Sons of Rich Blacks Fare No Better than Working Class White Sons - but different finding for Women

[Indiglow Meta (R$G)]

No offense but some of these are black men fault instead of going to school to learn and further their future but no they wanna be on the street, be a rapper or do all the stupid stuff some of them even think working at the office is working for a white men. We have thread on here telling people if you work at the office you are not a man that is not a real man's job and how you should always be on your feet jobs like plumbing. You have black men celebrities marrying out giving their money back to white people. You have people encouraging people not to get marriage so more fatherless child in black community

This has absolutely nothing to do with:
what you're talking about.
the data.
poor immigrants in the irrelevant united kingdom.
This study was about American black men in the USA. Find another opportunity to bash black men, because you're mad about some "uk mandem" and have a hurting heart.
This is not about that or y'all.

 

[KingTut]

No offense but some of these are black men fault instead of going to school to learn and further their future but no they wanna be on the street, be a rapper or do all the stupid stuff some of them even think working at the office is working for a white men. We have thread on here telling people if you work at the office you are not a man that is not a real man's job and how you should always be on your feet jobs like plumbing. You have black men celebrities marrying out giving their money back to white people. You have people encouraging people not to get marriage so more fatherless child in black community

You have absolutely no idea what the fukk you are talking about and the bolded proves that. The median salary for a plumber is around 54k while the average office job salary is around 12-15/hr. Let's not even get started on how a black woman or gay black man has a much higher chance of being promoted within the white collar work force than a straight black man who has similar or better qualifications. There is statistical data to back this up and has been talked about here plenty of times.

And the majority of black male celebrities marry black women. You have no data to back up your claims, please exit this thread and go back to LSA or wherever you came from with your bullshyt claims that you pull out of your ass.

 

[Zak Bible]

Must read study, copy and pasting wont do the graphics justice.

Black boys raised in America, even in the wealthiest families and living in some of the most well-to-do neighborhoods, still earn less in adulthood than white boys with similar backgrounds, according to a sweeping new study that traced the lives of millions of children.

White boys who grow up rich are likely to remain that way. Black boys raised at the top, however, are more likely to become poor than to stay wealthy in their own adult households.

Most white boys raised in wealthy families will stay rich or upper middle class as adults, but black boys raised in similarly rich households will not.

Even when children grow up next to each other with parents who earn similar incomes, black boys fare worse than white boys in 99 percent of America. And the gaps only worsen in the kind of neighborhoods that promise low poverty and good schools.

According to the study, led by researchers at Stanford, Harvard and the Census Bureau, income inequality between blacks and whites is driven entirely by what is happening among these boys and the men they become. Black and white girls from families with comparable earnings attain similar individual incomes as adults.

“You would have thought at some point you escape the poverty trap,” said Nathaniel Hendren, a Harvard economist and an author of the study.

Black boys — even rich black boys — can seemingly never assume that.

The study, based on anonymous earnings and demographic data for virtually all Americans now in their late 30s, debunks a number of other widely held hypotheses about income inequality. Gaps persisted even when black and white boys grew up in families with the same income, similar family structures, similar education levels and even similar levels of accumulated wealth.

The disparities that remain also can’t be explained by differences in cognitive ability, an argument made by people who cite racial gaps in test scores that appear for both black boys and girls. If such inherent differences existed by race, “you’ve got to explain to me why these putative ability differences aren’t handicapping women,” said David Grusky, a Stanford sociologist who has reviewed the research.

A more likely possibility, the authors suggest, is that test scores don’t accurately measure the abilities of black children in the first place.

If this inequality can’t be explained by individual or household traits, much of what matters probably lies outside the home — in surrounding neighborhoods, in the economy and in a society that views black boys differently from white boys, and even from black girls.

“One of the most popular liberal post-racial ideas is the idea that the fundamental problem is class and not race, and clearly this study explodes that idea,” said Ibram Kendi, a professor and director of the Antiracist Research and Policy Center at American University. “But for whatever reason, we’re unwilling to stare racism in the face.”

The authors, including the Stanford economist Raj Chetty and two census researchers, Maggie R. Jones and Sonya R. Porter, tried to identify neighborhoods where poor black boys do well, and as well as whites.

“The problem,” Mr. Chetty said, “is that there are essentially no such neighborhoods in America.”

The few neighborhoods that met this standard were in areas that showed less discrimination in surveys and tests of racial bias. They mostly had low poverty rates. And, intriguingly, these pockets — including parts of the Maryland suburbs of Washington, and corners of Queens and the Bronx — were the places where many lower-income black children had fathers at home. Poor black boys did well in such places, whether their own fathers were present or not.

“That is a pathbreaking finding,” said William Julius Wilson, a Harvard sociologist whose books have chronicled the economic struggles of black men. “They’re not talking about the direct effects of a boy’s own parents’ marital status. They’re talking about the presence of fathers in a given census tract.”

Other fathers in the community can provide boys with role models and mentors, researchers say, and their presence may indicate other neighborhood factors that benefit families, like lower incarceration rates and better job opportunities.

The research makes clear that there is something unique about the obstacles black males face. The gap between Hispanics and whites is narrower, and their incomes will converge within a couple of generations if mobility stays the same. Asian-Americans earn more than whites raised at the same income level, or about the same when first-generation immigrants are excluded. Only Native Americans have an income gap comparable to African-Americans. But the disparities are widest for black boys.

Sons of Rich Black Families Fare No Better Than Sons of Working-Class Whites

This is lowkey not a fukkin story,

The Babylonian system was designed to benefit cacs.....besides our dikks are bigger and we’re not facing genetic annihilation

In the end we win and they know it

 

[NeilCartwright]

So what’s the solution? I chose the military officer route, and by the grace of Allah they make 6 figures. I try to put the other brehs I work with on in this stock game (to retire and live off the interest, after 15 yrs, and some are receptive and some are skeptical).

Even I go through some bullshyt with my white supervisors, then trying to slow my progress, make it harder for me to promote etc.

I want to get into mentoring young brehs once I transfer out of south Texas. Nothing but Mexicans here.

What can we do moving forward?

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

So what’s the solution? I chose the military officer route, and by the grace of Allah they make 6 figures. I try to put the other brehs I work with on in this stock game (to retire and live off the interest, after 15 yrs, and some are receptive and some are skeptical).

Even I go through some bullshyt with my white supervisors, then trying to slow my progress, make it harder for me to promote etc.

I want to get into mentoring young brehs once I transfer out of south Texas. Nothing but Mexicans here.

What can we do moving forward?

Well the big picture solution is a political movement that addresses the discrimination and achievement gaps

 

[Rekkapryde]

I'll say this, I can only be an effective mentor for a kid older than 15, that is already on the track for college (at least 3.0 gpa) and maybe comes from a bad situation and needs some guidance. These are the kids I can best share my experience and resources with.

I've mentored A LOT over the years and it's tough to mentor boys from 10-14 because their minds are all over the place and they're too young to really soak up the wisdom. Anything younger than 10 is babysitting to me and I don't have the personality for it. lol

I have FOUR nephews aged 7-12. When I keep them for the weekend I try to lace them with jewels but honestly the best influence is coming from their homes. I can't fix what they're being taught on a daily basis. The fact that my sister is a single mom who doesn't have her shyt together makes the task nearly impossible.

Now I'm trying to do this as a 34 year old, first generation college kid, making six figs and carving my own path in this world. shyt is a lot to take on.

Yeah man, I know you put in the work. But you do serve as an inspiration to those youngins. Try your best no to give up on them. The world will throw them away at the drop of a dime.

 

[#1 pick]

I agree. But it’s not because black Women are comparable to white Women, it’s because racially charged intersectionalities. That’s what made me laugh and even reply. I guess that guy was a troll.

To answer the thread..which I didn’t do in the first place.. my reasoning would be

• White men teach their sons about legacy. Their money is way longer than Black people’s because of you know..slavery and the fact black people were considered akin to cattle less than 200 years ago. Therefore they (white males) can afford to slack off because if daddy doesn’t save him, uncle, grandpa or cousin Neil will..at the very least they’ll know who can.
• Women do a Grade A job at infantilizing their sons while being harsh on their daughters. Fathers, however dote on their girls and instill fear into their boys. We don’t have fathers like that so there is no balance, the girls come out headstrong and hard working.. boys come out mentally feeble and with skewed views of the world. Usually finding comfort in meaningless things like attention, sex, and respect from other lost male peers.

- Black men do talk about legacy religiously. There is a difference between being a desendant of slaves which has critical impact on BM-BW relationships to this day.

- In a capitalistic where the government reward single motherhood, what could be expected when you simply lack the collective resources. I do not think some BW pamper their sons but some always have. Their loyal to a fault. Boys don't question anything.

- People especially Black women put too much into

 

[#1 pick]

Agree on the first point. I disagree on the second and third. There are many other racial and ethnic groups that treat girls and boys different and they are not suffering as bad as black men in this country. I also think the black men are mentally weak argument is lazy and disrespectful because of what it implies

And realize that you’re on the west coast where y’all love mixing ma
The “all black men” date out argument is tired and wrong. The black actors/atheletes you name are a statistically irrelevant cohort and even so the majority of black athletes and actors have black wives, just like the majority of black men. This can be verified by several statistics.

I swear everytime I hear this argument it’s from someone from the west coast

It's crazy, in that region, I been to it multiple times and i never saw a Black couple younger than 35 other than mines. My wife went to school on the west coast and she said, even though some like Black women, most brehs date out there.

All of the dudes I knew from there dated BW but most of them had light skin dime pieces looking like Lauren London.

 

[#1 pick]

to the bolded. I didn’t think anybody that posts here would know what this meant. Kudos to you. You are absolutely right. A matriarch means women rule, your last name is your mother’s, your sister is more important than you and is seen as the family’s successor, your wife’s values and tradition become your own. nikkas don’t even be trying, just throwing and seeing what sticks.

As to the rest, pertaining to what? I do know majority of black male’s issues are a direct result of the white man.. not us, but a lot of our issues are a direct result of both of y’all. Nobody makes y’all beat us, rape us, and pimp us at alarming rates. You fear the white man will take you away, we fear YOU will take us away. We don’t kill y’all like y’all kill us, and anybody that wants to bring up abortion I will bring up common sense that says MOST women don’t want to abort, a mixture of the male’s influence and knowing you can’t provide weigh the decision. Out of ALL the women I know who have had abortions...over 15 in my personal life including family.. ONE ..that’s right ONE uses it as a form of birth control. My ratchet 2nd cousin. Idk about y’all’s case studies.

The black woman is the best thing y’all got going for y’all. We rally. We donate. Even when y’all don’t do it for yourselves. LSA is not a good indicator of what black women think no more than the Coli is a good indicator of what black men think. If all black men in real life thought no p*ssy like new p*ssy, GMB, and PAWG life I’m sure there would be no Obama’s, Johnson’s, or Howroyd’s. It’s for play play

You know the data disagrees with you. I know running amok on BM is the popular thing to do but most BM aren't doing you wrong anymore than BW doing BM wrong. Hurt people, hurt people.

 

[#1 pick]

Not gonna lie, this article kinda has me down.

I'm a stats person and these overwhelming statistics seem impossible to surmount (and no other demographic is expected to do so).

I totally understand why some brehs say fukk it and just chill and smoke their problems away. What's the point?

Also, why the fukk isn't this thread upped?!?!?

Not sure why it would have you down?

 

[#1 pick]

How did you type that sentence in red as a BW ? Black men have never been systematically oppressed?

The subject of my post was about the racist rhetoric of a site comprised of a majority of BW and how it angers black feminists when the truth was revealed about how white people work harder to keep BM down than BW. You've erected a straw-man argument.

And you claiming not to know that much about LSA is You sound just like those women on the site.

Shameful

 

[#1 pick]

Glad you say that. I will never fault a dude for not finding me attractive. It bruises the ego but you can't force attraction.

Athletes never attracted me and I am sure I don't attract any of them. But there are plenty of endearing men outside of athletes so why is the conversation always athletes and everyone else.

As a former athlete, I was never one of those ride the wave type of dudes. That said, attraction is a tough cookie. I know good women who due to their standards and attraction level have a hard time at all. Its not as crazy as it sounds.

 

[Off the Onion]

as an immigrant, it’s the American “can do” spirit. That is real. The problem is when you’re so beaten down, you’re not going to see the bigger picture.

What is the bigger picture to as an immagrant?

 

[Mr Hate Coffee]

Not sure why it would have you down?

Because things are not going to get better and it's a lot to overcome. I watched the Yvette and Tone videos. Yvette made a good point. Labor is going to be a thing of the past. Using labor to turn into to income with hopes of it turning into wealth is an archaic way of thinking. Essentially because my family doesn't have much, I was planning to turn my good ass job into wealth for my descendents. I still plan to do it but the reality of the situation is a bummer.

 

[BigMan]

It's crazy, in that region, I been to it multiple times and i never saw a Black couple younger than 35 other than mines. My wife went to school on the west coast and she said, even though some like Black women, most brehs date out there.

All of the dudes I knew from there dated BW but most of them had light skin dime pieces looking like Lauren London.

lol i don't want to hear shyt from people from Canada, UK, or the West Coast when it comes to black relationshipsunfortunately their views are skewed.

guess where most black people live

Intermarriage across the U.S. by metro area

if you sort this table by race
30% of married blacks in LA metro are in an interracial marriage which is TWICE the amount for DC and NYC (16% and 15% respectively which is only slightly above the average)