So Puff Diddy isnt a record producer either....we knew?

[SteelCitySoldier]

I mean, as someone who can and does actually PRODUCE music, sometimes I find it offensive.

It’s not like say Quincy Jones who at one time played a musical instrument and arranged bands, etc.

In this case, it just means I was in the room and paid a lot of money for everyone else to be here.

He’s a goddamn glorified events manager basically. A host that invites artists to work with other artists.

nikkaz never realized he was just as big a snake as Suge but since he was #2 and Suge was #1 nobody ever paid attention to it. Everybody thought Puff was being bullied and he just shut the fukk up and let people continue to think it, that’s why he never wanted BIG to respond to the PAC shyt, everyone stays quiet and doesn’t feed into it he looks like the good guy who’s being bullied.

 

[trillanova]

If you look at the way Hitmaka/Young Berg produces, that's somewhat what Puff does, but not as involved as HM.

 

[JustCKing]

He called our puff because he knows Puff isn't a producer.
You've listed hiphop hits not global hits. Big difference.

I'll be missing you doesn't count. It's more like remake of a huge Sting track.

You know that's a lie. Why else would JD call out Puff if this wasn't a producer battle?

You really want to take it there with global hits. Those songs were big outside of Hip Hop. How doesn't "I'll Be Missing You" count?

 

[JustCKing]

Yet people like DJ Premier, Q-Tip, RZA, Pete Rock etc were perfectly capable of producing classics without someone overseeing production.

Sure they were. It takes nothing away from what Puff brings to the table though. Puff helped give artists a sound and you'd hardly see Puff on a GOAT producer list without it reading Puff Daddy & The Hitmen.

 

[JustCKing]

If you look at the way Hitmaka/Young Berg produces, that's somewhat what Puff does, but not as involved as HM.

Berg is more along the lines of Khaled.

 

[trillanova]

Berg is more along the lines of Khaled.

Khaled is not that involved. He's not directing vocalists. He's not telling rappers how to do their lines. He's just a compilationist.

Also, Khaled doesn't have a developed ear like HM or Diddy. His taste level is not anywhere near.

 

[winb83]

FINALLY it's starting to come out officially & via law suits that Puff didn't actually do anything in the studio and forced that exec producer / producer credit for a royalties cut + to give himself some musical pedigree.

Have seen one story so far.

We all knew right?

He is like the production version of Milli Vanilli....

I thought he was an executive producer. Just a production credit.

 

[JustCKing]

Khaled is not that involved. He's not directing vocalists. He's not telling rappers how to do their lines. He's just a compilationist.

Also, Khaled doesn't have a developed ear like HM or Diddy. His taste level is not anywhere near.

But he is. He brings in the artists and producers, tells them what kind of track he wants, and tells the artist what kond of energy to bring to the track. While I wouldn't put him on Diddy's level, he's in the same lane as Hitmaka except Khaled actually has made beats under Beat Novacane.

 

[trillanova]

But he is. He brings in the artists and producers, tells them what kind of track he wants, and tells the artist what kond of energy to bring to the track. While I wouldn't put him on Diddy's level, he's in the same lane as Hitmaka except Khaled actually has made beats under Beat Novacane.

I've seen HM producing live and he's more involved moment to moment with the development of the record in real time. Khaled is not doing that. He doesn't have the level of detail as each piece of the verse is recorded. I've seen Hitmaka lay down the track piece by piece until it's complete. Khaled is not having that much involvement, so no it's not the same.

 

[thephatmack]

You know that's a lie. Why else would JD call out Puff if this wasn't a producer battle?

You really want to take it there with global hits. Those songs were big outside of Hip Hop. How doesn't "I'll Be Missing You" count?

Because its basically a remake of I'll be watching you by Sting with different lyrics.





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[Shadow King]

Niqqas coming with technicalities for a genre largely based on self-driven resourcefulness both lyrically and musically.

Can you lock in a lab with Diddy for 3 weeks and emerge with an album? Yes or no?

 

[⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐]

Niqqas coming with technicalities for a genre largely based on self-driven resourcefulness both lyrically and musically.

Can you lock in a lab with Diddy for 3 weeks and emerge with an album? Yes or no?

Answer: Yes

 

[re'up]

People still don’t know what producing is in 2023-24?

It's way more than just making beats. If Puff has a stack of records playing in the studio and hears a section on a Al Green record that he thinks would be dope to sample, and he tells Nashiem to chop it and throw a reverse kick on it along with a low end bassline, and a snare with mad reverb. And then throws a concept at B.I.G. for what he can talk about on the record, and this record turns into "My Downfall", then that makes Puff a co-producer. If he's in the studio telling you how to sing sh*t and where to put certain hooks and which lyrics to keep and which to cut, that's production.

But if you're making beats at home and uploading them online, and some dude you don’t know comes an cops a couple tracks from your online store, and goes and makes a mixtape with them, and you don’t even know dude is using your sh*t, you didn't produce those records. You just made the beats. Production is about being involved with the creation of the actual record. Your input and involvement is what it's about. If you didn't have anything to do with the creation of the song, you ain't a producer on it.

exactly,. The Bad Boy sound, from the samples, to the arrangement of vocals, to the sequencing, to the content was very consistent for years, and Puff had more than just a small role in that. You can even see it in Mary J's early work. Usher first album. Jodeci early work.

Ready To Die
Total
Harlem World
No Way Out
Life After Death
Life Story
Money Power Respect
Keep The Faith
Keisha Pam and KIm
Emotional
Faith
Shyne
Child of the Ghetto

his fingerprints all over those albums. There is no Bad Boy sound without Puff.

 

[ShaDynasty]

In most genres the producer plays the role of managing the studio sessions and direction of the music, maybe with a role in the engineering/mixing etc.

In Hip Hop its more common that the producer just makes the beat, the rapper writes the song. As others said, in most cases people in Puff's position didn't bother taking a credit for producing individual songs (or adlibbing on every song for extra credit), they were executive producers like Steve Stoute and Trackmasters on IWW.

I still think he was a great producer in the 90s, he was the architect of the jiggy sound more than anyone, even if he didn't push any buttons.

Because its basically a remake of I'll be watching you by Sting with different lyrics.





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'Every Breath You Take'. I don't think that excludes it, a lot of songs are like that. Even with cover versions, the cover will often become the popular version of the song, which has basically happened with Missing You at this point.

 

[trillanova]

Niqqas coming with technicalities for a genre largely based on self-driven resourcefulness both lyrically and musically.

Can you lock in a lab with Diddy for 3 weeks and emerge with an album? Yes or no?

Great point.