The one claim about Kobe that I never understood was....

[Swagnificent]

I love Amare's reaction here Comments on Kobe Bryant Vol. 1 - YouTube

he's offended that Outlaw had the nerve to question whether Kobe is the best or not

for the haters this was in 2005 when the Lakers didn't even make the playoffs and yet Kobe's peers recognized he was the best

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

okay, new rule.

kobe stans talking about "we don't need stats to see what's going on" can no longer reference kobe bryant's numbers. i mean, ever.

don't talk about the 81, don't talk about the 63 in 3 quarters, don't talk about the titles, the 50 point games, the all-d teams, etc... anything quantifiable that you try to use as ammo. that's over with. you've revoked your own license to bring that up.

it's all about "the eye test".

remember that.

1. Shut the fukk up you fake ass bill maher

2. We'll talk about whatever the fukk we feel like.

3. New rule, go fukk yourself.

 

[ROFL_GUY]

2007 NBA FINALS SPURS(4-0)


2007 NBA Finals Composite Box Score | Basketball-Reference.com

Bron 22.0, 7.0reb 6.8asst

2011 NBA FINALS MAVERICKS (4-2)

2011 NBA Finals Composite Box Score | Basketball-Reference.com

Best PLayer -- WADE 26.5, 7.0reb 5.2 asst


toss up between who was the 2nd best player between Bron and Bosh


Bron 17.8, 7.2reb 6.8asst

BOSH 18.5, 7.3 reb 1.0asst

Chalmers avg 11.8 2.7reb 3.5 asst





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[Swagnificent]

lmao, nikkaz need stats and forumlas just to make opinions now? Ole math club ass nikkaz....

I know. WTF is going on with these nikkas. Its almost like they'd rather just look at the stat feed on ESPN rather than watch the actual game. Do these nikkas keep track of their fg% when playing at the park?

I don't even remember nikkas mentioning stats back in high school when we were arguing who was better Kobe/AI/T-Mac/Vince. nikkas actually based their opinions on how they played rather than who was averaging what. These new age nikkas are pathetic.

 

[Absolut]

It's ALL I NEED!!! When he's destroying teams to the tune of 65 in a gmae, 81 in a game, a streak of 30 or more points 10 consecutive games and 50 or more points 4 consecutive games.

so points per game and arbitrary scoring streaks are your definition of best in the league? i guess you should have stuck with the eye test

 

[Lefty Gunz]

The insecurity

 

[p00rky]

swept and avg 22, 7, 7,



bronze stans confuse best regular season stats with best player


i wont argu with you that he didnt have the best regualr season stats becasue i guess he did if you look at the numbers



but is that what makes you the best player in the nba? thats the real question..


then in 011 he avg 18,7,7 in the finals... same year during the regualr season he avg 27,7,7,


i will give you last year that he was the best player in the nba since he delivered in the PO FINALLY... and was able to maintain his season avg numbers through out the PO unlike previous efforts


like i said hes had the best regualr season stats over that time period but is that what makes you the best player in the nba?




also from 05-present how many teams with over 50 wins has bron neat in the PO?

Of course they were swept. The team sucked. Yet he still took them to the finals by himself. Who was the 2nd and 3rd option on that team?

 

[ROFL_GUY]

again so bronze stans agree that having the best REGULAR SEASON STATS made him the best player from 05-present which is BS

which is funny they put soo much stock into stats...

but when he played hi most IMPORTANT GAMES in his LIFE.. in the finals all his STATS FELL WAY THE fukk OFF...




2007 NBA FINALS SPURS(4-0)
2007 NBA Finals Composite Box Score | Basketball-Reference.com

Bron 22.0, 7.0reb 6.8asst

2011 NBA FINALS MAVERICKS (4-2)

2011 NBA Finals Composite Box Score | Basketball-Reference.com

Best PLayer -- WADE 26.5, 7.0reb 5.2 asst


toss up between who was the 2nd best player between Bron and Bosh


Bron 17.8, 7.2reb 6.8asst

so again the only way you could agrue bronze was the best player during that time frame was to say that regualr season stats are more important than PO and finals production which is



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[ROFL_GUY]

Of course they were swept. The team sucked. Yet he still took them to the finals by himself. Who was the 2nd and 3rd option on that team?

so why did he avg 22,7,7 in the finals? when he avg what 28,8,8, in the reular season? did his teammates change from the regualr season to the PO?

so regular season stats are more important than finals and playoff production?



thats your argument?

 

[verbaltelekinesis]

so points per game and arbitrary scoring streaks are your definition of best in the league? i guess you should have stuck with the eye test

Did you really just quote me and chop up my paragraph to make it seem like that was the only thing I said? How old are you? What adult does that? You really are going to ignore everything else in that paragraph and confront me with this like it's the only thing I said?

You know what, you got it. I don't have disscussions that way, you win! I obviously made the mistake of thinking I was having an adult conversation.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

I know. WTF is going on with these nikkas. Its almost like they'd rather just look at the stat feed on ESPN rather than watch the actual game. Do these nikkas keep track of their fg% when playing at the park?

I don't even remember nikkas mentioning stats back in high school when we were arguing who was better Kobe/AI/T-Mac/Vince. nikkas actually based their opinions on how they played rather than who was averaging what. These new age nikkas are pathetic.

Man what, arguments back in the day was all about what that nikka was doin on the court. T-Mac or AI coulda been puttin up more points but they ain't play the defense Kobe did, thats just a slight example of them back in the day arguments.

This shyt tho is the final line of defense to belittle Kobe's legacy. Fake ass geek stats like per just so they can try to switch the narrative. nikkaz in here sayin Kobe wasn't the best player in the league for a period of time and you had his own peers saying so, but I'm sure they don't got the math skills for these wild ass formulas and theorems nikkaz using to compare players now. At the end of the day Kobe stans are being sarcastic about the whole God/gawd thing, but yall legitimately hate a man when he did nothing to you. Angry cacs and the nikkaz programmed by them, yall sick as shyt.

 

[Swagnificent]

so, you watched every lakers game. did you watch every tim duncan game? every dirk game? every kg game? how did you take what you saw from kobe and compare him to his peers if you didnt watch all their games? how can you "eye test" something if you didnt see it/

I watch every playoff game which largely determines for me how the players across the league stack up. Only team I watch play every night during the regular season is the Lakers. I also watch most of the games on TNT and ESPN when the other marquee teams are playing.

Playoffs are where I learn which players to respect and which to not. It was because of how he played in the playoffs in 02 and 03 that I learned to respect Duncan as much better than Garnett. Although Garnett was the player I liked more and thought was better for a while, the playoffs showed me he wasn't Duncan.

Playoffs are also where I learned to have great respect for guys like CP3 and Melo when I didn't think they were that good. CP3 put that work in 2008. And Melo likewise in 2009.

Playoffs are also where I lose respect for some dudes. Like KG went down several notches because of his sub-par playoff performances in the past. Same with LeBron until 2012.

This years post-season made me recognize that Stephen Curry was legit top 10 player when I didn't think he was most of the season. The post-season also validated for me why I thought Durant was being overrated when people said he was the second best player in the league. And so on.

Playoffs are where names are made. Regular season is just the grind.

 

[vegetarybrownrice]

i love how the criteria changes for being the best player. in 05-07 - "35 ppg kobe isnt the best cuz he's not winning." in 08-10 - "kobe isnt better because lebron is putting up better stats."


plus lebron even said it himself that kobe was better in '09

 

[Stealth]

It's ALL
And then there is this...



But what the hell do they know, they only play the game for a living and WATCH him play.

ayo how do you become a lakers fan in texas?

at LA bandwagoners like yourself. Protecting kobe like he's your son or some shxt

 

[Da_Eggman]

pretty close more like

96-98 Jordan
99-02 Shaq
03-05 Duncan?Garnet
06-present Lebron


the two best ways to judge a players impact is Player Efficiency Rating (PER) and Win Shares (WS)

the stats cant be argued there all there for anybody to see

2012-13 NBA LeBron James 31.59 MIA
2011-12 NBA LeBron James 30.74 MIA
2010-11 NBA LeBron James 27.27 MIA
2009-10 NBA LeBron James 31.11 CLE
2008-09 NBA LeBron James 31.67 CLE
2007-08 NBA LeBron James 29.14 CLE
2006-07 NBA Dwyane Wade 28.91 MIA
2005-06 NBA Dirk Nowitzki 28.06 DAL
2004-05 NBA Kevin Garnett 28.20 MIN
2003-04 NBA Kevin Garnett 29.44 MIN
2002-03 NBA Tracy McGrady 30.27 ORL
2001-02 NBA Shaquille O'Neal 29.68 LAL
2000-01 NBA Shaquille O'Neal 30.23 LAL
1999-00 NBA Shaquille O'Neal 30.65 LAL
1998-99 NBA Shaquille O'Neal 30.55 LAL
1997-98 NBA Shaquille O'Neal 28.79 LAL

Season Lg Player WS Tm
2012-13 NBA LeBron James 19.30 MIA
2011-12 NBA LeBron James 14.45 MIA
2010-11 NBA LeBron James 15.58 MIA
2009-10 NBA LeBron James 18.46 CLE
2008-09 NBA LeBron James 20.25 CLE
2007-08 NBA Chris Paul 17.79 NOH
2006-07 NBA Dirk Nowitzki 16.34 DAL
2005-06 NBA Dirk Nowitzki 17.72 DAL
2004-05 NBA Kevin Garnett 16.11 MIN
2003-04 NBA Kevin Garnett 18.33 MIN
2002-03 NBA Tim Duncan 16.45 SAS
2001-02 NBA Tim Duncan 17.81 SAS
2000-01 NBA Shaquille O'Neal 14.94 LAL
1999-00 NBA Shaquille O'Neal 18.65 LAL


Kobe NEVER led the league in either one pretty much the only so called top player to never lead in even one year

Chamberlain, Shaq. Kareem, Bird. Jordan, Lebron all did it in MULTIPLE years

once again Kobe NEVER EVER DID

not even once

here is your eye test....if you eyes than you can clearly see this