The one claim about Kobe that I never understood was....

[Swagnificent]

im not defending these metrics as the end all be all. just wondering why would you completely disregard them (biased much). wouldnt most logical people use every metric and stat at your disposal to help formulate an opinion of what they see on the court? sure, logical people would. kobestan isnt logical though. you shyt on the guy using win shares and PER as a counterpoint to your opinion, and came back with a buttcheeks "eye test" argument. thats seriously all you could come up with to back up your point? i havent even stated where i fall on that opinion (he wasnt the best for 4 years, but he has been the best in a season). if the "eye test" is all you can come up with for validating your point, then there must not be much there behind your opinion

eye test >>> any other metric

numbers are subject to too many factors for them to be the deciding factor

not saying stats ain't relevant...I don't watch many teams or players play so stats are good to have for that......however when it comes to marquee players and teams I watch them enough to be able to determine who I think is better based on the eye test

that is why I think Melo is better than Durant eventhough all the stats say otherwise

its why I think Westbrook is better than CP3

its why I think Dwight Howard is NOT a superstar, etc.

there are many opinions I believe to be 100% true that are largely determined using the eye test

 

[Absolut]

Why would you need metrics to formulate an opinion of what you see? Tim Duncan is the best PF ever, I didn't need any formula for that other than seeing him play and comparing his resume to other PFs.

so, what on kobes resume says he was the best player in the league for a 4 year stretch? thats what im getting at here. none of you clowns can formulate an argument based on anything of merit, which makes the threadstarters claim look like ass from the jump.

 

[Swagnificent]

I'll just put it this way. If I watch a game, I don't go to the stat sheet afterwards to tell me who played well and who didn't. Just by watching the game, you should be able to tell who performed, who didn't, and what factors were at play. How many times you watched a game then looked at the stat sheet afterwards looking at it like

If you don't watch the game then looking at the stat sheet is useful to get a general idea of what happened. But its never sufficient to watching the games.

 

[Absolut]

I'll just put it this way. If I watch a game, I don't go to the stat sheet afterwards to tell me who played well and who didn't. Just by watching the game, you should be able to tell who performed, who didn't, and what factors were at play. How many times you watched a game then looked at the stat sheet afterwards looking at it like

If you don't watch the game then looking at the stat sheet is useful to get a general idea of what happened. But its never sufficient to watching the games.

can you not watch the game AND look at statistics? why is watching a game and ignoring everything else a better way to analyze the game then watching the game and combing over everything else at your disposal? thats moronic

 

[Swagnificent]

so, what on kobes resume says he was the best player in the league for a 4 year stretch? thats what im getting at here. none of you clowns can formulate an argument based on anything of merit, which makes the threadstarters claim look like ass from the jump.

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from the 05/06 season till the 08/09 season he was universally accepted by his peers and coaches as the best player in the world

now tell me why all these players, coaches, and GMs are wrong but you and your advanced stats are right?

 

[Swagnificent]

can you not watch the game AND look at statistics? why is watching a game and ignoring everything else a better way to analyze the game then watching the game and combing over everything else at your disposal? thats moronic

because after watching the game I know who played well and who didn't

I don't need to look at the stat sheet to know LeBron was incredible in game 5. I don't need to look at the stat sheet to know Hibbert has been eating up the Heat.

I really only look at stats of teams and players I don't usually watch play.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

so, what on kobes resume says he was the best player in the league for a 4 year stretch? thats what im getting at here. none of you clowns can formulate an argument based on anything of merit, which makes the threadstarters claim look like ass from the jump.

We're not talking about resume, at least I'm not. I'm saying strictly as an individual talent. LeBron isn't outscoring the Finals runner up Dallas Mavericks by himself, Tim Duncan isn't scoring 81 points on anyone, I don't got KD even stringing two 50+ pt games in a row, Kobe's issues have always been matters of circumstance. In his peak years he didn't have a contender around him, when he was on the opposite end of his prime years is when he had a team around him and he still won 2/3.

I'm not gonna speak in hypotheticals all I'm gonna say is when you provide Kobe with good complimentary players the track record speaks for itself and I'd say that comes from his individual talent and the impact it has on the game for both his teammates and opponents. When he's on, no one can fukk with him. I don't need some wild ass equation for that, if you've been watching the games you'd know what I'm talking about.

 

[Goat poster]

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from the 05/06 season till the 08/09 season he was universally accepted by his peers and coaches as the best player in the world

now tell me why all these players, coaches, and GMs are wrong but you and your advanced stats are right?

the fact that somebody took the time put that bullshyt together....

Which one of you fakkits youtube channel is that?

 

[Swagnificent]

are there people who actually let the stat sheet change their opinion of the game after watching it?

thats what I don't get with all these nikkas saying what about the stats? fukk the stats. I saw Bron do that work. I don't need to see the 30-7-6 stat line afterwards to go ohh Bron played well. Same reason I know Wade is playing like shyt. I don't need to see the stat sheet to know that.

Only things I look at in the stat sheet for games I watched are team stats. Things like rebounding margin, free throws, turnovers. Those are things that are tough to guage while watching the game unless the disparity is huge. Its not hard to follow personal stats however.

 

[Absolut]

because after watching the game I know who played well and who didn't

I don't need to look at the stat sheet to know LeBron was incredible in game 5. I don't need to look at the stat sheet to know Hibbert has been eating up the Heat.

I really only look at stats of teams and players I don't usually watch play.

so basically youre saying your basketball analysis is ass. good to know

 

[Propaganda]

okay, new rule.

kobe stans talking about "we don't need stats to see what's going on" can no longer reference kobe bryant's numbers. i mean, ever.

don't talk about the 81, don't talk about the 63 in 3 quarters, don't talk about the titles, the 50 point games, the all-d teams, etc... anything quantifiable that you try to use as ammo. that's over with. you've revoked your own license to bring that up.

it's all about "the eye test".

remember that.

 

[Swagnificent]

the fact that somebody took the time put that bullshyt together....

Which one of you fakkits youtube channel is that?

its not hard considering back in 05-08 almost every time the Lakers played everyone mentioned how Kobe was the best player in the world

the same way all the media and coaches and players are saying Bron is the best, they were saying that about Kobe

I watched every Lakers game and there was rarely a game when the opposing coach didn't mention the fact his team was playing the best player in the world.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

lmao, nikkaz need stats and forumlas just to make opinions now? Ole math club ass nikkaz....

 

[verbaltelekinesis]

im not defending these metrics as the end all be all. just wondering why would you completely disregard them (biased much). wouldnt most logical people use every metric and stat at your disposal to help formulate an opinion of what they see on the court? sure, logical people would. kobestan isnt logical though. you shyt on the guy using win shares and PER as a counterpoint to your opinion, and came back with a buttcheeks "eye test" argument. thats seriously all you could come up with to back up your point? i havent even stated where i fall on that opinion (he wasnt the best for 4 years, but he has been the best in a season). if the "eye test" is all you can come up with for validating your point, then there must not be much there behind your opinion

It's ALL I NEED!!! As I said, most people associated with the NBA(players, coaches, executives etc...) readily acknowledge that Kobe was the best in the league for some time and certainly more than a season or two. When he is consistently making all NBA 1st team and all NBA 1st team defense. When he's destroying teams to the tune of 65 in a gmae, 81 in a game, a streak of 30 or more points 10 consecutive games and 50 or more points 4 consecutive games. I didn't need PER to tell me that he was basketball at a level FAR superior to anybody else in the league. He was doing whatever the hell he wanted on the court. He wins the league MVP in 08, gets to the Finals(loses). In 2009 - 2010 he 6 gamewinners in one season. He wins 2 championships in 2009 and 2010. Oh and then there was his play in the gold medal game in 2008.

And then there is this...


2009

And this...


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But what the hell do they know, they only play the game for a living and WATCH him play.

 

[Absolut]

so, you watched every lakers game. did you watch every tim duncan game? every dirk game? every kg game? how did you take what you saw from kobe and compare him to his peers if you didnt watch all their games? how can you "eye test" something if you didnt see it/