95 and because some loser decided to make a 2013 tribute to them means nothing


Who the hell are yall to try and tell somebody about their city and state?


I'm EVERYWHERE in Ohio. Cleveland, Dayton, Toledo, Warrensville, Maple, Garfield, Bedford, Euclid, Mayfield, Twinsburg, Akron, Columbus, East Cleveland, Shaker, Macedonia, Northfield, Bowling Green, Kent, Lorain, etc. I've never been to the Nati.....but them nikkas just like us I guarantee they wasnt fukking with no Wu Tang

same here im originally from Pittsburgh but spend a few years in Philly and nikkas in Pittsburgh didn't fukks wit wu as much as bone, no limit at its peak, cash money, ruff ryders, ect, most of the rust belt cities that being named are heavily west coast/southern influenced nikkas didn't care about wu Tang after triumph dropped

now when I lived in philly the wu had more love up there

 

[CashmereThoughts]

I know the Wu gets CRAZY love in Cali I couldn't believe it at paid dues

 

[Newzz]

same here im originally from Pittsburgh but spend a few years in Philly and nikkas in Pittsburgh didn't fukks wit wu as much as bone, no limit at its peak, cash money, ruff ryders, ect, most of the rust belt cities that being named are heavily west coast/southern influenced nikkas didn't care about wu Tang after triumph dropped

now when I lived in philly the wu had more love up there

People act like we lying though


I just dont see how somebody that has never spent more than maybe a day or two in your city, and especially not the hood, gonna tell you what was and what wasnt popping in your area


Like...how arrogant is THAT


What you posted is 100% right and Im sure some Detroit people are gonna come in here saying the same type of stuff you just said.....

 

[Techniec]

fukk no Can was never a superstar

But st his peak he was probably the hottest rapper in the streets-underground etc

 

[Art Barr]

by that logic, you can say that mos def & common sense are mega-stars.

you know damn well,...
nobody went to see terminator salvation to see common.
not to mention, mos and hitchhikers flopped.
you completely delussional and don't understand what the fukk you are talembout.
especially, to bring up com and mos as comparable to NAS or TI.
as it relates to being a superstar.
let alone, calling mos and com, megastars.
mos and com are not superstars or megastars.
stop fukking playing and just know you wrong, like fukk'n usual.


Art Barr

 

[10:31]

you really don't understand the drawing eras or what took place from the influence of the wu-tang clan.
just for simple starters further down the timeline...
the wu are responsible for ushering in the largest drawing marketing area for rap.
as the leo burnett voltron sprite ads, were all given light from a wu tang interlude.
helped usher rap and hiphop into a global pop phenomenon.
where it soon became the leading factor to market any and every product around the world.

that very wu-tang interlude predated the very ad campaign by three of the highest drawing years for any one group in rap history.
who were not bone, to run dmc.

your comments easily illustrate you don't know the actual culture or the businesses.
that surround hiphop that well.
as you don't understand the timeline.
plus, your comments reek of someone.
who was not at all cognitive to understand what occurred in the business.
nor, what profit building and change the wu tang clan single-handidly stimulated.



art barr

Radric's impact and infulence on the south and hip hop culture >

Much like Cams

 

[Wacky D]

nikka, NAS was the headliner at every show he no-showed in chicago alone.
during and after almost a full decade after illmatic.
so, what are you saying.
in o1, i was with the group who at the time were underbilled on the NAS card. When, he finally did show up, and cut it short because it was so horrible and he had a booty shake contest.
when, the group i was the roadie for before i was a stage act.
outshined NAS, and they were voted the best group in Chicago, previously and in xxl.
yet, and still nas packed houses in any venue as a headliner.
with the true stigma of being a no show.
the crowd either got a consolation, or no show.
when, common debuts bytch in too, to soothe the no show of NAS at depaul.
NAS, was the headliner over souls , AZ, scarface and common was not slated to perform at all.
it just so happens common took over hosting and performing duties.
to make up for the headliner nas's no show.
NAS, was the headliner over close to plat debut artist.
turned sellouts souls of mischief, who bottomed out at 750k.
back when few went plat, period.
when, illmatic suffered dismal sales by sales spike standards.
common was not even on the bill.
NAS headlined over AZ.
nas's higher selling contemporary, and scarface, as well.
a scarface, who was a multi-plat artist on numeprus projects at the time, easy.

so, what are you saying about NAS's drawing power.
stop trying to ask loaded bullshyt tongue in cheek questions, too.
all because you are fukking wrong.
plus, offkey about another era and making another appearance as the incorrect reoccurring jackass.


Art Barr

just be a man and take ya L.

you know dam well that headlining lil venues over the souls of mischief does not make you a superstar.

you know exactly what im talking about, but instead you want to dance around the topic while having to audacity.....THE AUDACITY to claim that im the one moving the goal posts.

 

[Art Barr]

same here im originally from Pittsburgh but spend a few years in Philly and nikkas in Pittsburgh didn't fukks wit wu as much as bone, no limit at its peak, cash money, ruff ryders, ect, most of the rust belt cities that being named are heavily west coast/southern influenced nikkas didn't care about wu Tang after triumph dropped

now when I lived in philly the wu had more love up there

you keep bringing up a wrinkle in time after the national marketing boom for rap was connected to Wu making relevency.
for ideas used in marketing campaigns to seize the day on making hiphop and rap a worldwide popular culture staple.
on top of groups who directly benefitted from wu's admin changes in the industry.
how are the Wu not superstars and directly was the catalyst for why those groups you listed got on and drew large returns.
Wu tang predates all those groups you listed by two cycles of business admin work in rap.
deathrow and Wu were both long burn draws.
that pioneered much more darker content on daytime radio for rap.
as cream, and deep cover simultaneously being long simmer and burn hits.
nine to ten months after their original release.
as, cream, they want efx, and deep cover were the original daytime staples of rap on the radio, in 1993.
you keep mentioning a cycle and era that occurred much later in the timeline.
where the Wu were befallen from a disaster to rza's equipment and stock pile of beats/productions and work.
which is why the Wu had a change sonically and in direction.
during the Gen you speak of.
when, their relevency waned from that situation.
regardless, Wu had already actualized a draw as superstars.
that predates the period in time you speak of.
plus, you were not cognitive about rap like that.
as you keep bringing up a period of time after the wu was already actualized, as superstars.




art Barr

 

[Wacky D]

was dipset popping... hell yea.. but at the very height of their fame, their leader did 1 plat at a time when his own label mate was doing 5 million...

their first album... which was a DOUBLE... went gold... which means it only sold 250k..

come on now... lets be serious here

your putting way too much stake into overseas stuff. and for the record, dipset big there too. they even had their mixtape guys doing shows overseas.

that double cd was HEAVILY bootlegged and expensive for its time. PERSPECTIVE.

who was doing 5 mil at rocafella? jay did that once in 1998. before camron got there, the only thing going plat on the roc was jay-z & tapes by dj clue. so to act like cam was some sort of under-seller for the label is ridic. the only other person that eventually went plat was kanye who doesnt even count. hes a str8 up crossover act.

and man, arent you the same bul that was in here saying that jim jones is a one-hit wonder and juelz had 0 hits? youre clearly posting with bias.

 

[Art Barr]

just be a man and take ya.

you know dam well that headlining lil venues of the souls of mischief does not make you a superstar.

you know exactly what im talking about, but instead you want to dance around the topic while having to audacity.....THE AUDACITY to claim that im the one moving the goal posts.

again, you keep trying to apply criteria that was not indicative of what a superstar was for that time.
which is why I know you don't know what you are talking about.
plus, exposes why you never know what you are talking about in your offbrand threads and content, as a consistently reoccurring theme.
as, you were not around or cognitive to know about what constituted a superstar for the rap industry at that time.
this thread is another definitive example of you really only know about the sales spike era commercially in rap.
you don't know about anything solidly in the rap industry at all.
the little bit of undunderstanding you do have is from the sale spike era.
of which, you have no real idea how that era came to exist.
which, has always been completely apparent to anyone.
who was welled in the business of rap, and culture of hiphop.



Art Barr

 

[KeysT]

So...is this settled or not?

 

[Black_Jesus]

Camron was NEVER a superstar.

 

[BrothaZay]

lol @ wu tang being superstars

dem nikkas werent even bigger than Lloyd Banks in his prime

 

[SubLyminalz]

you keep bringing up a wrinkle in time after the national marketing boom for rap was connected to Wu making relevency.
for ideas used in marketing campaigns to seize the day on making hiphop and rap a worldwide popular culture staple.
on top of groups who directly benefitted from wu's admin changes in the industry.
how are the Wu not superstars and directly was the catalyst for why those groups you listed got on and drew large returns.
Wu tang predates all those groups you listed by two cycles of business admin work in rap.
deathrow and Wu were both long burn draws.
that pioneered much more darker content on daytime radio for rap.
as cream, and deep cover simultaneously being long simmer and burn hits.
nine to ten months after their original release.
as, cream, they want efx, and deep cover were the original daytime staples of rap on the radio, in 1993.
you keep mentioning a cycle and era that occurred much later in the timeline.
where the Wu were befallen from a disaster to rza's equipment and stock pile of beats/productions and work.
which is why the Wu had a change sonically and in direction.
during the Gen you speak of.
when, their relevency waned from that situation.
regardless, Wu had already actualized a draw as superstars.
that predates the period in time you speak of.
plus, you were not cognitive about rap like that.
as you keep bringing up a period of time after the wu was already actualized, as superstars.




art Barr

I'm speaking of 97-98 and beyond that.

I know the wu was huge before that but after the wu forever dropped which was one of the biggest album releases in hip hop history and outside of supreme clientele the wu wasn't making noise like that where I was from.

again nobody is denying their impact

 

[Wild self]

Sales he was not a superstar. He had the mindset of one, though.