The ancient Romans on race

[The Fade]

Yup. Most apartment complexes had rent that was due once a year.Usually in July, which that month was painfully dreaded cause landlords were ruthless. There was a story of a guy who was late on rent by one day and he was forced to sleep under a bridge cause he got evicted. Tenants were allowed to sue their landlords in theory but the landlords were so powerful and often had the best lawyers available so it was almost guaranteed that you'll lose the case. Landlords even intentionally burned their buildings to collect insurance money (think of 70s Bronx).

We also took the Latifundia system and Gerrymandering system from them too

 

[Ozymandeas]

Herodotus and Old Roman Historians said that theres two great Ethiopian empires. Sindh(eastern ethiopia) and egypt which was said by some to be an outpost empire for Ethiopians or an Ethiopian parent. Herodotus called India, Eastern Ethiopia. I have the Histories book and you can look some of this up

Theres a video of an Indian who was friends with John Henry Clarke. He was a Dalit who claims black, he hates upper caste Indians and went in on Hinduism(which he called Brahanism). He said the Ganges was named after an Ethiopian King. Ethiopians also lived with Egyptians in the city of Ammon. Theres also a Bengali God who is the same a Bantu God

Bruh, Ethiopia is not in India. They simply went to India during Alexander’s conquests, saw dark skin people and thought they must be Aethiops too. That’s it. Ethiopia is Punt. Where humanity started and what Egypt referred to as its ancestral homeland. At worst, “Punt” includes modern day Yemen too straddling both sides of the Red Sea. But humanity did not start in India and it’s not Egypt’s birth place. The word came about when Greeks came down to Egypt/Africa and saw black people for the first time. India being included is just them being confused about them having dark skin too. Had they made it to Papau New Guinea, they would’ve said the Negritos there were Aethiops too.

 

[The Fade]

Bruh, Ethiopia is not in India. They simply went to India during Alexander’s conquests, saw dark skin people and thought they must be Aiethiops too. That’s it. Ethiopia is Punt. Where humanity started and what Egypt referred to as its ancestral homeland. At worst, “Punt” includes modern day Yemen too straddling both sides of the Red Sea. But humanity did not start in India and it’s not Egypt’s birth place.

Herodotus is before Alexander and the first western historian.


I'm just saying what he said. No where did I say Humanity started in India. I'm saying they considered it an offshoot and was attempting to bring context

You're making it seem like I'm centering this on India. I'm not. I'm saying these other places were colonized by Africans and Africans precede them

And if Ethiopia is Punt and Egyptians considered it the motherland, we're not really saying anything that much different in that regard. If not, I wouldve said Egypt and Ethiopia belonged to the Indian nation. but the darker skinned ones who would later mix with various people ones some say come from that Punt/Ethiopian area. I think there was evidence posted here awhile back about the Indus Valley civ actually being a Black colony

 

[Wildhundreds]

tl;dw

Race is a relatively modern concept
People were judged on culture than skin color
Romans were to literally everyone who wasn't them, even Greeks
Romans had more respect for Africans (especially Egyptians) than Northern Europeans
You were clowned for wearing pants

What do you think would happen to a people who's culture was stripped from them?

 

[Cynic]

Rubbish, it was the most important city in the world outside of Asia, people from England and Spain in the west to India in the east and to Ethiopia in the south would have at least travelled there frequently if not have lived there, to buy and sell goods. It was the New York, Wall Street of the era. How many different ethnic groups do you see in New York today? Rome would have been the same.

They also had, after the civil wars had ended in 30 BCE, increasingly open citizenship laws. Anybody and his family, regardless of race or origin, automatically became a citizen with full rights upon completing 15 years military service. If you join up when you're 16 and get out at 31, you've got the whole rest of your life ahead of you with all the privileges and all the rights of a Roman-born white man

Lol. What was the life expectancy of a Roman ?

 

[mykey]

Giovanni Moro was a politician from Lucera, Roman Empire (modern day Sicily)

 

[BlackJesus]

Also, stuff like this helps you put into perspective the idea of race being fluid and that our obsession with race is fabricated from our own social constructs to some extent.

It is all really just perspective.

It wasn’t 100% positive which is why I said “almost”. They often called Africans cowardly but wise/smart

 

[Scustin Bieburr]

Racism is a recent invention designed to rob people of their land, labor, resources and lives. It was designed purely for exploitation and continues today because of that.

A child can see the humanity of someone who looks different from him or her. Cacs TEACH racism to their children and punish them when they (correctly) question the belief system.

 

[JadeB]

What do you think would happen to a people who's culture was stripped from them?

That was an unique case that arisen from the transatlantic slave trade.

 

[JadeB]

Bruh, Ethiopia is not in India. They simply went to India during Alexander’s conquests, saw dark skin people and thought they must be Aethiops too. That’s it. Ethiopia is Punt. Where humanity started and what Egypt referred to as its ancestral homeland. At worst, “Punt” includes modern day Yemen too straddling both sides of the Red Sea. But humanity did not start in India and it’s not Egypt’s birth place. The word came about when Greeks came down to Egypt/Africa and saw black people for the first time. India being included is just them being confused about them having dark skin too. Had they made it to Papau New Guinea, they would’ve said the Negritos there were Aethiops too.

Herodotus is before Alexander and the first western historian.


I'm just saying what he said. No where did I say Humanity started in India. I'm saying they considered it an offshoot and was attempting to bring context

You're making it seem like I'm centering this on India. I'm not. I'm saying these other places were colonized by Africans and Africans precede them

And if Ethiopia is Punt and Egyptians considered it the motherland, we're not really saying anything that much different in that regard. If not, I wouldve said Egypt and Ethiopia belonged to the Indian nation. but the darker skinned ones who would later mix with various people ones some say come from that Punt/Ethiopian area. I think there was evidence posted here awhile back about the Indus Valley civ actually being a Black colony

Get what you mean but I have to give it to @Ozymandeas. The Greeks and later ethnic Romans called everyone with very dark skin Aethiops, it wasn't an indicator that they were "Black" in the modern concept but the fact that their skin is literally darker than them.


BTW, the term Roman itself is fluid due to the fact that it began as a specific ethnicity but the definition had expanded to anyone of any origin and background who was able to obtain citizenship. That's why they are statues, mosaics, and paintings of Black Romans (in the citizenship sense).

 

[Ducktales]

There weren’t that many black people around in Ancient Rome then so basically they were all the same colour

Not use google brehs (yes there were)

 

[JadeB]

Lol. What was the life expectancy of a Roman ?

If you survived childhood, you could live up to 70-80

 

[315]

People were judged on culture than skin color

 

[JadeB]

All part of the same loosely related empire or more accurately trade network.

Ethiopia is the name given to the area and people by the Greeks.

The people themselves called (Ethiopia) Kush, and the Southern Indians you're referring to were the Indus Kush, or later Hindu Kush after the Aryan (cac) invasions.

We have to remember these borders and shyt we have today are all a very recent cac invention.

Dudes here always talk about "why did Egypt let themselves get overran by these different races?" When Egyptians weren't aware of the concept of race. To them, the Greeks or Persians weren't cac or sandcac invaders, they were simply rival nations. They had the same reaction when Nubians invaded Egypt twice.

 

[JadeB]

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