The NOI had the best solution for black people

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They had their own farmland growing their own food, had their own schools to teach their children, had their own stores, had their own military force to protect and police their communities, rtc.

Yet black people chose to fight to integrate with cacs instead of building our own nation. Look at the results a complete disaster.


Smart dumb in a nutshell

Intentional of course, for a supposed law graduate you have a very unnuanced grasp of American history.

Like the government and private white militias never terrorized black economic and social enclaves.


You supposedly went to a "top 10" law school, thats the definition of integrating with white culture.
 

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They migrate here because as it stands currently, America is head and shoulders above most other established countries.

Right. So it's clear why people seem to...

desire to live amongst white people that may or may not despise you.

The difference in quality of life/opportunity >>> 'cism.

Now the crazy thing about that is.... with how bad we know things have been for black ppl in America, what does that say about other countries?

Bingo. I've been to West Africa, I know breh. :mjcry:
 

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They had their own farmland growing their own food, had their own schools to teach their children, had their own stores, had their own military force to protect and police their communities, rtc.

Yet black people chose to fight to integrate with cacs instead of building our own nation. Look at the results a complete disaster.

You know it’s some Black people doing this even today right? Gotta link up with the Black folks that’s really on nation building shyt fr.
 

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A sectarian movement was never going to work for the masses of black America anyway in a capitalist society.

The NOI was not only dependent on mainstream black integrationists providing them political cover to form a "nation", they were also dependent on the laws and black dollars of more integrated Northern cities. There's a reason the NOI wasn't strong in the South.

Jim Crow in the South needed to be eradicated! There was no getting around that or building away from it for the majority of black America.
 
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A nation is a new country... it won't be born peacefully or dwell peacefully next to the "Old" country. America was never going to let a new country rise anywhere near it's borders PEACEFULLY. Damn near no country in the world would go for this peacefully. That isn't to say it isn't deserved or anything else just the ideal you have is naive. The second you declare independence you are national threat number one for an infinite amount of reasons, majority of them being Black people have real grievances with America, they would fear retaliation and also international influence, treat it worse than Cuba. Now if you talking about something like what happened with Liberia or even the formation of Israel... yeah sure thing, As long as the Nation is as far away as possible from America its more likely to be a reality. your response is all emotion no logic. the way you argue and debate shyt is all emotion no logic.

This is why I think there was such a concerted effort to destroy and destabilize Black Nationalist movements.
They were considered a threat to the status quo, NOT JUST because they wanted equal rights but the questioned
the very foundation that America stood upon.
From their so called democracy to the capitalism which fueled it.

You start looking at the speeches and writings of these great individuals and it's blatantly obvious why things happened
the way they did.

shyt, many of their ideas are still considered too radical today.
 
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NOI probably would have went further as a secular origination
possibly but that religious aspect made them believe in themselves... gave them a great sense of self esteem. My pops used to be a member he spoke about how it made him feel like he could do anything. Christianity hadn't done that... had ppl waiting for Jesus to return or to wait for the afterlife
 
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they missed out on the millions of black Christians and the 2 black atheist that could have joined back then
Part of the power of the NAtion of Islam ideology was to break away from the Christian God...because the Christian god hadn't helped them thus far. Stop praying to the white man and the white devils. Believe in yourself
 
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if your argument is that integration hurt us show us the proof.
Are blacks that have integrated with whites in a worse position than ones that did not.
THe problem is...which is still true today, is the community believes the white man's ice is colder. unfortunately
 

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Enter Ados FBA lineage ideology

indiscriminate of religion. Full on purpose based on tangible history and culture
 
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