who cares about sales? the 2nd album was alot bigger than the 1st.
you the homie but you deaded your own argument from jumpstreet.
The Hot Boys vs The Lox
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who cares about sales? the 2nd album was alot bigger than the 1st.
you the homie but you deaded your own argument from jumpstreet.
bigbadbossup2012
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How about you name them popular songs from that album
And i'm not saying they have to be radio smashes,just album cuts
nikkas acting like x was just a pop star at the time
We gon act like the whole street power they got wasnt initially off x's back
I know these nikkas wasnt leading the street power
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How about you name them popular songs from that album
And i'm not saying they have to be radio smashes,just album cuts
nikkas acting like x was just a pop star at the time
We gon act like the whole street power they got wasnt initially off x's back
I know these nikkas wasnt leading the street power
let me ask you this. how do you feel about kool g rap & dj polo?
nobody is saying that X was a pop star at all. he was THE MAN at the time. nobody was bigger than X period. but his album just didnt get as much burn up top as WATS. no albums did. you not even from up top, so why argue?
the lox had the streets on deck before ruff ryders even existed as a label breh. why you think the "free the lox" campaign took off like it did? then they joined ruff ryders, it put both the LOX & RR over the top. youre focused on the few videos they wore shiney suits, but that 1st tape was mostly bangers. and the mixtape stuff they did leading up to it is where they got most of their following to begin with, but i guess we're supposed to ignore all that.
and lets ignore how they changed the way people rapped - all the way up to biggie & ma$e.as for the tracks you requested, the whole album rocked. but basically the 1st half of it was where the huge impact tracks & classics were.
where you think the name SUPA HEAD came from?
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bigbadbossup2012
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Lmao that campaign happened cause dmx blew. Had he not sold they'd stayed put and been good boys . Lets talk about how they were apart of 2 multi platinum squads and failed to put up numbers despite that. Why? Don't say they're too hood d. Dmx is clearly more hood than them and blew off hood music. Maybe them nikkasaint shytlet me ask you this. how do you feel about kool g rap & dj polo?
nobody is saying that X was a pop star at all. he was THE MAN at the time. nobody was bigger than X period. but his album just didnt get as much burn up top as WATS. no albums did. you not even from up top, so why argue?
the lox had the streets on deck before ruff ryders even existed as a label breh. why you think the "free the lox" campaign took off like it did? then they joined ruff ryders, it put both the LOX & RR over the top. youre focused on the few videos they wore shiney suits, but that 1st tape was mostly bangers. and the mixtape stuff they did leading up to it is where they got most of their following to begin with, but i guess we're supposed to ignore all that.
as for the tracks you requested, the whole album rocked. but basically the 1st half of it was where the huge impact tracks & classics were.
where you think the name SUPA HEAD came from?
the point is, the campaign was popular because the lox were a big deal, and the most popular east coast group at the time. you think a "free black rob" campaign wouldve made any noise?
unfair comparison. people like DMX dont come around too often. he had across-the-board appeal. he was a movie star, a rock star without doing rock, etc etc. the lox doesnt reasonate with middle america at all, unless its jadakiss pandering on his solo records.
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bigbadbossup2012
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Dude stop making excuses. Them nikkas just couldn't cut it. Their material was weak. Now I love jada's first solo but bottom line is the lox can't see the hot boys and we are the streets is trash. They had two huge chances to blow. They didn't because they're lackluster artists. Eve went double. They went gold. People weren't on them. That RR vol 1 was heavily out there, so was eve and dmx. Them nikkas brought little . Years later them nikkas tried to run back to puff. fukkin clowns. Swizz x and eve put it down. They were there for the ridethe point is, they campaign was popular because the lox were a big deal, and the most popular east coast group at the time. you think a "free black rob" campaign wouldve made any noise?
unfair comparison. people like DMX dont come around too often. he had across-the-board appeal. he was a movie star, a rock star without doing rock, etc etc. the lox doesnt reasonate with middle america at all, unless its jadakiss pandering on his solo records.
the brackets on that show sucked, btw.
and these shows, websites and magazines keep running with my chit.
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/the-...is-goat-rap-group-tournament-vote-now.235973/
and these shows, websites and magazines keep running with my chit.
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/the-...is-goat-rap-group-tournament-vote-now.235973/
i asked you how you felt about kool g. rap & dj polo, and you skidded right past that.
again, my vote goes to the hot boys. my argument wasnt about who is better. its about the ridiculous low-ballin of the lox in here.
no excuses needed. lol. youre in here judgng street rappers off of record sales as if street niccas make up a huge fraction of soundscan, especially a group whos biggest market is within the bootleg capitals.
jadakiss himself prolly doesnt love his 1st solo. it was good overall, but that was like the weakest of all their releases back then.
what east coast bias? im pretty sure this list was randomly thrown together on the humbug by mostly white cats from wherever that work on the show. i agree that the hot boys got a raw deal, but this whole "blame east coast bias" rhetoric needs to stop. the east coast has nothing to do with the stuff yall complain about half the time.
the lox was indeed poppin like that dog. theres a reason why jadakiss was expected to be the nextafter WATS. it wasnt a numbers/commercial thing. it was more of a street thing. and yes, WATS was indeed bigger on the streets than "and then there was X" in the ruff ryders' biggest markets. hell, it was bigger in those markets than everything that dropped for dam near a 2 year period. theyre the most influential group to come out in the past 18-19 years.
and like i said, my vote goes to the hot boys. but i cant be mad if somebody picks the lox over them. and im talking about the groups here. not the solo stuff.
okay, i see why you called out the lox now. but i dont think jalen was saying that theyre a top 5 group(btw, jalen is not an east coast guy). i think he was saying that theyre a dark-horse to make the final four. and depending on the matchups, i can see that happening. since theyre still current, i can see them getting voted over older groups that get brushed aside like say a run dmc. i can see them un-deservingly knocking run dmc out of the 2nd round, and then running thru one of those over-ranked 2 seeds in the following round.
that wayne debut only went 1x plat back in the day. it may have went double plat in recent years thanks to his later success, but it was stuck at 1 millie back then.
i didn't just pull east coast bias out the sky. Its a journalism term. It got a damn wikipedia page. East coast shyt is covered on a larger scale in sports, music, etc. This is why the Knicks get so much coverage and cysed as a top organization despite not winning a chip in 30 something years. This is also why people were cysing Jadakiss to be king only to have his record come out and go gold. Now, how is it that Juve drops 400 degreez and everything from CMR goes platinum or better after? Nolimits 3rd stringers were bringing home gold plaques. The Lox were apart of Bad Boy at its apex and Ruff Ryders at their apex.. Had singles produced by Swizz Beats, Timbaland, and the Hitmen when they were on fire. Co-signs from X and Puff when they were on fire..still didn't pop. Cause nobody was on them like that...I swear people up top are living in a bubble. Just because somethings popping in NY dont mean its happening like that everywhere else. The LOX get love down here...not like that..The most influential group in 18-19 years? nikka what? G-unit and the Dips would like to have a conversation with you. And I saw u left them out of your tourney but they had multiple group albums. They count...They were bigger than X in 99? Bruh, X only comp was Jigga, Dre/Em, and...wait for it....Cash Money Hot Boys. How did the lox get to ruffryders with swizz who was on absolute fire, X and Eve multi-platinum..and they still didnt pop? .....NO ONE WAS ON THEM LIKE THAT
..They were good, no hate....But lets be reality.The numbers/impact don't lie.Jada had a neptunes single when they were at their apex and couldn't pop..What does that say? There was a ruff ryder/cash money tour. The platinum artists on it were X,Eve,Juve, BG, Wayne......im just saying. Say all u want bout the streets or whatever the fukk but to say that is to act like X or the HB's were just pop artists. You know better than that. You kill me because I know u be knowing what Im talking about and you agree with me half the time but you still be like 
its all good tho.bigbadbossup2012
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I brought up sales cause of the crew they were in. and what their crew was going despite being street artistsi asked you how you felt about kool g. rap & dj polo, and you skidded right past that.
again, my vote goes to the hot boys. my argument wasnt about who is better. its about the ridiculous low-ballin of the lox in here.
no excuses needed. lol. youre in here judgng street rappers off of record sales as if street niccas make up a huge fraction of soundscan, especially a group whos biggest market is within the bootleg capitals.
so im not gonna get an answer to that kool g rap question at all, am i?
I swear people up top are living in a bubble. Just because somethings popping in NY dont mean its happening like that everywhere else. The LOX get love down here...not like that..The most influential group in 18-19 years? nikka what? G-unit and the Dips would like to have a conversation with you. And I saw u left them out of your tourney but they had multiple group albums. They count...They were bigger than X in 99? Bruh, X only comp was Jigga, Dre/Em, and...wait for it....Cash Money Hot Boys. How did the lox get to ruffryders with swizz who was on absolute fire, X and Eve multi-platinum..and they still didnt pop? .....NO ONE WAS ON THEM LIKE THAT
so you just gonna ignore the bul FROM NEW ORLEANS that told you that the lox were big down there? and im not from NY. now im not saying that they were as big everywhere as they were on the east, but they were big period. and ive seen big crowds of bamas get amped for the lox.
g-unit & dipset arent groups. besides, those are bad examples since they were both influenced by the LOX. not the other way around.
lol @ dr dre & eminem. youre equating sales with impact. and thats a NO-NO in hip-hop. those lines getting blurred are the reason why we're in this predicament now.
and why do you keep acting like im downplaying cash money? i told yall like 10 times already that they got my vote. this isnt about them.
I'm lost at what the debate is at this point. This is what im talking about. You did this in the vh1 honors thread. you agree with me then try to nitpick some other shyt i said and cause another debate. We're saying the same thing. BUT! then you just say shyt that makes me goso im not gonna get an answer to that kool g rap question at all, am i?
so you just gonna ignore the bul FROM NEW ORLEANS that told you that the lox were big down there? and im not from NY. now im not saying that they were as big everywhere as they were on the east, but they were big period. and ive seen big crowds of bamas get amped for the lox.
g-unit & dipset arent groups. besides, those are bad examples since they were both influenced by the LOX. not the other way around.
lol @ dr dre & eminem. youre equating sales with impact. and thats a NO-NO in hip-hop. those lines getting blurred are the reason why we're in this predicament now.
and why do you keep acting like im downplaying cash money? i told yall like 10 times already that they got my vote. this isnt about them.
Bruh....So now Chronic 2001 and Eminem weren't big or impactful in 99/00? Stop it...We are the streets was a bigger record then ..And then there was X? The 5x plat album with Whats my name, Party Up, and What these bytches want???!!! G-unit and Dipset aren't groups? What universe you in?
The Hotboys were bigger than the Lox in 99. However you wanna equate it. And you agree!!!! So why you coming at me contrary? Because again..I ain't shytting on the lox. I like the lox. I keep saying that. I keep saying Sheek was my favorite rapper at one point. I keep saying they got love in the south. But I'm putting shyt in perspective. They're overall impact is a cyse! That's it..
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it's really no question to me that the hot boys released better group albums. even in solo's...all on u vol 2 and 400 degreez are better than anything i ever heard from the lox. i'd say as mc's the lox are better, but i've always listened to the hot boys way more. people like to pick and choose certain categories when it comes to comparisons like this. that's why i post my mind and just dip.
I'm lost at what the debate is at this point. This is what im talking about. You did this in the vh1 honors thread. you agree with me then try to nitpick some other shyt i said and cause another debate. We're saying the same thing. BUT! then you just say shyt that makes me go
i dont know why youre lost. THATS ON YOU.
after i watched the video, i clearly asked you why you singled the lox out, and i took issue with the way they were being downplayed in here. it was never a hot boys vs lox thing with me. i made it perfectly clear 20 times already. the hot boys are prolly a top 3 favorite group of mine.
"we are the streets" was a bigger record IN THE STREETS of the ruff ryders' main markets. yes.
that aftermath/dre/eminem stuff was mostly for the burbs. only west coast streets ride for that stuff like that. no the impact wasnt there. it was a numbers label.
ive been a rap fanatic since the '80s. thats my universe. dipset and g-unit are not groups. they are mixtape crews/record labels. and i explained my stance in the other thread, but you completely ignored it. the same way you ignored the bul in here from new orleans that was telling you about the lox.
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