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fukking hell.... this is why i come to the Coli. Just a simple letter change, from 'l' to 'c' and I'm slumped. In all my years listening to Slum Village, I never even imagined that.
Sooo...fans are about to hit Elzhi with a lawsuit for taking their money
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fukking hell.... this is why i come to the Coli. Just a simple letter change, from 'l' to 'c' and I'm slumped. In all my years listening to Slum Village, I never even imagined that.
Rocky has the hardest beats out. fukk outta here. "Pretty Flacko", "Bass" and "Brand New Guy" aren't hard? Cmon
There's nothing remotely pedestrian about Rocky's flow.
If you think creativity in itself is overrated, then you're not someone who's capable of knowing what's pedestrian or not.
That statement doesnt even make sense because innovative people are very good. That's why you know them as innovative. They take 'good' to another, unique level.
Terrible example, and Rocky doesn't do that. And if you think Rocky does that, you're not paying attention. Why don't you try that criticism again but use an actual example of something Rocky actually does?
Creative people at their best communicate a lot of meaning/emotion/passion while doing something unique.
I agree with that. Never said he wasn't.
In terms of speed, yes. Which is where underground nerds fall for the trick every time. They think if someone's rapping fast then he's automatically a real emceeFalling for the Fu-Shnickens trick every time.
But in every other category... putting your emotion/personality into your delivery, picking interesting beats and having a vision for them, Rocky slaughters Elzhi. It's not even close.
No. Nas is a great lyricist. Jeru the Damaja is a lower-tier but great lyricist. Elzhi is nowhere to either of these nikkas.
True. But he's also monotone and lacks personality/emotion. Personality/emotion are THE most important aspects of delivery. Only squares can tolerate nikkas with no personality. Regular folk and especially artists/passionate people can't tolerate that shyt.
Which is why Rocky's where he is, and Elzhi is way below him in popularity. Despite the fact that both make underground rap (Rocky's a little more mainstream but not as much as you think).
He's not perfecting shyt. Nas, Kool G Rap, Kane, etc already perfected that stuff.
He's just a wannabe. That's 3rd grade shyt. I don't give out prizes for wannabes. If you're gonna rap, bring something new to the table or get the fukk outta my face.
You're the one giving dudes props for just showing up in the 'real hip hop' category.
1) None of those beats are the hardest anything. You "GTFOH"
2) Rocky's flow is very pedestrian and there's nothing special about it.
3) My example wasn't something Rocky does, genius. My example was about creativity itself. Doing something new is not automatically good because it's never been done before. Being creative does not make you good. Saying "creative people are very good" is an empty comment. Creative people are very good when they create something that is worthwhile. Creating something for the sake of being new and different isn't "very good" it's quite the opposite. Not to mention, Rocky doesn't do anything new or special. He tried to infuse Houston rap with NY rap. He released a decent debut album and a weak follow up.
4) What the hell are you talking about? Elzhi doesn't even rap fast. He raps at a pretty regular speed on most tracks. He would rap circles around Rocky because he has far better rhyming ability in literally every category (Flow, delivery, cadence, lyricism, believability)
5) Elzhi is a tick below Nas because Nas a more descriptive lyricist and he creates very vivid imagery with his rhymes, probably better than anyone ever has. Elzhi is a better rapper than Jeru, pretty handily too. Jeru was an excellent MC, but he lacked energy, flow wasn't as sharp as Elzhi and lyrically he's 2 steps behind.
6) I do agree that Elzhi lacks emotion. That is a fault he has. LOL @ only squares can tolerate lack of emotion though. Okay cool, guy.
7) He perfected multi-syllabic rhyming. Just because others have too doesn't mean he didn't as well.
8) Rocky's popularity don't got shyt to do with who can rap better so that's irrelevant to me. Save that shyt for some bytches who care about the goofy shyt
9) I'm giving him props because he's a great MC.
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Brooklyn the planet...
Yea first off on no planet or time stream is ASAP Rocky better then Elzhi. fukk all that "vision" all that extra bullshyt, in terms of rapping, spitting rhymes, verses, word play whatever, Elzhi is top 5.
Second: I didn't donate, I was going to but never got around to. Glad I didn't. I dunno what's up with duke. He and black milk could be like Murs and 9th or Freddie Gibbs and Madlib or Buckshot and 9th. Like wtf. He dropped a single like 4 years ago after elmatic and haven't heard from son since. I'm lying my bad he had a verse on Diamond D joint and something with Fashawn.
Third: people talk all this business shyt and all that. As a musician myself, label politics, crappy mangers, having to pay these corny bloggers and shady DJs to play your shyt is tiresome. Unless you already got name or someone backing you, everyone trying to get paid instead of trying to play some hot music. Sometimes nikkas just wanna rhyme
Second: I didn't donate, I was going to but never got around to. Glad I didn't. I dunno what's up with duke. He and black milk could be like Murs and 9th or Freddie Gibbs and Madlib or Buckshot and 9th. Like wtf. He dropped a single like 4 years ago after elmatic and haven't heard from son since. I'm lying my bad he had a verse on Diamond D joint and something with Fashawn.
Third: people talk all this business shyt and all that. As a musician myself, label politics, crappy mangers, having to pay these corny bloggers and shady DJs to play your shyt is tiresome. Unless you already got name or someone backing you, everyone trying to get paid instead of trying to play some hot music. Sometimes nikkas just wanna rhyme
that's a damn shame dude.. Elzhi is fukking sick, Elmatic was FLAMES
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That sienna hills joint came on when I was running and got me psyched up tonight. That loop that plays during the chorus is
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Morbid view. Elzhi is legitimately dope. For any era. And I remember the 90s like yesterday.That's just not true. I love tons of rappers. I'm just very selective about who I listen to post 2005-ish. Because I grew up in a different era. When you witness dudes like Nas drop "Nas Is Like" or even Busta with "Gimme Some Mo", then tell me Elzhi is incredible, it's likeThe bar for quality is so low it's unbelievable.
No disrespect. I'm not saying he's absolute garbage. He's just easy to ignore.
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The nikka is just weird to me. He likes almost nothing even from 90s artists unless its just as good as their shyt from the era. Yet somehow he's this huge fan of Asap Rocky. And he comes off like he likes literally NOTHING else. Some of that nikkas opinions would have even stuck in the 90s nikkas like
. Like this dude legitimately said that Asap Rocky is a better RAPPER than Elzhi. I mean god damn. What a terrible opinion. Yet wants to be all extra critical of everybody else.
name 3 examples of harder tracks. Gotta be new school. From 2011 to present.
Don't repeat yourself or you go into parrot status.
Pedestrian implies "typical". "usual". Which is silly as fukk to me considering that Rocky was rapping on weird ass niche shyt, so obviously his flow can't be pedestrian or else he wouldn't fit on the beat. We all know the generic turn-up flow that nikkas do. That's pedestrian. Give an example of 'Rocky pedestrian cliche' flow anywhere on the great Live.Love.ASAP tracks. Then show how someone else in the new school prior to him uses similar or exact flow.
Thank you.
We're talking about Rocky, period. Use examples related to what he actually does, not some space bullshyt you pull out your ass.
Music/film and artistic works thrive on people doing new shyt. Hip hop especially is about being fresh, period.
You saying Rocky didn't do anything new or special is
In the last 5-10 years, have you seen an album artist come out the gate outta nowhere with no cosigns and become one of the top rappers based on their very first mixtape? And are still relevant 4 years later? You really think he did that without releasing any special music on his mixtape? What planet are you on?
Elzhi raps a tad faster than your average emcee imo. Not super fast obviously. And more importantly, he barely takes pauses. Nerds love that bar-after-bar relentless shyt.
Listen to this:
LOL at Elzhi having a better delivery than Rocky. How's that possible when Rocky has way more charisma and personality than him?
WHEN THE EAST IS IN THE HOUSE
Wake me up when someone decides to sample an Elzhi line. Saying Jeru lacked energy, especially on his first two albums, is ludicrous.
Then you're NOT gonna have a better flow than people who actually have emotion. Personality/emotion is HUGE in hip hop. It's the biggest part of what we call "flow". Even stoic cats like Rakim and Nas have a ton of personality. It's a different kind of personality but it's personality nonetheless. Instead of beating you over the head with emotion like a DMX/KRS, they hit you with that stoic, observant godlike aura.
Elzhi has none of this. and until he finds some personality, Rocky will outflow him every time.
a) what does that even mean
and b) do you have receipts?
This is the thing about you: you just toss out statements like this and don't elaborate. I'm looking at you like
On planet Earth, Rocky has a mixtape that will go down in history. and is a quality of work higher than anything Elzhi has ever released solo. BY FAR.
Rocky is still relevant and has people anticipating his projects. Elzhi is begging people for money to do albums and is now on the run from cacs
Yet Elzhi is somehow better, and top 5 (top 5 what? Oh that's right - you just tossed that out there with no real thought).
But you found time to back him up in an e-debate? Y'all kill me. You're not even fans of the people you claim to be fans of. Top 5 dude rapping, and you couldn't find a dollar and 1 minute to give him?
I've read enough.
The nikka is just weird to me. He likes almost nothing even from 90s artists unless its just as good as their shyt from the era. Yet somehow he's this huge fan of Asap Rocky. And he comes off like he likes literally NOTHING else. Some of that nikkas opinions would have even stuck in the 90s nikkas like
How is that a terrible opinion? I have given receipt after receipt to demonstrate why Rocky is a better rapper than Elzhi.
Meanwhile, you guys just post gifs and say 'terrible opinion' but never elaborate. And I'm the one that doesn't know shyt?
This is the problem with hip hop. Fake ass, fake-deep "real hip hop" fans who like music based off name recognition, branding and association instead of analyzing the music for what it is. Ironically, they're dikkriders in the same way that pop casual fans dikkride.
I'm the only one in this debate posting receipts. naming specific tracks. From BOTH dudes catalogs. And good examples of what people consider their best or memorable shyt.
Y'all don't even know Rocky's catalog, what fans consider to be his best shyt and why... You just saw a dress on 106 and Park and thought: 'he can't rap! He's not using lots of multis'
And you of all people should know better. I checked your ass in the Nas thread and caught you slippin numerous times when we were debating Alchemist. Here you were debating Alchemist and giving him credit for tracks he didn't do
And I had to correct you a number of times in that debate.yet again, I have the terrible opinion.
