So the last 7 games, Cam Newton has...

[HacksawJimThuggin]

Cam Newton (through 10 games)

58.6 comp %
2,932 passing yards
12 TD's
10 INT's
80.3 QB Rating



Austin Davis (through 9 games)

63.4 comp %
2,001 passing yards
12 TD's
9 INT's
85.1 QB Rating


Similar stats, yet one guy got benched, and the other guy has dudes caping for him.

Now please go ahead and humor me and tell me all about the amazing o-line, workhorse RB, difference maker WR weapons, and offensive coaching guru Austin Davis has been fortunate enough to be surrounded by. Great QB's make the players around them better. Cam has yet to do that. Stop making excuses for him.

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

Great QB's make their receivers better. Just look at Luck

 

[NYC Rebel]

That WR list looks like something Tom Brady has dealt with most of his career ...but then again he's the GOAT QB so...


Cam has a lot of problems he can't control...but he's not doing a good job of the things within his control.

Brady plays in one of the most efficient systems the NFL has seen the past 20 years. He historically is amongst the bottom half of qbs in the shortest yards in the air per passing attempt in the NFL. I don't get how his system doesn't supersede simply comparing receiving corps

 

[HacksawJimThuggin]

- below average o-line
- one-two punch in the backfield is injured, down to backup RB's
- only legit weapon is a rookie WR

Sounds almost identical to Cam's situation, no? Yet sorry ass Kyle Orton has 10 TD's and 3 INT's in 6 games, with a 93.5 QB rating. I don't wanna hear it. The guy just isn't getting it done.

 

[NYC Rebel]

- below average o-line
- one-two punch in the backfield is injured, down to backup RB's
- only legit weapon is a rookie WR

Sounds almost identical to Cam's situation, no? Yet sorry ass Kyle Orton has 10 TD's and 3 INT's in 6 games, with a 93.5 QB rating. I don't wanna hear it. The guy just isn't getting it done.

Football doesn't simply work that way, bro.

You're seriously dumbing shyt down to stats and name callings

Incredible how you can bring up Kyle Orton whose defense consistently gives him short fields to work with , but I'll be an AFC east watcher of football and watch you pretend you do.

Allergic to context ass niqqas

 

[Darts]

Brady plays in one of the most efficient systems the NFL has seen the past 20 years. He historically is amongst the bottom half of qbs in the shortest yards in the air per passing attempt in the NFL. I don't get how his system doesn't supersede simply comparing receiving corps

Tom Brady IS the "system". The "system" would not work without a QB with Brady's unique skill sets (precision passing, quick release, poise in the pocket, iq, reading defenses/audibles etc.)

 

[HacksawJimThuggin]

Football doesn't simply work that way, bro.

You're seriously dumbing shyt down to stats and name callings

Incredible how you can bring up Kyle Orton whose defense consistently gives him short fields to work with , but I'll be an AFC east watcher of football and watch you pretend you do.

Allergic to context ass niqqas

I'm a Fins fan, of course I watch a ton of AFC East football.

I get what you're saying, it goes both ways though. Just as Buffalo's D puts their offense is favorable positions, Orton isn't making the same dumb ass mental errors that Cam is, turning the ball over in his own side of the field and putting his defense right back on the field in their own territory.

But again, keep riding for the dude that has been terrible this year.

 

[NYC Rebel]

Tom Brady IS the "system". The "system" would not work without a QB with Brady's unique skill sets (precision passing, quick release, poise in the pocket, iq, reading defenses/audibles etc.)

Let's not move the goal post to this argument.

Tom himself said he's fortunate to be one of the few qbs that's had a chance to play in the same system his entire playing career. He saying he's that fortunate accounts for something, and doesn't change the fact that it's efficiency is tied to how long he's been in it as well as it's effectiveness

 

[LastEmperor2k2]

I'm looking at his regression this year after a hot start and it seems to coincide with frequent changes on the line.

And there's some sort of fault in tying the two??

Not at all, i`m just saying dude wasn't good in the first place Cosby.

 

[NYC Rebel]

I'm a Fins fan, of course I watch a ton of AFC East football.

I get what you're saying, it goes both ways though. Just as Buffalo's D puts their offense is favorable positions, Orton isn't making the same dumb ass mental errors that Cam is, turning the ball over in his own side of the field and putting his defense right back on the field in their own territory.

But again, keep riding for the dude that has been terrible this year.

What do you mean it goes both ways? It doesn't. Orton has a short field to play with routinely. The Bills lead the NFL in three and outs. Meanwhile, the Panthers D minus Hardy has
Taken a complete nose dive this year ALONG with their offensive short comings.

Get real. All situations aren't the same because you can say

Poor o line
Bad receivers

Football is not that simple

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

Cam Newton (through 10 games)

58.6 comp %
2,932 passing yards
12 TD's
10 INT's
80.3 QB Rating



Austin Davis (through 9 games)

63.4 comp %
2,001 passing yards
12 TD's
9 INT's
85.1 QB Rating


Similar stats, yet one guy got benched, and the other guy has dudes caping for him.

Now please go ahead and humor me and tell me all about the amazing o-line, workhorse RB, difference maker WR weapons, and offensive coaching guru Austin Davis has been fortunate enough to be surrounded by. Great QB's make the players around them better. Cam has yet to do that. Stop making excuses for him.

I shole wish CAM had Jake Long, that other pro bowler and Greg Robinson on his offensive line.....:

Andy Dalton has a similar QBR, yet he got a new deal....

And that comparison is too simple

 

[HacksawJimThuggin]

What do you mean it goes both ways? It doesn't. Orton has a short field to play with routinely. The Bills lead the NFL in three and outs. Meanwhile, the Panthers D minus Hardy has
Taken a complete nose dive this year ALONG with their offensive short comings.

Get real. All situations aren't the same because you can say

Poor o line
Bad receivers

Football is not that simple

So Cam turning the ball over as much as he has this season doesn't put his defense in compromising positions? You got it, man.

You keep harping on the Buffalo thing, but please tell me what was SO much better about Austin Davis' situation than Cam's that would explain their stats being similar yet Davis getting benched and no one batted an eye. Do the Rams have some kind of top secret QB coach or OC that I don't know about that had him putting up stats comparable to Cam's despite the talent around him being just as bad? Rams are 24th in scoring defense btw, so it's not like he's the beneficiary of the circumstances you attributed to Orton's success.

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

I'm glad you brought up Rodgers. Are you gonna act like A-Aron didn't have mad weapons at the reciever position

Are you gonna act like Mike McCarthy isn't one of the nfls best head coaches in terms of offensive design/playcalling?

Are you forgetting how good OC Tom Clements is

As key as coaching is, its irrelevant to most fans.....

Luck's biggest benefit to this day is that he had excellent coaching for 3 years in college, and ever since he got in the pros......

 

[HacksawJimThuggin]

I shole wish CAM had Jake Long, that other pro bowler and Greg Robinson on his offensive line.....:

Andy Dalton has a similar QBR, yet he got a new deal....

And that comparison is too simple

LMAO ask Rams fans how they feel about Jake Long. Dude was a turnstyle at LT and has been ever since his last season in Miami. Trust me.

You mean the same Greg Robinson that couldn't crack the starting lineup for the first 5 games and now is only taking over at LT because Jake Long got injured. THAT Greg Robinson? Okay.



All I see are excuses being made for Cam. I don't even understand the caping. He's played horribly. What's wrong with saying such and stating that he needs to be better? I don't get it.

 

[Darts]

Let's not move the goal post to this argument.

Tom himself said he's fortunate to be one of the few qbs that's had a chance to play in the same system his entire playing career. He saying he's that fortunate accounts for something, and doesn't change the fact that it's efficiency is tied to how long he's been in it as well as it's effectiveness

Brady's skills would've made him succeed in any system/team you put him in. The things I listed is what separates him from most QBs in history...can't teach most of that.

This 'system' thing is bullshyt btw. I mean after the 'air it out' Moss/ 5000 yds era, I thought we would be done with this "dink and dunk QB" narrative.