Since 1987, an astonishing 52 rappers have been murdered, with only a handful of them solved.

[kingofnyc]

That's an "opinion", not a "fact".

then how come i aint
never heard them on the radio
never seen them in a video
never read them in a interview

 

[Taadow]

then how come i aint
never heard them on the radio
never seen them in a video
never read them in a interview

You ain't ever heard Beethoven on the radio, seen him in a video, or read him in an interview either...
but that doesn't mean he didn't make "real" music, or wasn't "accomplished" - so what are you talmbat?

 

[Eastside Get The Money]

NOLA

Chi could have ran this list, them fools had like 52 last year

 

[Ethnic Cleansing]

@Ethnic Cleansing . . I challenge you to a ban bet debate thread . . you wanna put up or shut up?

I don't know u bro, fukk are you talkin bout

 

[Mac Casper]

I don't know u bro, fukk are you talkin bout

tread wisely, you're on thin ice

 

[kingofnyc]

You ain't ever heard Beethoven on the radio, seen him in a video, or read him in an interview either...
but that doesn't mean he didn't make "real" music, or wasn't "accomplished" - so what are you talmbat?

Beethoven been dead for damn near 200 years

BTW
i heard his music -they teach & play it in schools.
he has documentaries, books & a movie etc. etc. about him NONE of that shyt will happen to a couple clowns with paint on there face

 

[Mac Casper]

Beethoven been dead for damn near 200 years

BTW
i heard his music -they teach & play it in schools.
he has documentaries, books & a movie etc. etc. about him NONE of that shyt will happen to a couple clowns with paint on there face

This is a rare instance of me agreeing with a position you've taken

Cherish it

 

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

Not exactly, he wasnt always prolific..and he got his first platinum plaque after how many attempts??

Dude, made 6 albums in 5 years, countless of unreleased material that came out after he died, and did tons of movies and went to prison for a year in the middle of that.

And ALL of his records went platinum.

There are no non platinum 2pac records, dummy

Then they are...

That's an "opinion", not a "fact".

 

[Taadow]

Beethoven been dead for damn near 200 years

BTW
i heard his music -they teach & play it in schools.
he has documentaries, books & a movie etc. etc. about him NONE of that shyt will happen to a couple clowns with paint on there face

You're moving the goalposts...you still never saw an interview by him, heard him on the radio, or seen him in a video, now have you?

So that means "accomplished" has to mean something bigger than "kingofnyc never heard of it".

 

[Taadow]

Exactly.

 

[Amphibious]

You say "only a handful of them solved" like that's out of the norm.

Only 1/8 murders get solved.

 

[3rdCoast]

Well the government hates black people and rap so...

 

[kingofnyc]

You're moving the goalposts...you still never saw an interview by him, heard him on the radio, or seen him in a video, now have you?

So that means "accomplished" has to mean something bigger than "kingofnyc never heard of it".

seriously speaking are u crazy ???


moving the goal post?..... your example is a man who been dead since the early 1800's before any mag, video or radio! so of course i never saw an interview from him in those forms



for real ...... for real
do u seriously think 'insane clown posse' has accomplish more then biggie & pac ?

 

[Taadow]

seriously speaking are u crazy ???


moving the goal post?..... your example is a man who been dead since the early 1800's before any mag, video or radio! so of course i never saw an interview from him in those forms



for real ...... for real
do u seriously think 'insane clown posse' has accomplish more then biggie & pac ?

Yeah, you moved the goal posts. Your first goal post was ICP couldn't be "real music" because
you never heard 'em on the radio, saw 'em in a video, or read an interview of them. My point in bringin'
up Beethoven is that he is one of many people you never seen in that format either, so that's a dumb
reason for saying something isn't "real music".

And that sword cuts both ways. A person who listens to classical music all day could say the same
about any rapper as reason why they don't make "real music" - that doesn't make it true. It's just their opinion -
which is different from fact.

Do I seriously think ICP has accomplished more than Biggie & Pac?
How much have the accomplished?

Not Pac, but Biggie is arguable.
I noticed you left out Big L, who was in the first post of that point bringing them up.
They have definitely accomplished more than Big L.
That's not to say they are "better" than him, but they have more "accomplishments" than he does.

 

[kingofnyc]

Yeah, you moved the goal posts. Your first goal post was ICP couldn't be "real music" because
you never heard 'em on the radio, saw 'em in a video, or read an interview of them. My point in bringin'
up Beethoven is that he is one of many people you never seen in that format either, so that's a dumb
reason for saying something isn't "real music".

And that sword cuts both ways. A person who listens to classical music all day could say the same
about any rapper as reason why they don't make "real music" - that doesn't make it true. It's just their opinion -
which is different from fact.

i think i understand your confusion

when i stated 'real music' i meant in the terms of 'real hip hop music'

these dudes are nothing more then niche artist

Do I seriously think ICP has accomplished more than Biggie & Pac?
How much have the accomplished?

Not Pac, but Biggie is arguable.
I noticed you left out Big L, who was in the first post of that point bringing them up.
They have definitely accomplished more than Big L.
That's not to say they are "better" than him, but they have more "accomplishments" than he does.

im not even gonna waste time on your arguable sratement