Essential The Official Boxing Random Thoughts Thread...All boxing heads ENTER.

[patscorpio]

Floyd's weight is 154, because he's the champion there breh.


Why hold the Junior Middleweight Championship, but not defend it against the other champions in the division? Either give up the belt or defend your belt.


Canelo Alvarez is a 154 Champion and is calling out the other 154 Champion.....I dont see a problem with that at all.


Especially since, once again, Floyd just fought there last year and is currently a title holder at 154.

this is the part why i failed to understand why ppl don't understand this...floyd is a 154 champ; canelo is a 154 champ..they are the 2 most well known fighters in that division...of course we want to see the fight..all this talk about floyd not looking good at 154 is whatever but he is a champ meaning as long as he holds that belt he has to defend against 154 champs/contenders...period..now my thoughts on the fight..if it does happen this year canelo will take that L no question

 

[HARLEM AL]

lol nikkas saying flloyd is a cha,pion at 154 so he should fight at 154.

fukking canelo had the belt for damn near 3 years and he just fought his first 154lber.

bottom line is we all want to see the fight. Reality is floyd is the man, he can do whatever the fukk he wants.

Also you nikkas think this Canelo fight is going to be competitive?

You think that fight is going to enhance Floyd legacy?

 

[Skip b]

lol nikkas saying flloyd is a cha,pion at 154 so he should fight at 154.

fukking canelo had the belt for damn near 3 years and he just fought his first 154lber.

bottom line is we all want to see the fight. Reality is floyd is the man, he can do whatever the fukk he wants.

Also you nikkas think this Canelo fight is going to be competitive?

You think that fight is going to enhance Floyd legacy?

Exactly...............


The fight wont be competitive, and Floyd will finish off what Trout started then people would but but but Canelo aint beat nobody and only fought one legit 154 pounder. Floyd is in a lose lose whatever he does, so they should sit back and let Canelo continue to build himself so when they do fight they both could make the most the can monetarily, shyt Canelo hasnt even had a PPV yet, if him and Cotto were to fight Cotto would be the draw............

 

[Skip b]

I fukking missed Mayorga's MMA debut, I heard he got a TKO and it was overturned later

 

[surv2syn]

this is the part why i failed to understand why ppl don't understand this...floyd is a 154 champ; canelo is a 154 champ..they are the 2 most well known fighters in that division...of course we want to see the fight..all this talk about floyd not looking good at 154 is whatever but he is a champ meaning as long as he holds that belt he has to defend against 154 champs/contenders...period..now my thoughts on the fight..if it does happen this year canelo will take that L no question

Lets talk about casual fans for a minute.

Cotto beats Foreman for the WBA belt. Cotto beats Mayorga for the WBB belt. (I am assuming this is why Cotto's fight with Margarito was for the WBA Super Belt?)

Cotto is now Super Champion after beating Margarito.

Floyd beats Cotto and is now Super Champ.

Cotto loses to Trout for WBA Belt. (which one???? didnt Cotto just lose his WBA belt? how did Trout get it? wait...Trout already had it? part of the confusion right there)

Canelo beats Trout for WBA Regular Belt.

The WBA has two champions. A mandatory for the WBA regular title was set last year to be enforced by Sept of 2013. It was supposed to be the winner of Lara-Martirosyan but now it will be Lara-Angulo.

No mandatory has been set for the WBA Super Title.

Meanwhile, Floyd just fulfilled his WBC Welterweight mandatory against Guerrero.

Its not up to the fighter to make the mandatories, bu the sanctioning bodies. The argument you make, Floyd is doing that at WW. The WBA has to enforce its mando. Anything else is just running off at the mouth.

From what I just explained, do you still ask "why ppl dont understand?" its confusing enough for us who follow boxing closely. What do you think about the casual? They dont even know, nor do they care that Floyd has a title at 154....in fact, Floyd didnt know he still had the title until recently. Whats even worse is that when Mendoza was pressed as to why the WBA had two champions his reply was "we will figure this out later".

How can anyone NOT be confused?

 

[surv2syn]

lol nikkas saying flloyd is a cha,pion at 154 so he should fight at 154.

fukking canelo had the belt for damn near 3 years and he just fought his first 154lber.

bottom line is we all want to see the fight. Reality is floyd is the man, he can do whatever the fukk he wants.

Also you nikkas think this Canelo fight is going to be competitive?

You think that fight is going to enhance Floyd legacy?

u hurt em with that one B. all the fighters Canelo fought damn near...fighting at 147 now...lol. Lopez, Gomez, Hatton, Ndou, even Cintron all last fights were at 147! and Mosley fight this weekend at 147 :mike:

 

[Black_Jesus]

this argument will never be settled. you will have people on both sides of the fence who wont budge. ultimately, no one will be proven right or wrong. what will happen is...someone will lose credibility as time passes by the actions they take. who will lose the most credibility? (hold on to that for a sec, we will return to that point.)

Q: who is Floyd to ask the #2 draw to concede to financial demands?
A: the #1 draw
easy answer and simple mathematics. without fighting Manny, Floyd is still the top paid athlete. No argument can change that.

How much someone gets paid and who is the top draw are two different things.. you must look at total revenue generated between the two camps...*Both Pac and Mayweather brought in close to $100 million in total revenue that year (2011) and pack did it twice.. the pac Margerito fight brought in about 70 million.. Floyd Ortiz brought in approx 87 million and Pac/marquez 3 brought in approx 89 million.. There's no way in hell Floyd could think he can make a fight with Pacquiao back in 2011 without splitting up that revenue

Q: who needs who more?
A: Manny needs Floyd more
another easy answer. Pac has lost, so its been proven he can be beaten....KOed even. he's lost 5 times and been KOed 3. with the doping allegations and his reluctance to take a test...Manny's legacy is far more in doubt than Floyd's.

When floyd made the 40 milliom take it or leave it demand Pac hadn't loss since he fought El Terrible the first time in back in 03 (I think) and hes avenged that loss twice... no they didn't need each other, but notice how Floyd has to fight 3 times to make what he coulda made with 1 pacquiao fight..

Q: Did Manny have a legitimate excuse for not agreeing to tests?
A: No. If you opponent will take the same exact test, there is no legitimate excuse, but lets say there was for the sake of argument...all of that now goes out the window because Pacquiao is now asking Rios to do it, in light of getting KOed by Memo's client JMM who Rio's is now a client of.

It goes out the window because Pac agreed to all Floyds tests right after Floyd fought Ortiz.... Whatever his excuse for not wanting to take umlimited random blood tests the first time is pretty moot.. especially since he agreed to the test in the 2011 negotiations and there is triple the amount of money at stake

Q: Who was King of the Hill post-DLH?
A: Floyd
another easy answer. the thing that matters the most when speaking in terms of leverage is who got to what point first. Floyd beat Oscar first. He was proclaimed P4P first. He has always been the biggest draw post-DLH. Again, I am only dealing with pure fact here, not speculation.

the PPV arguments pre-DLH are subjective as hell when discussing with people who :udontknow: and you cant take them for face value because Pac was fighting Mexican legends because they were in and around his weight class. Floyd had none at Welterweight, except for calling JMM up. 1 fight with JMM doesnt compare with 4 fights with JMM, 3 fights with Morales, and 1 fight with Barerra.

Floyd beat Oscar first?? So the fukk what... Shane Mosley beat Oscar before Floyd.. You know why?? Because they moved up in weight at two different times...

The pre de la hoya fights aren't subjective... It just shows who was the real draw im that fight... Matter of FACT.. both Floyds fights right before and right after he fought De La Hoya did under a million in PPV sales..FACT..And hatton had a huge following

Pacquiao BEATING (not just fighting) Mexican legends isn't what made him a draw.. what made him a draw was destroying De la hoya(regardless) if he was drained. ...destroying Hatton... destroying Cotto... dominating Clotty, Shane, and Margerito in that consecutive order, while out of all those fights only one did under a million and that was the one against no named Clottey.. okay Floyd was putting up around the same numbers but was way less active...

 

[Black_Jesus]

good post

at the end of the day, anyone who doesn't want to take random blood testing has something to hide in my opinion. There is literally no excuse for him not to take it. He was on steroids

also, pacquaio was a solid fighter before he came to welterweight but there's a lot of good fighters out there, he owes his superstar status to floyd. i've never seen one boxer piggyback off another boxer's name like that before in my life. He's a media creation. 90 percent of pacquaio fans dont even care if he's on steroids, they just want someonee, ANYONE to beat floyd. After pacquaio got knocked out it's like he went right back to pre oscar days. No one talks about him or cares bout him anymore. they've moved on to canelo

floyd knows arum's little games, he aint budging for that guy

At the end of the day Pacquiao has been agreed to do OSTD with Floydie wheather you choose to accept it or not... And a strong argument could be made for both fighters on who piggybacked off who's name...

The reason a lot of fans are pushing for a canelo fight is because we just want to see the best possible fight get made soon... not next year or two years down the line

 

[surv2syn]

boi I can blow wholes all through that post...

you just said the top draw and how much someone gets paid is two different things...then proceeded to give figures that FMJ made more than Pac yet Floyd only fought once. where u get that Pac vs Marg was in 2011?

"When floyd made the 40 milliom take it or leave it demand Pac hadn't loss since he fought El Terrible"

Floyd hadnt lost since.....well, the word lost doesnt seem to be coming up when I google FMJ, thats funny.

Margarito revenue was around $70 mil. Closer to $60 ($64 mil to be exact, you dont round off 64 to 70)

What is fact however is Mayweather generated close to $90 million ($87 mil was the correct number) in one fight.

Pac agreed to ALL TESTS, COMPLETELY RANDOM??? ok, here is what I am gonna need for you to do for me from here on out. :dkufdup: I am gonna need you to cite your sources. that shyt was damn near after the fact.

Mosley did beat DLH first, hence he was named P4P before Floyd or Pac. Hence he was a bigger draw than both. So you just proved my point. The issue is Mosely has been losing since, as has Manny, but not Floyd. Yet, he still is the highest paid ATHLETE..not just boxer.

:dkufdup: then you have the audacity to turn around and say that Pac became a draw because he beat a DLH??? after you just asked "so what if Floyd beat Oscar first?"

the ONLY REASON he was gaining more notoriety for those fights against Hatton and DLH is because people were comparing them to their fights with Floyd.

this is fact....DLH vs Floyd was an intriguing matchup that a lot of people thought DLH would win. the Pac fight was fukkin fool's gold if I ever seen it. I can call on several witnesses that will tell you when everyone was saying DLH was bigger, stronger, and had one-punch KO power and he was gonna beat Manny...they looked at me like I was crazy because I stated that "DLH has virtually no chance of winning this fight"

 

[surv2syn]

took this joker 3 years to agree to OSDT. foh. after he had done caught the holy ghost and realizing that Cotto fight was last fight under HBO contract. foh.

a lot of people have the theory that since Manny found Jesus he didnt want to partake in juicing anymore and that was the reason for his subsequent KTFO from JMM.

now, a man is innocent until proven guilty in my eyes...but you dont think that timeline of him getting saved along with the KO, and now him requesting testing for Rios fight isnt in the slightest bit suspicious?

takes you 3 years to agree to drug testing???

 

[surv2syn]

yeah, Floyd a funny dude for asking Canelo to come to 147...but

"Martinez, who sports an elaborate dragon tattoo on his left bicep, said Pacquaio's people had told him he would have to agree to slim down to 147 pounds (66.7 kilos) and limit his weight to 150 pounds for the actual bout."

:dkufdup: yall nikkas didnt have a problem with this shyt though....

:putamadre:

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[ChocolateGiddyUp]

I like how when discussing the Floyd fight the amount it would make jumps from $100 million to $150 million to $200 million to $1 billion dollars

nikkas act like gets $40 million N Floyd pockets $160 million Pac goin sit on his ass N 40 million... while Floyd gotta pay errybody else wit they hand in the pot GBP Mayweather promotions HBO N errybody else

Floyd said on Bob Cost he can't accept nothing less then 100% PPV yet Cotto gets some PPV the article I posted from Feb '12 said Floyd didn't even discuss the back end wit Pac.... Is it hard to believe that Team came up wit their counter offer, Floyd seent that shyt told them fukk off N that was that??

As far as Canelo goes errybody N they mothers know Cotto is next for him...GBP goin use the Floyd is ducking the young champ angle the fight will be at 154...its obvious af....by May 2014 that fight is a mega fight N gets made....Canelo would have no money fights left GBP would wanna cash him out

 

[surv2syn]

just a random blurt....

and I want to see a show of hands...

if your wife/gf/s.o. asked u one day..."lemme smell your dikk" (as childish as that is) how many of you would say....

"I dont have shyt to prove to you"

and how many of you would say

"sure, sniff away. I have nothing to hide"

just curious.

 

[surv2syn]

Undefeated lightweight contender Darley Perez (28-0, 19 KOs) has signed on to fight explosive Cuban superstar Yuriorkis Gamboa (22-0, 16 KOs) in the co-feature of an HBO telecast taking place on June 8th, live from the Bell Centre in Montreal, Canada. The main event that evening will be a light heavyweight title tilt between Chad Dawson and Adonis Stevenson. Perez vs. Gamboa is a strong addition to an already stellar night of boxing.

Darley Perez is promoted by Gary Shaw Productions and Thompson Boxing Promotions, while Yuriorkis Gamboa is promoted by 50 Cents’ SMS Promotions.

Perez is battletested but Gamboa will be his toughest test to date. A win could put either fighter in line for a major opportunity. Perez knows what is on the line and welcomes the challenge.

For Perez, he feels this step up in competition is coming at the perfect time in his career and he has been ready for this kind of test for quite some time.

“I wouldn’t dare take Gamboa lightly, I’ll train hard for a tough fight and he’d be well-advised to do the same because I’m a top fighter. I will prove to everyone that I am a world-class fighter and the rest of the world will figure out what I already know after June 8th,” said Perez.

Gamboa, with his aggressive style, has emerged as one of the best fighters to defect from Cuba. He’ll look to continue his winning ways on fight night.

“I keep looking to prove my worth and will now do so in trying to win a 4th world title in a third weight class, the lightweight division,” Gamboa said. “I like challenging myself. June 8th I plan on showing my best yet again.”

Gary Shaw, Perez’s co-promoter, knows how ready his fighter is for this opportunity and is also aware of the fact that a win for Perez would be considered a significant upset. However, he thinks that if people were educated enough on Perez’s ability then they wouldn’t see it as that shocking an outcome.

“You have to understand that we’ve been waiting on an opportunity like this for Perez to make his mark. Some may feel like it is Darley’s chance to pull off the shocking upset, but I see it as more of a coming out party. We’ve had him caged in waiting for the chance to unleash the beast and we could’ve pulled the trigger a couple fights back and then the world would be aware of his chances in this fight. But because we knew that an opportunity like this was only a matter of time we waited and now he will show he’s been a top contender all along,” Shaw said.

“The fight on June 8th between Yuriorkis Gamboa and Darley Perez is going to be very exciting.” said Curtis Jackson (AKA 50 Cent). “Gamboa has been training really hard and his fighting style is aggressive while Perez showcases a calmer demeanor in the ring which will make for a very competitive showing.

Alex Camponovo, general manager of Thompson Boxing Promotions said, “Darley Perez is not a simple opponent, he has the necessary tools to back up his undefeated record and he will be ready to fight a guy like Gamboa. We are excited to get him this opportunity and we trust in his ability.”

this....is a good card.

Boxing News | Unbeatens Collide: Yuriorkas Gamboa vs. Darly Perez in June 8 Dawson-Stevenson co-feature

 

[seemorecizzy]

its not just piggybacking off of Floyd, he was also in the rare position of being able to face the 3 best Mexican fighters of this era.....for a total of 8 fights!!! I have backed up my statements by using regional Netflix programming, proving what is popular in Mexico. ODLH is not even a huge Mexican draw or all of his fights would be broadcast. The only fight he has being broadcast there is not even because of him but his opponent. JCC.

you can even throw Margarito into that equation as he is a huge Mexican draw. His fight with Mosley was huge for Mexicans and it also appears on Netflix Mexico!

You guys have no idea what kind of impact Mexican fans have on boxing. Think about this. JCCjr purse was twice as much as Martinez and Canelo has already had about 3 fights in which he made over $1 million.

mexicans care regardless
i'm talking about that tebow like pacquaio hype that was going on in the media that turned him into a celebrity
if ppl didn't think he had a chance against floyd and arum didn't keep matching him up with floyd's left overs and mentioning his name every 5 minutes, no one would care about pacquaio on THAT level

mayweather still doing a million plus buys and is considered the best boxer in the world while pacquaio fighting in instanbul and shyt