Essential The Official Battle Rap Random Thoughts Thread (URL, KOTD, UW etc...)

[Ardamus]

Eh, does he REALLY though?

For you to get vaulted as much as Cortez has, that means clearly URL doesn't give a fukk about you like that. Tez an OG and all, I'm sure you can find a couple of Mexicans who will call him a legend even, but I don't think URL would care if Cortez never battled on their platform again. If they offered him a PG as a "favor" and he turned it down because they vaulted his battles in the past, Beasley probably doesn't even text him back.

But he still gets on their platform so, that they don't care if he battles or not again with them is irrelevant. Compared to quite a few battlers who have problems getting back on there, he obviously has no problems of being back on their stage. And he's been wild consistent which the URL has complained about battlers not attempting to be before. And how you gonna give him props but yet shyt on the man the same time? C'mon fam. I know you a fan of URL but, fair is fair, my nikka. Especially if you say he's an OG, he should get something out of being that. This sounds backhanded. And furthermore, you got the shyt all wrong because Cortez has the name and he would be doing the favor. Just because someone like Ryda is poppin' for now.....doesn't mean their name will last. Cortez has gone thru some eras now and battled on different platforms and had at least one memorable moment.

 

[cornercommission2k12]

It's crazy the biased hate guys like jc get. It's like old lions den fans get offended whenever a battle rapper puts in the work and begins gaining enough momentum to place they names as challengers to these old vets you all hold in heaven

What's crazy is how, some battle rap fans harp more and penalize the newer rappers for close debatable losses, then get selective amnesia on the clear body bags there beloved legends got thrown in. Even if you want to forever harp ok jc losing to tay roc, can you at least be honest and admit it was debatable enough to create on of the most competitive back and forth discussions we ever had on a battle? Now people are turning what was once debatable to a clear win for roc , (disingenuous) but overlook lux getting washed, destroyed by a Mook saying your more hypocritical than a dying hippopotamus. But nobody wants to hold a clear thrashing against lux. Yet jump on all the newer battle rappers for debatable or close losses.

Even if you have jc losing to Yung ill tay roc, can you admit it wasn't a body bag? Lux got body bagged! But he receives no stain on himself for such a bad showing. You still got guys who want to talk about hollow losing to arsonol. People are just biased sometimes smh

 

[Phillyrider807]

It's crazy the biased hate guys like jc get. It's like old lions den fans get offended whenever a battle rapper puts in the work and begins gaining enough momentum to place they names as challengers to these old vets you all hold in heaven

What's crazy is how, some battle rap fans harp more and penalize the newer rappers for close debatable losses, then get selective amnesia on the clear body bags there beloved legends got thrown in. Even if you want to forever harp ok jc losing to tay roc, can you at least be honest and admit it was debatable enough to create on of the most competitive back and forth discussions we ever had on a battle? Now people are turning what was once debatable to a clear win for roc , (disingenuous) but overlook lux getting washed, destroyed by a Mook saying your more hypocritical than a dying hippopotamus. But nobody wants to hold a clear thrashing against lux. Yet jump on all the newer battle rappers for debatable or close losses.

Even if you have jc losing to Yung ill tay roc, can you admit it wasn't a body bag? Lux got body bagged! But he receives no stain on himself for such a bad showing. You still got guys who want to talk about hollow losing to arsonol. People are just biased sometimes smh

All of this falls on deaf ears when u realize you putting JC in the same category as Mook and Lux.

JC is still mid tier 6 years later.

 

[cornercommission2k12]

All of this falls on deaf ears when u realize you putting JC in the same category as Mook and Lux.

JC is still mid tier 6 years later.

So if your "mid tier" it's ok for fans to be biased towards you?

And if your considered a legend it's ok to ignore the times you got bodybagged?

Good to know

 

[Ardamus]

So if your "mid tier" it's ok for fans to be biased towards you?

And if your considered a legend it's ok to ignore the times you got bodybagged?

Good to know

battle rap is backwards like that. lose and get bigger battles. win and not get shyt.

 

[Phillyrider807]

So if your "mid tier" it's ok for fans to be biased towards you?

And if your considered a legend it's ok to ignore the times you got bodybagged?

Good to know

No you have a point about being biased. That i agree with. Still it don't matter what JC did. He should never be int he same category as Mook and Lux.


The fact that JC beating Trez somehow makes fan thinks he deserves a shot at Lux seems to be more biased to JC then anyone else.

 

[cornercommission2k12]

No you have a point about being biased. That i agree with. Still it don't matter what JC did. He should never be int he same category as Mook and Lux.


The fact that JC beating Trez somehow makes fan thinks he deserves a shot at Lux seems to be more biased to JC then anyone else.

I have pointed out jc vs lux is intriguing and hasn't mentioned him beating trez once. I have always looked at full body of work. Just as lux is a legend not because he only beat clips, but his full body of work.

Mook and Lux are in category mostly due to circumstances that we can't change. They had the privilege to be on old smack and lions den. Fans immediately exalt many who came through those medias. Especially if they are from ny. Jc didn't have that privilege.

So when we throwing names out there to contend with the lux and mook types, we not talking about guys who just got here yesterday, these are guys who been pretty damn good, for a pretty damn long time.

 

[wizworld]

It's crazy the biased hate guys like jc get. It's like old lions den fans get offended whenever a battle rapper puts in the work and begins gaining enough momentum to place they names as challengers to these old vets you all hold in heaven

What's crazy is how, some battle rap fans harp more and penalize the newer rappers for close debatable losses, then get selective amnesia on the clear body bags there beloved legends got thrown in. Even if you want to forever harp ok jc losing to tay roc, can you at least be honest and admit it was debatable enough to create on of the most competitive back and forth discussions we ever had on a battle? Now people are turning what was once debatable to a clear win for roc , (disingenuous) but overlook lux getting washed, destroyed by a Mook saying your more hypocritical than a dying hippopotamus. But nobody wants to hold a clear thrashing against lux. Yet jump on all the newer battle rappers for debatable or close losses.

Even if you have jc losing to Yung ill tay roc, can you admit it wasn't a body bag? Lux got body bagged! But he receives no stain on himself for such a bad showing. You still got guys who want to talk about hollow losing to arsonol. People are just biased sometimes smh

I don't think anybody has forgotten about Lux getting bagged by Mook. There's just not much to talk about, so the discussions don't drag on forever. Just like no one has forgotten about Iron getting bagged by Mook, there's just not much to discuss.

No one talks about JC getting bodied by 100 Bulletz, because there's not much to talk about. It was a bad loss, but it just wasn't that interesting of a battle. You're going on like JC is being oppressed in here or something, it's just not the case.

One guy got bodied by Murda Mook, who is arguably the best battler alive. The other guy got bodied by 100 Bulletz. And you wonder why the guy who lost to Mook is being held in higher regard?

 

[MJ Truth]

Won't have to pay him 40k. Could probably get away with giving him 10k. Which would be a leagues dream. Whereas if you trying to do a lux vs let's say hitman, you would have to come with about 30k for hitman or someone on that level.

3K is more like it.

The dividends would come back better for a Hitman or whoever else (Goodz, Daylyt, Verb, etc) you'd put Lux in there with, unless the league just assumes Lux's name is going to carry the whole battle, because people aren't really checking for JC like that. Not sure what Lux would really gain from battling JC from a macro perspective.

 

[ReasonableMatic]

The problem is, JC dropped the ball whenever he faced top competition.
When he gave us that Top5 battle of all time with JC vs Chilla and bodybagged Timebomb, nikkas put him on a pedestal and we're ready to put him amongst the "toptiers at that time" (I'll get to that group later in the post)

He only needed that ONE big battle vs top comp to get it.
But he failed.

To put it in perspective
When Hitman faced Arsonal, he BODIED that nikka. Even rewatching is
When Surf and Conceited faced eachother they gave us a classic
When Roc faced B Magic (both in they prime), they gave us a classic
When Red faced Rex, he bodied him
When Rex faced Ill, they gave us a classic
When Verb faced Hitman, they gave us a classic
When Clips faced Verb, he bodied him
When Mook faced Serius, the gave us a classic
When Lux faced Hollow, they gave us a classic
When Calicoe faced Math, he bodied him

I can go on but y'all get the point.
All of them have that one big battle vs Top competition nikkas can look at and be like
"yeah.. that's a whole nother stamp on your resume"

Meanwhile, JC didn't really give the fans that battle to put up against those battles.

He has an amazing resume. I don't think nikkas can take that away from him.

BUT, it still stands.. He has never givin us THAT battle

So with that being said.
It's not weird for nikkas to not accept him amongst them nikkas
Especially Lux, because he's the elite in that group of nikkas

 

[MJ Truth]

So if your "mid tier" it's ok for fans to be biased towards you?

And if your considered a legend it's ok to ignore the times you got bodybagged?

Good to know

What the hell are you even complaining about? No one has ever "ignored" how Mook killed Lux.

You're trying to throw JC in there with Lux, which is what is making you look silly, and then getting mad that people don't take it very seriously. It's not as though Lux would be JC's first top tier opponent, or big stage opportunity... he's failed a few times before when he gets his big chances. He always drops the ball. He even went overseas to choke against Arsonal, creating a bodybag for a legend who really doesn't even try anymore.

 

[Ardamus]

I tried to stay away from this JC getting Lux thing but I can't. JC is good but um.....nah.....let's not say he should get Lux just yet. Not that he isn't ready but let's face it, JC is just now getting back on URL and Lux will probably be taking Arsonal. Gotta let that shyt play out first and see how things shape up and then we may could get that. But now? Nah, let's not jump the gun here. I think Lux should battle more anyway but the shyt has to make sense, too.

 

[lyrical professor]

@cornercommission2k12

You might wanna sit this one out fam lol....your defense for Jc ain't holdin' up too well. The boy BEEN dope, but the fukk ups in his career outweigh his talent he like the James Harden of battle rap.

How can you argue that a lil nygga who drops the ball w/ every big opportunity deserves to go round for round w/arguably the best ever. Cause he can rap well??? Hell Danja Zone can rap very very well. Had the "glow" at one point an all that. You see where he at.

 

[Momentum]

I'm legit tryna get him or Prez Mafia next. most likely end up being Prez though

 

[Ronnie Lott]

The problem is, JC dropped the ball whenever he faced top competition.
When he gave us that Top5 battle of all time with JC vs Chilla and bodybagged Timebomb, nikkas put him on a pedestal and we're ready to put him amongst the "toptiers at that time" (I'll get to that group later in the post)

He only needed that ONE big battle vs top comp to get it.
But he failed.

To put it in perspective
When Hitman faced Arsonal, he BODIED that nikka. Even rewatching is
When Surf and Conceited faced eachother they gave us a classic
When Roc faced B Magic (both in they prime), they gave us a classic
When Red faced Rex, he bodied him
When Rex faced Ill, they gave us a classic
When Verb faced Hitman, they gave us a classic
When Clips faced Verb, he bodied him
When Mook faced Serius, the gave us a classic
When Lux faced Hollow, they gave us a classic
When Calicoe faced Math, he bodied him

I can go on but y'all get the point.
All of them have that one big battle vs Top competition nikkas can look at and be like
"yeah.. that's a whole nother stamp on your resume"

Meanwhile, JC didn't really give the fans that battle to put up against those battles.

He has an amazing resume. I don't think nikkas can take that away from him.

BUT, it still stands.. He has never givin us THAT battle

So with that being said.
It's not weird for nikkas to not accept him amongst them nikkas
Especially Lux, because he's the elite in that group of nikkas

And every last one of the battlers you named. I can name a big stage battle where they dropped the ball and gave us a trash/sub par performance