T.I. "If 50 was from the Midwest he would be Nelly"

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12 pages in and I still haven’t seen not one Nelly verse or deep cut posted. Not one person who admits to Nelly being one of their favorite rappers back in the day
 

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No. Son Nelly didn’t even market himself as an emcee like that. And it wasn’t like he was killin bars like Bone Thugs. Which everyone in NYC LOVED by the way.


bone never got their credit for bars on the east coast until recent years, and thats only because most of these lil dudes running with their style on the radio these days cant rap.

east coast even tried to hi-jack the style, claiming that biggie took the style to another level with his sloppy ass verse on notorious thugs.:laugh: all while ignoring how bizzy bone had the best verse on the track by far.

as far as being loved, i'd say it was 40% loved, 40% well-liked, 20% hated/disregarded on the east coast. and nowadays, its like they never existed.


Go listen to old 50 and rethink that statement.


old 50 wasnt any better lyrically.

he was just more raw.

which again proves the point. he would just be another raw hardcore midwest rapper that nobody cares about outside of missouri & the bay.



It was a popular Album but it's bullshyt if you think they were playing the entire album on the radio in the South or Midwest. fukk Flex or DJ Clue's show, don't constitute the U.S.


THIS

they werent even doing that chit here in philly, and thats the east coast.

i mean, philly DJs did jump on his dikk all of a sudden when GRODT was about to drop. not so much before that. but yea, when GRODT hit, he had a few album cuts in heavy mix-show rotation along with a few mixtape cuts in heavy ro along with it, which is alot of play indeed. BUT this whole album on the radio stuff is just some new york chit.

@spliz sometimes thinks that if it happened in new york, it happened everywhere.


People don't like Ja cause of 50. His legacy would be a lot different if 50 never came through dissing him and then completely stealing his hit making formula.


nah.

jarule was the most hated in the game BEFORE 50 cent took the beef mainstream.
i predicted that jarule would be one of the few guys to take a career fall from a rap beef, cuz he had no core fanbase to fallback on, but was poppin mad chit in interviews. i thought DMX was gonna be the one to take him down.

the combination of that, along with 50 cent being the next big thing & the lopsided media coverage of the beef thanks to interscope's machine is what killed jarule off.

notice, thats really the only rap beef that 50 cent really won.


12 pages in and I still haven’t seen not one Nelly verse or deep cut posted. Not one person who admits to Nelly being one of their favorite rappers back in the day


12 pages in, and youre still missing the point TIP was trying to make.:ufdup:


50's success doesn't have anything to do with him being from NY.

Thing is, a lot of artists have always had an inferiority complex with NY, when regional consideration really doesn't have anything to do with success in the music business after the late 90's. Soundscan actually showed that 50 was selling a lot more records in other states, rather than in NY. NY has always been the bootleg capitol. It's the fans in other states who were really going out and buying those retail copies back then. 50 pointed that out a few times. He wasn't new to anyone in NY. Outside of NYC, people went crazy for him.

Nelly dropped at the perfect time, because in 2000, the kind of pop-rap music he was making was a lot more acceptable, than it would've been before or even just a few years after that. That's why he wasn't able to pop anymore just 3-4 years later. Comparing Nelly to 50 is seriously apples and oranges. 50 came in making the same kinda shyt he made on the mixtape circuit, but just with a huge corporate machine behind him. Nelly came in making poppy rap songs that had catchy highly-accessible lyrics that catered to radio and Top 40. These dudes are very different kinds of artists. I think Tip is tight because people were online shytting on his catalogue against Fif's. He's mad now, and try’na diss Nelly and 50 in the process.


wait, are we acting like 50 cent's hits werent mostly pop-friendly records??

you up here acting like 50 cent was on some DMX chit, and this was right after @JustCKing shut all that talk down.

btw, nelly's 1st two songs were mega-hits with lower quality videos shot str8 in the middle of the hood, while 50 cent was on some green-screen chit with eminem & dr dre holding his hands.


why do yall always conveniently use em and dre to deflect 50s impact on his own?

what did ems co-sign do for d12, stat quo, obie trice, or cashis? what did dre's co-sign do for hitman or truth hurts or all of his other non-white post death row co-signs prior to 50? he couldnt even do shyt for game until 50 came into the picture


he definitely had his own impact outside of dre & eminem. i agree that it gets downplayed at times.

but he wouldnt have been doing nelly numbers without them. not even close.


GRODT is a street album. Country Grammar is not a street album, lol.


have you actually listened to country grammar??

its mostly a street album homie.

the country grammar single itself that blew him up, is essentially a street record as well.


I know he's hated right now, but Kanye would have something to say on that :usure:


kanye's crossover celebrity is greater. thats about it.

in terms of str8 musical success, kanye falls behind nelly, bone thug, and does eminem count??
 
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bone never got their credit for bars on the east coast until recent years, and thats only because most of these lil dudes running with their style on the radio these days cant rap.

east coast even tried to hi-jack the style, claiming that biggie took the style to another level with his sloppy ass verse on notorious thugs.:laugh: all while ignoring how bizzy bone had the best verse on the track by far.

as far as being loved, i'd say it was 40% loved, 40% well-liked, 20% hated/disregarded on the east coast. and nowadays, its like they never existed.





old 50 wasnt any better lyrically.

he was just more raw.

which again proves the point. he would just be another raw hardcore midwest rapper that nobody cares about outside of missouri & the bay.






THIS

they werent even doing that chit here in philly, and thats the east coast.

i mean, philly DJs did jump on his dikk all of a sudden when GRODT was about to drop. not so much before that. but yea, when GRODT hit, he had a few album cuts in heavy mix-show rotation along with a few mixtape cuts in heavy ro along with it, which is alot of play indeed. BUT this whole album on the radio stuff is just some new york chit.

@spliz sometimes thinks that if it happened in new york, it happened everywhere.





nah.

jarule was the most hated in the game BEFORE 50 cent took the beef mainstream.
i predicted that jarule would be one of the few guys to take a career fall from a rap beef, cuz he had no core fanbase to fallback on, but was poppin mad chit in interviews. i thought DMX was gonna be the one to take him down.

the combination of that, along with 50 cent being the next big thing & the lopsided media coverage of the beef thanks to interscope's machine is what killed jarule off.

notice, thats really the only rap beef that 50 cent really won.





12 pages in, and youre still missing the point TIP was trying to make.:ufdup:





wait, are we acting like 50 cent's hits werent mostly pop-friendly records??

you up here acting like 50 cent was on some DMX chit, and this was right after @JustCKing shut all that talk down.

btw, nelly's 1st two songs were mega-hits with lower quality videos shot str8 in the middle of the hood, while 50 cent was on some green-screen chit with eminem & dr dre holding his hands.





he definitely had his own impact outside of dre & eminem. i agree that it gets downplayed at times.

but he wouldnt have been doing nelly numbers without them. not even close.





have you actually listened to country grammar??

its mostly a street album homie.

the country grammar single itself that blew him up, is essentially a street record as well.





kanye's crossover celebrity is greater. thats about it.

in terms of str8 musical success, kanye falls behind nelly, bone thug, and does eminem count??
Son I’m honestly tired u fukkin quoting me with lies or speaking on shyt that u ain’t been around. U NOT FROM NYC nikka U DONT KNOW WHAT WE WAS THINKING. I will NEVER try to tell u what the fukk Philly nikkas was doin cause I’m not from there. U STAY overcompensating to seem “unbiased”. It’s clown shyt. I don’t know what the fukk y'all nikkas thought in Philly but please stop speaking on NYC cause u don’t know the climate here and it’s been proven time and time again U don’t know what the fukk u be talkin bout when it comes to this city.
 

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no your post dosent make any sense.
My post makes perfect sense T.I. is a trap rapper. He makes trap music. All because he has one song per album for women does not change that. Every rapper has a song for the ladies..

This does not change the fact that DMX is a gangsta rapper
 

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My post makes perfect sense T.I. is a trap rapper. He makes trap music. All because he has one song per album for women does not change that. Every rapper has a song for the ladies..

This does not change the fact that DMX is a gangsta rapper

what was the last trap song ti made?

You clearly don’t even listen to him or never really have, that’s what most of his criticism comes from, him getting away from his signature sound on his 4th-5th album.
 

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what was the last trap song ti made?

You clearly don’t even listen to him or never really have, that’s what most of his criticism comes from, him getting away from his signature sound on his 4th-5th album.
I listened to every t.i. album





It's all trap shyt..
 
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