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going to a team with talent is better then going to a really crappy team
Teddy Bridgewater and Jameis Winston: The comparison
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going to a team with talent is better then going to a really crappy team
I watched the last four Houston games.
Their issues:
Defense doesn't create turnovers and doesn't need to be on the field that long. They have a good defense but nothing great. A big part of their defense is J.J. dominance.
Their running game was poor mainly due to injuries to Foster.
The offense had a ton of turnovers.
The QB's were horrible in terms of turnovers, holding the ball too long, making plays, bad passing.
Bad coaching but the Texans have had this issue for about 5 years now.
Good:
Their OL was solid, better than some of the final stats say.
The defense is talented.
The WR weapons were good even without Daniels.
That's about it. They were 2-14 for a reason.
Coaching change with a good coach should see them win 8-10 games w/ good health to their stars regardless of QB. Adding a franchise QB and this team 12-14 games every year and is right there with the Broncos, 49ers, and Seahawks for overall talent and impact.
Clearly Teddy would want Houston but I can see if he didn't want a team like the Raiders.
For Teddy, Minnesota, Cleveland, and Houston are great fits. Jacksonville is a decent fit and run from the Jets and Raiders.
Watched some bowl games.
Hundley- This game was like his whole season. Great arm talent, accurate at all level especially deep, great athlete, raw in terms of QB skills, will take some time.
Thomas- Before his injury, I see a less accurate, great athlete version of Joe Flacco. Thomas has really improved reading defenses and understanding the position. I really think he might be two years away but you could get away with starting him. As frustrating as he is, his game translates to the NFL in the Air Coryell system.
Manizel- JFF is a star, the most entertaining QB since Vick. As far as a NFL prospect, he is a much better passer than Vick but Vick had superior tools. Manizel is tough as nails and can take a hit much better than Vick. Manizel is a slight mix of two former Atlanta Falcons QB's (Favre and Vick) but he doesn't have the arm talent that each of these guys possess. Top 10 pick but I worry about his long term impact in the NFL but for a year or two, he will make a team who is irrelevant, completely relevant. This Duke game like Hundley's game v. VT was more of the same instead of a breakthrough game.
Today I will watch Bortles, Shaw, and Petty.
Hundley- This game was like his whole season. Great arm talent, accurate at all level especially deep, great athlete, raw in terms of QB skills, will take some time.
Thomas- Before his injury, I see a less accurate, great athlete version of Joe Flacco. Thomas has really improved reading defenses and understanding the position. I really think he might be two years away but you could get away with starting him. As frustrating as he is, his game translates to the NFL in the Air Coryell system.
Manizel- JFF is a star, the most entertaining QB since Vick. As far as a NFL prospect, he is a much better passer than Vick but Vick had superior tools. Manizel is tough as nails and can take a hit much better than Vick. Manizel is a slight mix of two former Atlanta Falcons QB's (Favre and Vick) but he doesn't have the arm talent that each of these guys possess. Top 10 pick but I worry about his long term impact in the NFL but for a year or two, he will make a team who is irrelevant, completely relevant. This Duke game like Hundley's game v. VT was more of the same instead of a breakthrough game.
Today I will watch Bortles, Shaw, and Petty.
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I would not be discouraged or feared for Teddy should somehow he landed in Jax. Our offensive line improved this season and our wr core could be dynamic if we can keep Shorts and Blackmon ON the field. Upgrade our running game, resign Henne to have a veteran presence at the QB spot (even though Gabbert was all time bad, he suffered from no veteran qb to help him on the roster), & grab a qb at some point in this draft. I personally perfer getting Clowney than Aaron Murray and possibly be in line to get Winston next season
but as far as Winston...he is SPECIAL. he would have been the top pick last year, this year, & next year. We've only been able to say that about a qb if it was Peyton and Luck coming out of college. he is THAT special
I would not be discouraged or feared for Teddy should somehow he landed in Jax. Our offensive line improved this season and our wr core could be dynamic if we can keep Shorts and Blackmon ON the field. Upgrade our running game, resign Henne to have a veteran presence at the QB spot (even though Gabbert was all time bad, he suffered from no veteran qb to help him on the roster), & grab a qb at some point in this draft. I personally perfer getting Clowney than Aaron Murray and possibly be in line to get Winston next season
but as far as Winston...he is SPECIAL. he would have been the top pick last year, this year, & next year. We've only been able to say that about a qb if it was Peyton and Luck coming out of college. he is THAT special
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I have a feeling that the Texans wont take him at #1 and will take Clowney instead. I see them going after a veteran FA QB like Cutler.
The Texans are most definitely taking a QB. Is it Teddy is the question Houston brass will answer but it won't be Clowney. Even if he had an amazing motor, Houston needs a franchise QB much more but since he doesn't, Houston will scout him but this is more than likely going to be a QB.
You shouldn't be. Teddy fits in all offenses and especially in Jacksonville's one if MJD returns. Jacksonville's personnel wouldn't be a much farther gap than Louisville's considering the level and competition to their opponents. I was impressed with the Jags coaching staff and they really improved their defense even without any defensive impact players.@#1 pick
I would not be discouraged or feared for Teddy should somehow he landed in Jax. Our offensive line improved this season and our wr core could be dynamic if we can keep Shorts and Blackmon ON the field. Upgrade our running game, resign Henne to have a veteran presence at the QB spot (even though Gabbert was all time bad, he suffered from no veteran qb to help him on the roster), & grab a qb at some point in this draft. I personally perfer getting Clowney than Aaron Murray and possibly be in line to get Winston next season
but as far as Winston...he is SPECIAL. he would have been the top pick last year, this year, & next year. We've only been able to say that about a qb if it was Peyton and Luck coming out of college. he is THAT special
I think Jacksonville will be in the market for Brett Hundley if he enters as well.
Winston would likely be the top pick in the last 20 years, maybe Luck might go ahead of him because he's White and you know how White QB's have it in the NFL until a Black QB wins it all.
As for Bridgewater, someone posted all of his plays from the L'Ville v. Miami game.
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No doubt that Houston will draft a QB, the question is whether they get the QB in the 1st or 2nd round. Bill O'Brien is an offensive coach and he was an OC with probably the best QB in the league.. He will no doubt look for a guy that can handle the playbook on an elite level, good in pre-snap, and is comfortable in difference formations and sets. The Texans are not going to be sold on a QB until the combine and during the interview process. AJ reminds me a lot of Tom Brady (in terms of his potential ceiling...not get all crazy now) and although he comes in with some limitations just like Brady did coming into the league, he has a fiery personality, a chip on his shoulder, and probably the best pre-snap QB in college football. He passes the psychological makeup of what it takes to be a good QB in the NFL. If he can be had in the 2nd round, the Texans will select the best defensive player. Clowney needs to show his ass in the bowl game against Wisconsin to show he can play well on command.
What I think will happen...
Texans will more than likely choose a QB with their first pick. Its too risky to wait for QB that can be taken by another team. Bill O'Brien understands how important having a QB that will understand his offense which will not be a vanilla system. Hundley is intriguing because of his dual threat ability and size If he interviews well with Bill O'Brien on QB/offensive related questions I think he becomes the Texans pick. But he is still too raw and may not fit in a Bill O'Brien offense early on. if it seems he can't handle the duties, the Texans will go with the Teddy since he will be the safest pick.
I think that Texans will also look at Manziel. I don't think people understand how rabid Texans fans are...when Vince Young didn't get picked the Texans front office damn near went into hiding. Manziel is that dude down here...even if you are a Longhorns fan. He can have a greater impact from a marketing standpoint if he reaches his potential. Remember the Cowboys fanbase is bigger in Texas than the Texans. A Manziel selection can help chip away at that fanbase. A whole generation of young adults haven't seen the Cowboys do shyt and will ride with the team with the hot new star who is also Texas born and raised. The Texans fanbase will put major pressure to pick Manziel. We don't need to go into this man's skillset, we have seen what he can do. Manziel appears to have big hands which is overlooked considering QBs, Vick and Culpepper have small hands which I think factored into their fumble issues at times inaccuracy when they don't have a solid grip on the ball. Height is overrated in my opinion. He looks like he can add 12-15 pounds and still be elusive. One concern is his pit bull attitude to take on defender head on even though he is not big guy. If he slid and protected himself more, he would be less risky. Because he never played with a good offense, he never learned how to manage the game. Bill O'Brien can help him with that.
Bridgewater - low risk, high reward
Hundley - medium risk, high reward
Manziel - high risk, very high reward
What I think will happen...
Texans will more than likely choose a QB with their first pick. Its too risky to wait for QB that can be taken by another team. Bill O'Brien understands how important having a QB that will understand his offense which will not be a vanilla system. Hundley is intriguing because of his dual threat ability and size If he interviews well with Bill O'Brien on QB/offensive related questions I think he becomes the Texans pick. But he is still too raw and may not fit in a Bill O'Brien offense early on. if it seems he can't handle the duties, the Texans will go with the Teddy since he will be the safest pick.
I think that Texans will also look at Manziel. I don't think people understand how rabid Texans fans are...when Vince Young didn't get picked the Texans front office damn near went into hiding. Manziel is that dude down here...even if you are a Longhorns fan. He can have a greater impact from a marketing standpoint if he reaches his potential. Remember the Cowboys fanbase is bigger in Texas than the Texans. A Manziel selection can help chip away at that fanbase. A whole generation of young adults haven't seen the Cowboys do shyt and will ride with the team with the hot new star who is also Texas born and raised. The Texans fanbase will put major pressure to pick Manziel. We don't need to go into this man's skillset, we have seen what he can do. Manziel appears to have big hands which is overlooked considering QBs, Vick and Culpepper have small hands which I think factored into their fumble issues at times inaccuracy when they don't have a solid grip on the ball. Height is overrated in my opinion. He looks like he can add 12-15 pounds and still be elusive. One concern is his pit bull attitude to take on defender head on even though he is not big guy. If he slid and protected himself more, he would be less risky. Because he never played with a good offense, he never learned how to manage the game. Bill O'Brien can help him with that.
Bridgewater - low risk, high reward
Hundley - medium risk, high reward
Manziel - high risk, very high reward
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I think people in this thread are legit underestimating how good Teddy is. He is a Luck/Peyton level talent. He's ridiculously accurate. Strong arm. Smart. Poised. They let the kid call plays. He by far has the highest ceiling out of this QB class.The Texans would be insane to pass on him.
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Vince Young was a hometown kid whereas Johnny Manziel is not. It's not that much Manziel support here in Houston unless if you're an Aggies fan. We just want a competent QB.
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This is something any decent qb coach can fix. Bridgewater is such an amazing young talent it would be stupid to pass him up for any reason. Dude is like RG3 but with all the extra corn!
I like your post but I think Hundley is high risk high reward. Manizel is medium risk, medium reward and your on point with Teddy. I just don't see Manizel being great after his 2nd year unless he can adjust. At first he will be too much for the NFL than teams will adjust.
A.J. is a system QB. I really think having a great OL and offensive coach can do wonders for him.
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I feel ya breh, but I am basing it on the Texans as a team. Texans do not have 2-14 talent which is what makes the team a very different #1 pick. They have a good OL and solid running game. They have impact players on defense and would have been better with an additional pass rusher and a healthy Cushing. Hundley would be a lot higher risk on a bad team like the Jaguars. But on a Texans team with Johnson, Foster, Daniels and the OLine he could sustain drives with his feet. He can develop into a good QB while relying on pro bowlers to make plays. He is just not as polished as Teddy, but neither was Kaep coming out of Nevada. Manziel is exciting but he takes on defenders to much and that can lead to injuries at the next level with harder hitting players. I think the biggest question mark for him is his playing style in relation to his build/size. Teams want players that are available every Sunday.