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Stephen Curry vs Magic Johnson
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I think MJ peaked at 62.5% for his true shooting percentage. Curry was at 70% last I saw
Jordan played under completely different defensive rules than Curry is playing under right now. Jordan played in an era when you could hand check a player and get as physical with them as you needed to get to stop them from scoring. Curry doesn't play under those rules.
NBA.com: Rules changes have freed shooters, allowed offenses to soar
Also the NBA changed more rules to back in 2008 to help jump shot shooters. It was designed to help a bunch of European players who were too soft to play in the lane and under the rim. Curry, Kobe, Lebron and others have benefited from the changes. Jordan didn't play under these new rule, which makes Jordan's numbers even more ridiculous.
Rules changes have freed shooters, allowed offenses to soar
By John Hareas, NBA.com
Posted Apr 10 2009 1:44PM
NBA.com: One of the fundamental criticisms of the NBA was that there was too much isolation. What did the league do to address those concerns and improve the overall game?
Stu Jackson: In the late '90s and the beginning of the decade, the game had become too focused on isolation play, while other players stood around under the old illegal defense guidelines. The game had also gotten too physical and too slow. A special committee of basketball experts was formed in the early part of the decade to study the game and make recommendations as to how to make it more exciting to watch. In 2001, that committee made a rules package recommendation to the Board of Governors, which was ultimately passed for implementation during the 2001-02 season. The Board voted to eliminate our old illegal defense guidelines, to implement a new defensive three-second call, reduce the time allowable to get the ball across half-court from 10 seconds to eight seconds, and allow less contact. All changes were passed with the idea of trying to encourage more free flowing five-man offenses, open up the lanes for cutting and passing and speed up the game by encouraging teams to get into their offenses quicker.
NBA.com: Since the hand-checking rule was interpreted differently beginning in the 2004-05 season, the game has opened up. Players are penetrating and the floor is spread. As a result, scoring has risen every season. Was this anticipated back in 2004?
SJ: No. The scoring increase was not our goal. Our objective was to allow for more offensive freedom by not allowing defenders to hand-, forearm- or body-check ball handlers. By doing so, we encouraged more dribble penetration. As players penetrated more, it produced higher quality shots for the ball handler as well as shots for teammates on passes back out to perimeter. When NBA players get higher quality shots -- having more time to shoot -- they tend to make more of them.
NBA.com: Shooting percentages have risen since 2004-05 regardless of location -- at-the-rim shots, short- and deep-mid range and 3-pointers. Does this surprise you, especially the higher percentages from 3-point range?
SJ: It doesn't. With the rule and interpretation changes, it has become more difficult for defenders to defend penetration, cover the entire floor on defensive rotations and recover to shooters. This has provided more time for shooters to ready themselves for quality shots. With more dribble penetration, ball handlers are getting more opportunities at the rim. Additionally, teams now realize the 3-point shot is a great competitive equalizer, so they are taking more; they have improved their skill level on threes and are making them at a higher rate.
NBA.com: The number of 3-point attempts has risen since the 2004-05 season, more so than the mid-range shots. Is this a positive development?
SJ: It depends on your perspective. We feel the 3-point shot has been an exciting play for our game and has put a premium on having skill players with an all-around game.
NBA.com: Doesn't the wide-open style benefit certain types of players? For example, wing players vs. frontcourt players?
SJ: The benefits of an open game are not limited to just perimeter players. An open game can benefit a post player as well. Remember, if the players are spaced wider and using more of the court, then defenses have to play those players closely because they're good shooters. The style actually serves to open up the middle of the floor. If a team has an effective post player, he would have more room to operate in the post.
NBA.com: From an Xs and Os perspective, how have coaches adjusted to a more wide-open game? What have they done differently?
SJ: Coaches have utilized more space on the floor so to create more room for dribble penetration, two-man pick-and-roll basketball and dribble exchanges on the perimeter. But to do that, they have attempted to place the right personnel on the floor -- more shooters and ball handlers that require defenses to play those players on the perimeter.
NBA.com: Rules changes have affected defensive philosophies
Can't compare different generations
onelastdeath
Banned
Here we go.
Jordan also played in an era with illegal D. Which means he could call Isos whenever he wanted.
Zones are way more effective than Handchecking, which is why most stars hate it/hated it.
It is essentially tackle football versus flag football. Which do you think is tougher?
onelastdeath
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Get the fukk outta here
They don't play defense like this anymore.
Another thing that the NBA did was move in the 3 point line a couple of decades back.
The shortened 3 point line
They moved the line in for three seasons, then moved it back out after teams started chucking threes and it became too easy of a shot. The years the line was in were also the years Jordan hit the most threes of his career.
NBA defenses today are far more complex, instead of just watching highlights watch actual games from those time periods.
mastermind
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have you watched the NBA since 1995?
Mantis Toboggan M.D.
I’m here for the scraps
The cavalry has arrived
More complex as in they allow teams to play zone now? There were no zones played in the time of Jordan. That rule change was to allow unathletic players a chance to play in the league.
Did you watch the NBA before 1995? Because if you did you would know how rule changes have impacted the way the game is played.
No, you were not allowed to play zone defense prior to 2002 you'd get called for an illegal defense. It also wasn't until the 07-08 Celtics that someone really took advantage of it with how they exploited the rules of the zone, loading the strong side, 4 guys damn near in the paint at all times, ice the pick and roll. It's why the corner three started happening so often because that is one of the few things the zone did give up, and it's why your PF being able to shoot has become a necessity, specialists basically don't exist anymore, and the few that do come off the bench.
Mantis Toboggan M.D.
I’m here for the scraps
This. Don't forget the Mavericks doing this against Shaq in the 2006 finals. One of my favorite arguments to pick apart was the "Mike wouldn't have let the 2011 Mavericks defense slow him down". That strategy wasn't permitted in his era. There's a reason Shaq was scoring so little in the 2006 finals. Same reason you couldn't play a guy like Dennis Rodman 36 minutes a night in today's league. Teams wouldn't have to stick to him when you're on offense. Memphis has this issue with Tony Allen.
fukk outta here....y'all blow that hand checking shyt outta proportion. Zone defense is just as hard to score against. Look at the pace of games back then compared to now. Teams had no problems scoring against defenders hand checking and fouling their ass off
I could easily say imagine Lebron getting 1 on 1 defense all game and not having to deal with 3 defenders collapsing on him. And all he had to worry about was a nikka putting his hand on his waist. He'd average 50 a game. See how dumb that is