Stephen Curry vs Magic Johnson

[KOBE]

How are you going to use Hollinger's pace, then later on use Basketball reference for the Bulls pace? I mean, to find the Bulls pace from previous seasons you had to be on there to begin with, but you just said fukk it when it came to the Warriors because it didn't fit the argument.

They're only slightly different, Warriors would still have a higher pace than the Jordan Bulls teams. I never used Hollinger because it only goes back to the early 2000's, nice try trying to deflect and try to make the argument when invalid when I proved your pace related shyt was all bullshyt.

Your whole argument is centered around the fact I called Jordan "great" and now you're trying to run that into some other shyt, cot damn. Also, why are you talking about 87-88 and 92-93? @Miami316 and I were talking about Jordan in 86-87, which was his highest scoring season, their were more possessions in the game, period. And then you come in with all these other side arguments centered on some forced shyt? I could easily point out that Curry is playing 6mpg less than Jordan in all those seasons you keep talking about.

Nah my whole argument was that you tried to use pace as a reason to why Jordan was able to score so much when in reality his offense was slower than a lot of offenses today.

And there was not more possessions in the games Bulls played. Again youre making shyt up, pace accounts for the amount of possessions in a game, by attempting to suggest that Jordan scored as much as he did because of pace would be the same as suggesting Warriors defense is garbage because they up a lot of points. You're ignoring facts, bulls did not have more possessions back than because they played at a slower pace.

And the worst part about this is that in this very same thread, I said look at Wade, Westbrook & LeBron as an example of how Jordan would be (You know guys who don't shoot a ton of threes or particularity well), but you so pressed to argue you've got it in your mind that I said he wouldn't dominate cause he can't shoot threes

That's fair and I'm fine with being wrong in what you were implying. Doesn't mean any of the shyt you've said about pace is correct nor the stuff about more possessions.

 

[Sean312]

if magic was on gs today they would break the bulls records.
him and draymond

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

I'm saying you're largely crediting Curry when I'd largely credit the schemes. Curry attracts the opposition and he's the reason the system works, but he's nowhere near the playmaker Magic was or is.

The problem with this is you're looking at it from a standard perspective of how a PG runs a team - Curry doesn't always survey the floor WITH the ball in hand to break down the defense. That's why the offense is what it is, because Curry doesn't just operate as the immediate ballhandler off PnRs and ISOs, but he gives the ball up and weaves through the halfcourt; warping the defense as they have to account for him leaving his matchup behind - therefore overhelping and leaving their man unguarded - once Curry regains the ball out on the perimeter, there's broken defensive assignments everywhere on the court. Which allows him to either run a secondary set from or freelance.

Their offense wouldn't be nearly as good if he dominated the ball and looked to run a typical offense.

Magic also did it with any coach or anyone and wasn't exactly playing off the ball a lot so talking about the looks he opens up off the ball is silly.

It's not silly, it's another dimension that Curry adds to the offense. Stop pigeonholing how a PG generates points.

And he damn well could average 15 assists because he would draw defenders. If you're doubling someone in the post you're usually bringing them out of the perimeter, so who will they leave open? Whoever it is will immediately be open for a three. The same kind of looks would be generated, the floor just wouldn't be spread quite as much and the paint wouldn't be as free. Not to mention Magic was creative in getting the ball to the open guy in the paint anyways.

It doesn't work like that.

The Warriors run an Iba-based system, with triangle principles - it goes directly against the nature of the offense - which is to move the ball. A player that dominates the ball (like Magic did) wouldn't work, because it goes against the laws of their offense. The same kind of looks would NOT be created, by Magic working in the post. It would kill ball movement, misdirection plays, spacing and all the off-screen plays which make the Warriors offense what it is. For you to even suggest Magic would average 15 assists, with Draymond, Iggy, Livingston on the team is insane in itself. Absolutely no awareness of personnel, scheme, functionality, touches, better defensive players and systems.

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Curry's team is not better than Magic's in terms of pure talent, but they sure the hell are better if you want "pure" assists

I've never heard such nonsense in my life.

The whole offense these days is to the benefit of creating plays for others and moving the ball. Magic could average 15 assists because he would not struggle getting the ball to the open three point shooter or finding the cutter in the lane or really anything else. It is easier to create open shots for players from the post, more than even than the perimeter. The entire triangle is about to working it into the post so that the player can be doubled and find the open man.

I think it might be time for you to start watching more tape.

The Warriors offense wouldn't be as great as it is, if one player just dominated the ball, while other stood around the perimeter waiting for him to get doubled for him to get an assist. That's some 80s ABC 123 basic ass shyt. It's comical you think that Magic running the offense from the post over and over would be just as effective as all the shyt the Warriors currently do with all the player and ball movement. It's similar to saying Westbrook would average 10+ assists on that squad, in place of Curry - completely ignoring the fact that the offense wouldn't be as effective as it is.

Curry could easily average double digits for the Warriors, he doesn't because he does what's best for the offense.

 

[G.O.A.T Squad Spokesman]

Steph literally does 1 thing on offense

comes off of screens and shoots a 3

Magic could do everything on Offense
and he was great on D

Negged.

 

[DetroitEWarren]

So if zone defense is so hard how is 3 point shooting and points in the point up?

Try googling some shyt nikka. shyt was down tremendously at first. Now players have adjusted, and are still getting monster individual numbers. Even back when the rules first chanhed, Thru Jordan, Magic, and Bird; Mike was still the ONLY nikka living over 30ppg, (the nikka literally lived there ) U had Nique, Hakeem, Robinson, Barkley, Malone, etc all around 23-28ppg in their peak years.Thru the years, the only nikkas to hit 30ppg were Lebron twice, Wade once, Durant once or twice, T Mac once or twice, AI 3 times I think, Nique 3 times Kobe twice, etc. Scoring averages aren't even all the way back how it was back then.

 

[Juggalo Fred]

Try googling some shyt nikka. shyt was down tremendously at first. Now players have adjusted, and are still getting monster individual numbers. Even back when the rules first chanhed, Thru Jordan, Magic, and Bird; Mike was still the ONLY nikka living over 30ppg, (the nikka literally lived there ) U had Nique, Hakeem, Robinson, Barkley, Malone, etc all around 23-28ppg in their peak years.Thru the years, the only nikkas to hit 30ppg were Lebron twice, Wade once, Durant once or twice, T Mac once or twice, AI 3 times I think, Nique 3 times Kobe twice, etc. Scoring averages aren't even all the way back how it was back then.

Malone averaged 31 once

 

[JP_614]

Magic

 

[Biscayne]

People should look at the rules that players played under during their careers before looking at that ridiculous efficiency nonsense. The NBA instituted that freedom of movement stuff a decade or so back to raise scoring in the league. Can you imagine Michael Jordan playing in a league where he could go anywhere on the floor that he wanted without being touched? Jordan would have averaged 50 a game.

By proxy. wouldn't that make players from this current era more defensively sound than players in the past? If all the rules of today are tailored for high-scoring and easy offense, than that'd make anyone in todays game with an all-defense selection better than past players defensively. Alot of players in todays game who are solid defenders, but with no all-defense selections, would jump up a notch defensively under 90's rules. Hell, could you imagine how much better a currently heralded defender like Kawhi would be under those 90's rules?

 

[Biscayne]

Magic was similar to Lebron on offense except he was an even better free throw shooter (not as much range as Lebron though). Folks say magic couldn't shoot but that isn't true. Dude was a great set shooter and could kill dudes in the post.

Magic would make the shyt Draymond does on offense look like child's play. Could you imagine Magic playing point center in this league as he did at times with the Lakers.

I gotta agree. In today's era of small-ball, Magic's game would still thrive today.

 

[Biscayne]

I agree with the logic behind this, but I think wade is a gross understatement of his powers... He was taller and more athletic, not to mention a better shooter and passer... Is it a stretch to say he would have averaged 35 8 and 8 on 52 percent?

I don't think that's a stretch. I could see prime Jordan avg that in today's NBA.

 

[GunRanger]

thibs coached in the '90s for one of the best defensive teams (knicks) and said defenses and offenses today are far more complex. (on simmons podcast)


just watch games from the '80s and the defense they played is




rondo really is magic in this era


the days of pound the ball to run the offense PGs are over

 

[Long Live The Mamba]

Steph literally does 1 thing on offense

comes off of screens and shoots a 3

Magic could do everything on Offense
and he was great on D

x1000 Congratulations you earned this -10

 

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Next coli thread:

Who was better between January 8th and January 17th? Kobe Bryant or Andrew Wiggins. I'm not talking about careers....


This board is getting dumb as fukk

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Next coli thread:

Who was better between January 8th and January 17th? Kobe Bryant or Andrew Wiggins. I'm not talking about careers....


This board is getting dumb as fukk

The level of stupidity in your posts.

 

[Remote]

The level of stupidity in your posts.

Not as low as the level of stupidity of your posts.
Although the mental gymnastics you run through to justify your nonsense is impressive.

Almost as impressive as the hard-on you have to quote me at every turn.
Back up off me. Even ex-girlfriends don't stalk my posts as much as you do